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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:29 AM
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The Next Katharine Harris?

Give Steny Hoyer some credit. The Democratic Whip in the House is looking past any October surprise to the post-election period when Republicans may employ a whole range of strategies to hold on to their House majority regardless of the voters' verdict on November 8.

Hoyer recently wrote a letter to Republican Vernon Ehlers, chairman of the usually obscure House Administration Committee, voicing concerns about the possiblity of contested House elections:

With many House races expected to be very close this November, there is the real possibility that recounts will occur in several congressional districts, with some outcomes being challenged under the Federal Contested Election Act (P.L. 91-138, 83 Stat. 284). I am deeply concerned that ambiguities and deficiencies in this statute may prolong rather than facilitate the resolution of contested elections by the Committee on House Administration unless the Committee acts now, in a non-partisan and collaborative manner, to develop a set of clear protocols for managing any contest or contests that the Committee faces in November.

At least one Democrat has learned the lesson of Bush v. Gore: losing an election doesn't stop this band of Republicans from trying to take the office anyway.

In this case, it's not the Oval Office but the Speaker of the House that will be the prize, and if Hoyer and the political pundits are right, whether the House is controlled by Republicans or Democrats after January 3 is likely to turn on a few House contests with close outcomes.

Here's how it works. Each state is responsible for certifying the Congressional winners to the U. S. House of Representatives. In many cases, the ultimate state authority will be a Secretary of State, the office that Katharine Harris held in Florida in 2000. Depending on a particular state's law, a Governor, state courts or a state legislature may have a role as well.

But that's where the similarity to the 2000 Presidential election nightmare ends. Article I of the U. S. Constitution provides that Congress itself--not the federal courts--will have ultimate authority to determine who is qualified to sit as a Representative. Dozens of House elections have been contested through the past two centuries, and in each case, it was the House itself that decided the outcome, sometimes reversing the decision of state authorities as happened in 1985 when Democrat Frank McCloskey was awarded the Indiana 8th Disrict seat over Republican Rick McIntyre who had been certified as the winner by Indiana authorities.

The McCloskey/McIntyre contest prompted a dramatic Republican walkout, but that was nothing compared to the hullabaloo that will result from election contests that will actually determine the Speakership and committee chairmanships. The best precedent for such a situation arose when it came time to seat the 26th Congress in 1839. The House was closely divided between Democrats and Whigs, and the balance of power would be determined by the outcome of five contested New Jersey seats.

As is still the case, the House convened under the chairmanship of the Clerk of the previous House. Clerk Hugh Garland, a Whig, realized that if the five Democrats who had been certified as winners by one branch of the New Jersey state government were not allowed to vote, then a Whig would be elected Speaker. Claiming that he had no power to rule on the disputed seats, Garland passed over the New Jersey five during the roll call. The Democrats objected, and the House was paralyzed for two weeks until a compromise was reached that seated the New Jersey Democrats but elected a Whig as Speaker.

How will it work in November? Candidates determined to have lost according to state authorities can file a notice of contest with the current Clerk of the House. This initiates a process of response and discovery conducted under the superivison of the House Administration Committee which eventually makes a recommendation to the full House as to which candidate to seat.

Before things ever get to that point, however, the House must meet in January to elect a Speaker. Until the Speaker is chosen, it is the current Clerk of the House, Hastert protegee Karen Haas , who issues credentials (the electronic voting card), calls the roll and rules on who can vote for Speaker under 2 U. S. C. Section 26. Ms. Haas, currently being mentioned in connection with the page scandal because she is the designated supervisor of the pages, will find herself in the pivotal position of determining who can and cannot vote to elect a Speaker when a few votes either way could determine the outcome.

Such a scenario could make the 26th Congress and even the 2000 Presidential election seem orderly by comparison. Republicans can be expected to contest at least enough Democratic wins to keep the Speakership in doubt. Meanwhile, they will be pressuring, cajoling and bribing some of the thirty-plus conservative "blue dog" Democrats to switch sides.

The Republicans, like Democrat Hoyer, are anticipating that the situation will be very fluid after November 8 and are refusing to commit themselves even as to when they will hold their post-election organizational meeting in Washington. Republican pundits like John Fund are already preparing the ground for their strategy to keep control by means of litigation if necessary.

If Democrats do manage to come out as "apparent" winners with a few more seats than the 218 needed to elect a Speaker, then the battle will have just begun.

And in the middle will be House Clerk Karen Haas, groomed by Denny Hastert for just such a moment.


Ezekiel left the U. S. for Europe in 2005 and now runs a website with information for people considering emigration.

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:42 AM
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1. K&R
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 09:30 AM
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25. A brief on the law in this area is linked here
Note the daschle cases for example, although state courts may not have ultimate say IF the house has a contest matter, they have concurrent powers.

To assert that the House of Reps is the only place to challenge at all is to assert that citizens have no rights whatsoever to be directly involved in the process. In fact the reply brief in CA50 (see link in reply downthread) directly asserts that the citizens therein should have challenged one of the "other 136 races on the ballot" and NOT the most important contested race on the ballot which was a general and not a primary like most of the rest of them.

<http://www.electionfraudnews.com/LegDoc/Busby%20SDLehto/CA%2050Brief.pdf>
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:45 AM
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2. Glad to read someone in the Dem Party is looking ahead to contested
elections. Wish they would have acted in the CA-50. This will be of major importance post election. Many election reformers are urging folks to save their $ to pay for recounts, as us in Ohio learned after the '04-we can't rely on the party to fight for their voters. While I hope they learned their lesson, I'm not counting on it.

Welcome to DU Ezekiel! Thank you for this excellent post. rec'd.
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:48 AM
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3. Thanks for the welcome.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:09 PM
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10. kick.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:14 AM
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4. The DO NOTHING Congress has been doing something,
Figuring out how to "Keep It For The Compassionate Conservatives".

They are spending our tax dollars in meetings plotting. Count on it.

They already told us that a lot will happen in the three days before (72 hours) and five days after the election.

OK In 2000 they told us Florida would be the swing state - and all major theft and obstruction took place there before and after. All with the help of right wing compassionate conservative television networks. Very containable to 'adjust' figures and ballot destruction and theft. One state.

OK In 2004 they told us Ohio would be the swing state - and all major theft and obstruction took place there before and after. All with the help of right wing compassionate conservative television networks.
Additionally, the networks paved the way by destroying their perfectly good polling structure to help with the 'vote adjustements'. Same concentration - mostly one state.

OK In 2006 they are telling us three days before and five days after - (search 72 hours and five days - from recent statements). The battles are wide spread and it is much more difficult for them to 'adjust' the votes by theft to not raise questions.

Is there anyone who cannot believe that they will do it again?

With no State to focus on - and with new eyes looking at the Republican owned and operated machines - and without the well developed, accurate polling system = the theft will be remade and they will go all out - it is going to be unbelievable. The only question is which of their think tanks worked it out?

Their number one reason for staying in power - they cannot allow their corruption, plots, riches to be discovered in the last two years of WH reign.

Their number two major reason - they probably failed in arranging for the corporations to make all the money that was promised from the Iraq War - they must stay in power to make up for it.

Their number three major reason - they have not yet succeeded in regressing all progress of a democratic nation - they have not succeeded in getting the control over us by data, rights removal, and propaganda.

The show approaching is going to be a horror of democracy. The creature nature of certain men and women who rule us will be recognizable to nearly everyone.

It's only days away. This is not the surprise - this is not an incident - this will be a scheme on many fronts. However, it will be accompanied by 'a surprise' - probably a grand stock market plunge transformed by them into a national emergency?

Want to see evil? It's on its way.

Shame on all Republicans.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:20 AM
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5. Katherine, Kenneth and now Karen
Is there a rule their name has to begin with K?

Here's a K for you and also an R.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:37 AM
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6. Can you say Orange Revolution?
I knew you could.



Kiev, 2005
Photo: Ukrainian Embassy, Belgium
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:44 AM
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7. Or, on the down side...
...maybe the convening of the House will be reminiscent of this:

On March 23, the newly elected Reichstag met in the Kroll Opera House in Berlin to consider passing Hitler's Enabling Act. It was officially called the "Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich." If passed, it would in effect vote democracy out of existence in Germany and establish the legal dictatorship of Adolf Hitler.

Brown-shirted Nazi storm troopers swarmed over the fancy old building in a show of force and as a visible threat. They stood outside, in the hallways and even lined the aisles inside, glaring ominously at anyone who might oppose Hitler's will.

Before the vote, Hitler made a speech in which he pledged to use restraint.

"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in itself a limited one," Hitler told the Reichstag.

He also promised an end to unemployment and pledged to promote peace with France, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. But in order to do all this, Hitler said, he first needed the Enabling Act. A two-thirds majority was needed, since the law would actually alter the constitution. Hitler needed 31 non-Nazi votes to pass it. He got those votes from the Catholic Center Party after making a false promise to restore some basic rights already taken away by decree.

Meanwhile, Nazi storm troopers chanted outside: "Full powers - or else! We want the bill - or fire and murder!!"


From The History Place
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:46 AM
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8. That sounds like the signing of the Military Commissions Act
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:49 AM
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9. Except no threats were required to get the MCA
through this Congress.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:22 PM
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11. I hope the CA-50 debacle doesn't set any precedent
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:54 PM
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12. Wasn't there some weirdness
in how Bilbray was sworn in?
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 02:18 PM
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13. swearing in took place before the election was certified in California
I wonder if Hoyer is following this one...


http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3568#more-3568

<snip>
San Diego voters Barbara Gail Jacobsen and Lillian Ritt filed an election contest challenging Bilbray's reported victory based on a number of factors including the now-infamous Diebold electronic voting machine sleepovers. Judge Yuri Hofmann dismissed that suit after intervention by Republican Congressional leaders claiming that once Bilbray was sworn in, California courts had no jurisdiction to rule on California's election, even though swearing in took place before the election was certified in California. That dismissal is now being appealed by California attorney Ken Simpkins and election attorney Paul Lehto on behalf of Jacobsen and Ritt.

According to Simpkins, this "was a unique situation because they actually swore Bilbray in before we got certification of this election, before all the votes were counted. Congress is basically saying we're going to swear in whoever we want to swear in, it doesn't matter if the election has been completed or not. That's another treading on the state's constitutional right to determine the time, place and manner of elections," he said.

Simpkins says, "The only way this could be more a violation of states' rights is if they actually swore Bilbray in before the election. Where do you draw the line? Where is it that the Congress gets to determine the qualification of its members? Before the election? A minute after the election? Or after the election’s been certified by the state?"
<snip>
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 02:25 PM
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14. Sounds like a preview.
Same person was involved: Haas.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 02:32 PM
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15. omigawd. that hits me like a lead balloon. can Hoyer do anything about
it truly? would letters help?
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 02:43 PM
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16. Surely at some level...
...somebody's preparing for this. Hoyer's letter indicates awareness of the possibility.
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 03:39 PM
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17. considering that he was one of the principle authors of HAVA
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 04:23 PM by diva77
and advocated heavily for paperless DREs, I'd feel more secure if he were to team up with, say, Conyers, on this mission.:scared:
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fladonkey Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 03:50 PM
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18. I can't remember....
the exact details but about 15-20 years ago, (about the time that "Eye of Newt" Gingrich started in Congress that there was a very very messy election in the midwest. I remember watching several televised hearings on C-Span where Congressmen were questioning voters from the CD in question. Ultimately, the Democrats prevailed but the Republicans threatened retaliation. Anyone remember this?
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:45 PM
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19. Read the article.
There's a reference in there to the Indiana McCloskey case.

(I hate it when that happens.)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 01:28 AM
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20. but the CA-50
County Registrar is a male Haas - are you saying they could be related, though?
Interesting to find out -

CA-50 is on appeal

Immediately after the ruling of the CA-50 - there was another ruling in Nevada. This was filed by a Republican candidate. Also lost on same grounds, but what was peculiar in this case was her immediate attitude - as if to say - "Oh, ok - thank you judge, that's perfectly fine with me". smelly
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20060902/ELECTIONS/109020079&SearchID=7326099365069

But today, Bilbray is in trouble, due to his residency status.

Nice website Ezekiel :)

and thank you for this post - ever since CA-50 we have been concerned this will be the ultimate battleground - Hastert
the GOP lead attorney directly communicated with the judge, which was certainly not kosher either.
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 03:58 AM
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21. You guys in CA-50 were the test case.
No, as far as I know the two aren't related, even through marriage. But House Clerk Haas was the one who accepted those "credentials" from Bilbray. The same will be true after November 7.

Thanks for the compliment.

Keep it in mind if things continue to go south. ;)
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 04:29 AM
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22. Question about the procedure
If some House races are contested, which House members vote on the disputes?

It could conceivably be the old House, which would at least be unambiguous. More likely, though, it's the new House. One could seat all the undisputed members, but then what? Anyone whose seat is disputed can't vote until that dispute is resolved? In that case, the order of resolving disputes would be critical. Alternatively, perhaps everyone certified by the state can vote until the dispute over their own seat is reached.

If Ezekiel or anyone else knows the answer, please elaborate!
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Ezekiel in Exile Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 05:09 AM
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23. The precedent is...
...that the new House votes on contested elections. The process takes too long to complete before the new House convenes. First, someone must file a contest with the House Clerk after a state official has certified her/his opponent's election. Then the "winner" has thirty days to respond, after which there's a period of discovery, just like in a civil law suit.

The problem is that everything must go through the House Administration Committee (that's what Hoyer's letter was about), and its makeup will be determined according to how the House is organized, i.e. by the new Speaker.

Up until the new Speaker is elected, the House is completely stymied, because the new House must be sworn in by the Speaker before it can act on anything but the election of the Speaker.

Things went on for weeks in 1839 until the Dems and Whigs reached a compromise.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 08:58 AM
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24. More on the CA50 test case, decision on appeal quite poss b4 election
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