Dean Pulls into Solid Second Place

[liberalmike27]

Kerry with 411, with Dean at 175, Edwards at 116, Clark at 82 and Sharpton at 12. It takes 2,162 to win the nomination.

I find it a curious continuation of media bashing that the pundits are all talking about Dean withdrawing tonight, when he is still second, and will likely continue to be second, or better, if he stayed in for the whole race. He might even win, stranger things have happened.

Personally, I want him to go all the way with this thing. Why let the media win, and the more they bash him, those who've not yet become skeptical will begin to see the light, that Kerry is the corporate friend, that the sheep-feeders are pushing in this race, so that he may keep their precious special interests.

On the other hand, with Dean, we are the special interests. So do you vote for us being the special interests, or Kerry with his corporations? I'm sticking with Dean, and I hope he just stays in now, if nothing else to annoy that putrid Robert Novak.

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[eileen_d]

2. It's the delegate count

I agree this fact is severely under-reported in our lovable corporate media.

[Nicholas_J]

15. The good thing about superdelegates

Is that they are not bound delegates. They cna and likely will switch from Dean to the frontrunner in several weeks. Several delegates for Dean pulled away after Iowa. It is likely to happen again as those delegates start thinking about what is in it for them to stay comitted to someone who is not going to win. In every election where the suprtdelegates have given support to a candidate who starts losing, by the last six weeks before the final nomination is done, they switch to the frontrunner. Ther has never been an election in which this does not happen and in all nominations, the superdelegates have never opposed the will of the delegates won by vote.

[virtualobserver]

3. and he finished 2nd in both Michigan and Washington

we shall see.

[question everything]

6. Leads in the number of superdelegates who, like Gore and Bradley

and Harkin jumped on his wagon not knowing where they were going.

[woofless]

4. "You just keep thinkin' Butch,

that's what you're good at." Sundance

[King of New Orleans]

5. What stranger thing has happened?

Granted Kerry could get struck by lightning or something.

Still just because there's no longer much of a chance for Dean, there's no reason for Dean to stop campaigning unless he wants too.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

8. The stranger thing that has happened

Kerry was dead in the water about 4 months ago polling in single digits. That would fall under "stranger things have happened". So, let me get this straight, Kerry can come back from the Dead but there is no chance for Dean? As stated, he hasn't won a single state, yet he is in second and everyone calls for him to drop out. It's far easier to have the tough team forfeit than to actually PLAY and win. Me thinks me smells a bit of fear.

[Nicholas_J]

22. It is not uncommon before the Iowa and New Hampshire votes

for someone to come from behind and then move up into a frontrunner position once all of the candidates are actually facing voters and elections.

At this state of the game, such a reversal is virtually unheard of.

By March the front runner will have too many delegates for anyone to overtake them, and already Kerry has enough delegates to prevent anyone fron overtaking him before the march primaries where Kerry has enormous leads in polls in places like California with the largest delegate counts.

[shredder]

7. As others drop out.

Dean will surely take a jump. Since all of the nominees have essentially taken an anti washington stance surely their supporters will follow the nominee who also stands for real change in washington. It appears to be a race between typical washington politics ie. Kerry and those who wish for real real change in American politics. If it is not Dean so be it then I hope it will be ABK, anybody but Kerry! Why would any democrat vote for someone who has supported just about everything george Bush has done? The idea just completely baffles me!

[question everything]

9. How do you calculate that?

According to the NYT the caucus states - IA, ND, WA, MI - will not determine the number of national delegates until "later this year" which, I assume, after their state conventions. Is this correct?

Thus, the number of delegates, according to the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/20040127_px_RESULTS/ is as follows:

(first number is super delegates, second - pledged)

WC 43 + 43 = 86
HD 121 + 16 = 137
JE 39 + 50 = 89
JK 101 + 119 = 220
DK 2 + 0 = 2
AS 3 + 1 = 4

[Edwards4President]

10. So Howard Dean is a solid fourth in pledged delegates?

[SadEagle]

23. 2nd after today.

He picked up 53 delegates. Edwards picked up 6. Clark picked up 0. Kerry picked up a lot.

[Straight Shooter]

11. Wait and see. Dean is a family man, with strong moral values.

This is the image which I hope to see presented to the American public. Kerry doesn't even come close. For all the Democrats rallying around freedom to choose (sexual and reproductive), our country has taken a definite turn to the right. If only we had heard such hollering and screaming over the WMD issue as we did because Ms. Jackson's breast was exposed on national TV.

Notice that Dean is wearing suits again, he looks respectable. He keeps his tone measured, his voice is smooth, and he is addressing the issues which matter. He is allowing his anti-Iraq war stance to die on its own, having delivered the message clearly. The rebel yell will soon be forgotten, because people have recognized how the media played it ad nauseam. If they play it again, people will roll their eyes in disgust at them, not at Dean.

It is my goal to cast my vote for someone that I want as a friend I can count on, not a friend to go out and have a beer with, as I've heard said of Kerry.

I'm in it for the long haul.

[shredder]

13. The question is......

which one would actually be delighted to accept the invitation to go have a beer.

[Straight Shooter]

16. With me? Both of them!

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Edit: Welcome to DU! :hi:

[For PaisAn]

12. It's still open

Contrary to what the media and some here on DU may say, this is still an open race. No one has sewn this up. Why don't we just let all the voters decide. Wouldn't that be nice and democratic.

[liberalmike27]

19. All the way

Dean should take it all the way.

I could care less who wanted to have a beer, that stuff tastes nasty, and I've given up drinking long ago. I don't find Kerry very much of anything, in particular likeable.

He was dead in the water, and wrote himself a check for 7 million to jump start his campaign. That should give you an idea of how sympathetic to ordinary Americans he is, and also why the corporate media is pushing him. They realize Bush's house is falling down due to a avalance of lies, that can't be hidden, even by their considerable manipulative powers. They know anyone could likely kick Bush's sorry dynastic ass, and they want to put a guy up who won't threaten the status-quo, or change anything, which is Kerry. That is why they are selling the electability myth. It really involves playing on the Democratic voters massive hatred of Bush and everything he stands for, and "portraying" him as electable. Funny how they were pretending on the Capital Gang that "Democrats" were deciding to vote based on electability. It's as if they haven't been selling that product, all part of the game, make it seem like they have nothing to do with your decision, and then manipulate the hell out of that extreme Bush hatred.

Folks should turn off the television, go to the web-sites, and decide which candidate they like best policy wise, consider the experience of what they've actually done with their time in politics, then vote for who you agree with. That is the only way to know you aren't being made a victim of their nefarious strategy.

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[Straight Shooter]

18. Invasion of the Brain Snatchers

Jimmy, is that you? Jimmy? Jimmy? Aaaaarrrrggghhh!! He's wearing a Kerry button!!

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[Straight Shooter]

20. Jeepers, only 2 months pregnant and you're in the hospital for delivery

:P

Make that 1 month.

[liberalmike27]

21. Ain't over

It ain't over till the last dog dies.

Imagine if Kucinich wasn't sapping up the liberal votes. Dean would likely carry those, which would have given him even more. Clark also saps Dean votes, since he pretty much entered the race on Dean's platform, plus his "General" re'sume'. I wish all the laggards would drop out, though it is their right to hang as long as they want to. Sadly, both Sharpton and Kucinich, perhaps Clark are all tapping Dean votes, the anti-Kerry vote.

All Part of why Dean should stay in all the way till the end. If nothing else, he will irritate the hell out of the corporate media, who sincerely hate them, and are showing it more with each misrepresentation of the delegate count, the couple of thousand times they played his rally-the-troops speech, and all of the other propagandistic crap that so many sheeple have bought and paid for. These are huge corporations, they are not your friends. If anything, they are the enemy, just remember, the guys who are reporting the news, are your enemy.

[stickdog]

25. Kerry doesn't even have 20% of the delegates. And the media & Rove have

yet lay a finger on him.

Why?

Could it be because he's a sitting duck for Bush?

[sandnsea]

26. Please don't do this

You of all people. This is what you were saying in December about Kerry. And I'd bet you'd jump off the Kerry ship if there was even a storm on the horizon. We're still fighting for every vote here. Tennessee and Virginia on Tuesday. That's all. Need some phone numbers to call?

[stickdog]

24. Nobody gets bashed more to this day.

He must still have somebody scared or else why does every media outlet keep hammering him 24/7?