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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:30 PM Original message |
"I'm not voting for you... You are going to take my guns away..." |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. How did Brown end up on the wrong side of the torture issue? |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I don't know.... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. He didn't |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Someone told him it would pass anyway and get him elected to the Senate |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That logic works equally well to appease moderate Republicans |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. If we win, we can do the same thing to Republicans |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Baldfaced political calculation, that's how |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. The "take my guns away" drivel has more to do with right-wing radio |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I never said it was a left wing agenda.... |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Simply meant that the party didn't have to move one way or another |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. They didn't want to accept them.... |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. The Democratic Party just didn't take hate radio & RW grassroots |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. That unfortunate meme was a result of the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch... |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm a life long democrat owning and possessing guns |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I live in Philadelphia |
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Craftsman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
78. That being said most of the gun owners I know would not vote |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 08:41 AM Response to Reply #78 |
100. Thank goodness! |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I have nothing at all against people owning guns.... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Unfortunately, for a lot of people in the '90s, Dianne Feinstein was the voice of the party |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
57. The problem now... |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. The fear is that the gun freedom lovers are under the impression they still have a right |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. It was really put forth by Lincoln back in 1861 when the |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. No, the problem was that gun-404 politicians |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. There is no point really in gun control now.... |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Right, and people who defend the right to free speech or to have an abortion |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. there are about ten guns for every person living right now in the |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. That's entirely beside the point |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. What the fuck are you talking about... |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Go back and read it again slowly if you don't comprehend. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You obviously didn't get what I was talking about... |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:45 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. You're right, I didn't get that |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
63. You've overstated the number of firearms in the US by a factor of :>10. |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. You better go back and look at what Nixon signed into law under the disguise of |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Not one of my gun enthusiast friends wants to overthrow the Government. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
76. Here's what's amazing... |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. I read about that flood in 1994, too |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Yes. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
23. When the last gun-grabber leaves the party, |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. And When The Last Gun Activist "Democrat"..... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm hardly a gun activist |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Been saying that.. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
26. Doesn't matter what you say. These people have very limited realities |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. My oh my |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
64. Thank you for pointing it out. All we need to win, and to keep winning, |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
92. Apparently I did a bad job of presenting my case. There are currently |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
27. Waaaaahhh! I can't get it up without my guns!! |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I feel the same way about people who equate defending civil rights with impotence |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Oh grow up. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Why don't you wise up instead? nt |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I wonder if Jefferson thought people should own firearms? Here are |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Sorry, those 'arguments' mean nothing against AK-47s and cop |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. And if you live in a rural area in the South where it takes |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. And just how often does that happen out in the sticks compared to what |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You're really bolstering my point - you can't always depend on |
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mitchleary (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Speaking of strawmen |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Armour piercing ammo. They are called cop killers because vests won't stop them. |
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mitchleary (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Armor piercing eh? |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. A typical bullet proof vest is defeated by most any jacketed spitzer type bullet fired from a rifle |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
61. Armor piercing handgun ammo was banned 20 YEARS ago... |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. I'm not debating this issue with anybody. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. "I'm not debating alcohol prohibition with anybody" |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Ms Cooks, you're ignorant of firearms and your mind is closed. And |
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Craftsman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Until the party loses that anti gun attitude you will see rethugs |
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mitchleary (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. Hmmmmmmmm |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. double post |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. ++++++++ |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. It's funny... |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 06:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. That all changed under republican leadership during the 20's and 30's |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
60. WHICH ARE >>ALREADY RESTRICTED |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
54. Haven't you seen the cartoon... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. Geez, talk about ignorant... |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Really? Then why are convicts forbidden that right? It don't say a thing about |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. So is voting a right, or a privilege that can be restricted at whim? |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Only if said convict wasn't convicted of a violent crime. Just because some states convinced voters |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I think we may be on the same page here, then? |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
83. Careful Who You Call Ignorant |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. I was calling the personal attack ignorant, Paladin... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. Unpersuasive |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Cognitive Dissonance? Not Bloody Likely |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
77. Where is the militia? |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. A large standing Army was never supposed to exist in America |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. The militia is still out there, MGD |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. I'm aware of this. The organized portion, however, is simply another |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Exactly, MGD! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
93. If "common knowledge" is valid, why bother educating people? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
42. Dear NRA member.... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
65. We will win this election because we are not them. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
70. Guns and jobs... |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Excuse me but wtf are you talking about? Under Nixons law and order platform |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So you're invoking Nixon to justify Feinstein? |
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AJ9000 (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Amen brother. This is a HIGH PRIORITY issue for many voters. Being |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. I just moved from Texas and heard the same things friend. |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. The over throwing of the elected american government is illegal though, it has been since 1971 |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. I'm sure it was illegal in 1776 as well... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I don't follow you... |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Its illegal and if anyone tries they will be imprisoned faster then a camel jocky riding nude |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. There has never been any such right in any government including ours |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 08:33 AM Response to Reply #84 |
98. Ah, I see... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 08:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
106. if you ever have to resort to using a gun |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
85. You'll have two years with only a house majority. You'll pass no anti-gun legislation |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Thank you..... |
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mrgorth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
95. Here's your answer |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. That is what I tried to talk about.... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. The difference between 1996 and 2006... |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I really was just pointing out my personal experience.... |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
103. When did Dems ever take away guns? The rethugs DID in |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
107. "Why would I want your weapons? Mine are much nicer!" |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 08:11 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. LOL! Good comeback! |
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