Media push OBAMA versus HILLARY presidential race...

[jefferson_dem]

OBAMA PU$HES AHEAD OF HILL
:popcorn:

SHELLS OUT $100,000 MORE IN 'PREZ BID'
By IAN BISHOP Post Correspondent

October 30, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - Round 1 of the much-hyped potential title fight between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination goes to Obama.

The charismatic rising star has invested more cash than Clinton this year to build up political chits around the country - even though she's sitting on a $14 million war chest.

Obama, a Chicagoan who set the party faithful aflutter when he revealed last week that he's eyeing a presidential bid, has tossed nearly $500,000 to local politicians and state Democratic groups across the country - including bigwigs in the key early primary states of Iowa, Nevada and South Carolina.

Clinton, already crowned the party's 2008 front-runner, has doled out about $400,000 to the grassroots pols, according to federal records compiled by PoliticalMoneyLine, a fund-raising watchdog group.

And with operatives and pundits anointing Obama as the so-called anti-Hillary alternative for Democrats, their grassroots money fight is the first of many blows they'll trade as they jockey for position in 2008.

"He has the potential to knock Hillary right out of the race. He's everything the liberals could want, and the moderates, too - and he isn't Hillary," said Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia.

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/10302006/news/nationalnews/obama_puhes_ahead_of_hill_nationalnews_ian_bishop__post_correspondent.htm

[sendero]

1. False choice..

... as usual. The most villified woman in America vs. the great chesire-cat grinning unknown.

Neither.

[SoFlaJet]

2. note to the MSM

neither Obama nor Hillary is who DEMOCRATS want or would be stupid enough to nominate-they would love that.Let's face it the country isn't ready for either a woman or a black man to be president and as wrong as it is to our core values-we know it too.The dems would be committing political suicide by choosing either

[shirlden]

3. Gender and race have nothing to do with it

Obama is not seasoned enough yet to pursue the top job and Hill has turned off most thinking dems. I would not back either and in fact would work against both in the primary.

:dem:

[DainBramaged]

4. Why do you hate America?

"would work against both in the primary"

YOU are the reason the Rethugs have won for 12 years. You don't work against any Democratic candidate.

How unbelievably egotistical and selfish. I bet you would have worked against Jack Kennedy too.

[shirlden]

5. You need some reading comprehension classes

Note that I said in the PRIMARY. I am 70..........Jack Kennedy was the first man I ever had the opportuity to vote for in the Presidential elections and I did so by absentee as I was moving at the time. I have voted in every election, including off year and primary since then, no matter where I was living. And the vast majority of those votes were always dem, many times only dem as I intend this year.
Put the shotgun down, Dude........... You are way off on this one. I have been woking for dems for about 50 years.......can you say that?????

[DainBramaged]

19. Primary or election, matters not

And I've been voting since 1969, big deal. Again, ego or hatred, which could it be? If you feel it necessary to work AGAINST a candidate, even in a primary, you've got your priorities mixed up.

I think working for is always better than against. Bone up on your reading comprehension "dude".

[hughee99]

8. I think race and gender have everything to do with

why the MEDIA wants to see them in the primary against each other.

While I don't think that race or gender has anything to do with one's electability or their ability to lead (certainly not in the Democratic Primary), but race and gender have everything to do with how this primary would be portrayed in the media. If they could get these two running against each other in the primary, they would have the opportunity to portray Obama as a sexist and Hillary as a racist and kill two images with one stone. Anything that comes from Hillary's campaign will be examined in the media for a "racist component", anything from Obama's camp will be examined for a "sexist component". If you're willing to look hard enough, you can always find something to be offended by, even if you have to take it completely out of context.

Having said all of that, I agree. Though I intend to support whoever the Democratic nominee is in the general election, I will not support either Hillary or Obama in the primary, and my reasons have nothing to do with gender or race.

[geek tragedy]

15. Bull crap. We don't have to be racist or sexist to win.

Besides, if we were dumb enough to nominate John Kerry, we could do far worse than Barack Obama.

[beachmom]

26. John Kerry was the best Dem candidate in 2004. Period. n/t

[geek tragedy]

30. That's pretty sad. eom

[Solo_in_MD]

34. But true

[Solo_in_MD]

18. The tin foil hat crowd could easily see it as a way to insure another repuke

in the Whitehouse. They could well be right.

[NewJeffCT]

6. Why does the right love Obama?

Charles Krauthammer, neocon op-ed writer, is pushing Obama, too.

[leesa]

9. Because he'll vote for things they want.

He talks big about other stuff, but he'll vote for the stuff the Corporations want, like Hillary and Joe do. He's DLC.

[Solo_in_MD]

16. Obama is as much a silver spoon child as the Bushs

However he is showing some promise of outgrowing it.

[beachmom]

27. That's inaccurate. Obama grew up middle class and also

had to put up with the same prejudice every other American of color had to. I don't support Obama this time around, but I really am troubled by the vitriol against him here. It's just wrong.

[Solo_in_MD]

31. What do you know of his upbringing?

He grew up in Honolulu and attended Punahou School. That is not even close to a typical middle class environment.

[BluegrassDem]

23. Please tell me what he'll vote for?

And tell me the other Dems that won't do the same?

[harlinchi]

13. I saw that too!

Whenever a GOP'er offers 'advice' to Democratic party members rest assured the advice would benefit the GOP.

[KKKarl is an idiot]

20. Because he is black

The CNN poll last week showed that Hilary could be ahead of her 2 closest rival Republican candidates. This scares the right. They thought all along pushing Hilary forward will ensure a loss. But she seems to be gaining ground. She could win a Southern state or 2 & that could mean she would have the Whitehouse. While Obama does not stand a chance in the Southern states. He is black. There may be Southern white people who vote for a black state Representative or a federal senator but very few will like to see a black man sit in the Whitehouse.

[leesa]

7. Imagine that...the Korporate Kandidate.

And everyone falls for the slick DLC/GOP/Corporate package

[MannyGoldstein]

10. But Who Would be the Democratic Nominee???

I hope that the Democrats also nominate someone. Perhaps Gore/Feingold.

[Vidar]

11. Obama doesn't have Hillary's at this point, so they figure he'll be cheaper

to buy.

[papau]

12. Hillary Rodham Clinton beats McCain by 7 points in last poll - I like that

Of course the poll showed them tied - within a point of each other - if Hill uses the name Hillary Clinton. Seems "Rodham" is worth 7 points - wierd, but great!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/20/poll.08/index.html

If presidential elections were held today, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton would likely have a comfortable edge over Sen. John McCain, but take away her maiden name and McCain has a better shot of landing in the Oval Office.

So say the results of a CNN poll released Friday by Opinion Research Corp., which asked 506 adult Americans whom they preferred among potential 2008 presidential candidates. The margin of error for the survey is plus or minus 4.5 percent.

Asked if they preferred Hillary Rodham Clinton to McCain, respondents gave the Democratic New York senator and former first lady a 51 percent to 44 percent advantage over the Republican Senator from Arizona. Remove "Rodham" and McCain had a 1 percentage point advantage, 48 percent to 47 percent.

[karynnj]

14. The middle name is likely not anywhere near that big a factor.

You have 2 samples, each with an moe of 4.5. The difference is within the error because the moe of the difference is 9.

[papau]

21. MOE for 95% likelyhood is not same as saying that there is not a 7 point lead via name

The likely hood is well over 50% - but just not over 95%.

The data still points, strongly, to the name used making a difference.

But I won't mind seeing a few more tests of the idea - :-)

[karynnj]

25. The liklihood that there IS A DIFFERENCE is

well over 50%. I agree that more tests are worth doing. They should be done with larger samples though. I do agree that it is more likely than not that there is a difference and it it worth getting a better estimate for it. (Even just from this, it would be worth having her list her full name on the ballot.)

[karynnj]

17. This is not accurate - Hillary has contributed substantially more

and it has been well documented in MANY threads here. The source of this is the NY Post - which is a right wing rag. Their intent is not honesty, but likely an attempt to damage both Democrats. I am getting REALLY annoyed that in a year where the Democrats are doing better than they have for at least a decade and almost all important party members are working very hard to take back the Congress - where they are now badly outnumbered, that people on the left and the right are calling out Democrats for not fighting enough.

[BluegrassDem]

22. The Obama hating in the DU needs to cease

Just cause Obama is appealing to people on the other side of the aisle makes him not suitable to be a nominee? This is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Obama is very appealing to people all over the country and that's why he's a dangerous candidate for the Republicans. Obama carried downstate Illinois, which is just country as any place in Tennessee. Why is that a negative on the DU?

[beachmom]

28. I agree. I have some issues with Obama (lack of FP experience)

but I think he is one of the best voices in the Democratic party, and I don't like the tone of some of the comments here.

[Jed Dilligan]

32. He carried downstate IL with pork,

which won't work in a national election. He would have to gut the entire budget to pork up all the rural areas in the country.

[Jed Dilligan]

33. He carried downstate IL with pork,

which won't work in a national election. He would have to gut the entire budget to pork up all the rural areas in the country.

[snowbear]

35. I'm not a Obama hating DU'er !!!

I think he should say go for it!

Why not? ~~~~

[AtomicKitten]

24. It is the epitome of ignorance

to slam two of the strongest candidates we have with such ill-informed BS. Not supporting them is one thing but this purposeful jihad based on crap information is quite another. The only thing the MSM cares about is ratings. To transpose intentions beyond that is just mind-numbing paranoid ideation.

[beaconess]

29. HILARIOUS call on C-Span this morning re: Obama

Woman called in saying she was a Black Republican. After trashing Dems for a minute, she then launched into a criticism of the notion that Obama run for president, saying that it was "absurd."

Then she announced who she thought would be a great first person of color to be president . . .

George P. Bush, Jeb's 30-year-old son!

BWAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!