|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:26 PM Original message |
Don't be fooled, liberal Democrats dictated the agenda! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Parisle (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, for Christ's sake,........ |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Nazi wing too lazy |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Because there isn't a bull market in Bush..." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. how can you draw that conclusion from even that one little snippet? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Why do you hate liberals so much? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. why do "progressives" hate so much to disputed? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Support 3rd parties? You mean like the elected DEMS who back Lieberman? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. no, like the Dems who supported Henry Wallace and Ralph Nader |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Or, people who support the "CT Lieberman Independent Party." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. or people, like MoveOn and some DUers, who advise not to vote Dem |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I agree- I oppose all who support 3rd ptys- not just the "left" ones. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. of course |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. In post #16 you said "no" when I brought up Lieberman supporters |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. sure did, responding directly to martymar64 who made a threat... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. So long as we agree then. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. ..and my position is... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Including all the elected DEMS who support Lieberman too? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. including many DUers, MoveOn, David Sirota, and KOS? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. DEM Lieberman supporters are "not deserving of the designation" of DEM? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. many DUers, MoveOn, David Sirota, and KOS not deserving of it? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. No. Do all those people even call themselves Democrats anyway? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. yes they do. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I dont see anyone supporting 3rd parties as being too loyal to DEMS. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. or advocating not supporting Dems? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Really? I thought I said they were "no friends of mine" and "Not loyal" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. not the same. Are they Democrats? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I agree with you on that-not supporting Democrats, like Lamont, is repulsive. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. ..and not supporting Clinton? Biden? Ford? Is that repulsive? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I would vote for them and I send the DNC money all the time. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. that isn't what I've been asking. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Are you suggesting we have a purge? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Are you? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #70 |
79. When do you tell us about those Anti-Lamont (D) elected DEMS- are they loyal DEMS? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:27 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I've said they were not loyal... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. So for the Anti-Lamont (D) DEMS- it's "my way or the highway" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. of course not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. It's either the Lamont Anti-war/anti-Bush Highway or the Lieberman/DLC highway |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. no, it's either the netroots "my way or the highway" or debate and discourse... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The DLCers debated Bush leading up to the Iraq War? Really? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. there was plenty of debate leading up to the Iraq war... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. But little or no opposition. Debate w/o actual opposition did not aid us. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. how much opposition could the minority party actually give? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. They are allowed to vote "no", are they not? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. of course, if their conscience dictates |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Yes-the Liberals & informed moderates were right, the DLC & Bush was DEAD wrong. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. well, the people who would have voted against it regardless were right |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. We knew it was not a real threat- we had the facts. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. of course you did. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. We did- and we begged the DLC and others to listen to us. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. of course you did |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Can you refute there was pre-war knowledge of Bush's lies & distortions? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. I can certainly agree that there were conflicting viewpoints |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Wrong- the fact that Powell was lying with forged docs was known pre-war. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I can certainly agree that there were conflicting viewpoints |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Wrong- the lies were known to be lies before the war. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. I can certainly agree that there were conflicting viewpoints |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. The fact that Powell was lying with forged Docs was proven beforehand. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. I can certainly agree that there were conflicting viewpoints |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Yup- and the conflict was whether to swallow known lies whole or fight the lies. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. I can certainly agree that there were conflicting viewpoints |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. But you cant adress why the DLC trusted Powell's forged Docs. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. hmm.. don't recall the DLC specifically addressing those |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. You need a link to how Powell's lying speech convinced DEMS to support the war? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. no, that the DLC specifically trusted his forged docs. That is what you alleged. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. His entire speech was based on forged Niger docs, forged British intel, and other proven lies. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. you're the one who specifically parsed out the doc. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. I guess they voted "yes" b/c they thought he was lying then? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. So you have no link stating the DLC trusted Powell's forged Docs? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. If your position is that Powell's speech was not used to justify "yes" votes, fine. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. so you stated something as fact that you cannot back up? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. yes- I made up the fact that many DEMS trusted Powell's UN Speech. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. no, you apparently made up "DLC trusted Powell's forged Docs." post 134 n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Yes- I concede-in reality- they stated that his speech was based on lies. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. You remeber now? So what did they specifically say about the forged docs? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. I dont recall them ever admitting the docs were known to be forged- do you? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. but do you have any evidence they trusted them as you claimed in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Perhaps they just pretended to trust Powell's "evidence"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. can you provide evidence they pretended to trust the docs? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. They either trusted Powell's speech that was based on the docs, or they did not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. can you provide evidence they pretended to trust the docs? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. They either trusted Powell's speech that was based on the docs, or they did not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
175. Yes, like Tonkin it was a bullshit "threat" based on lies. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. speaking of bullshit. About those two claims you push... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
174. Indeed - thank you for pointing out those facts. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
173. Do you support lieberman? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #173 |
180. hey, Zhade, did you ever find proof of those two bullshit claims of yours? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
171. You are doing a fantastic job showing his true colors. Bravo! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #171 |
186. hey, Zhade, did you ever find proof of those two bullshit claims of yours? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Deleted message |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That poster accuses me, a moderate of being "far left" all the time. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. pony up |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. LOL! Okay- I concede you never called me or anyone "far left" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. LOL! You're conceding the wrong point |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Oh -okay-fair enough- then show me one of my far-left issues then. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. like I just said |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. So now I am I "fringe partisan"- On what issues? Back up your smears. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. are you purposely missing the point? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. No- I have a problem with far-right positions, and refusing to fight. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. well, there you go. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So you dont have any examples of my "fringe" positions then, do you? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I never claimed to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I see- so your definition of "fringe" morps depending on who calls your bullshit. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. it has always been the same. Can you point to where it has been different? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. How can I point out what you have constantly refused to clarify? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I've clarified my position at least twice in this thread |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. And what is so wrong with opposing the DLC on certain issues? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. didn't say it was bad |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Oh- I dont mind when they do that all. So I guess I'm not fringe. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. well,if your position now is that the DLC is ok, then I guess you're not fringe |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. No- I disagree with them on many issues. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. do you consider them "republican-lite" or DINOS? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Stances on ISSUES can certainly be repub-lite, far right, Liberal, moderate etc. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:08 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. only in somone's opinion |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I doubt Truman/Kennedy/FDR would suck up to Bush/Rove on a fake war. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. why not? Did they not engage in fake wars themselves? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. WWII was a fake war?????? You are officially out of your mind. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Point out to the good people reading this where I said or implied that???? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. In post #95- you said "why not" to the idea that FDR,etc would not start a fake war. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. that is right. But look at the first several words IN the post (Korea & Vietnam) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. So Truman faked the Korean war and Kennedy faked Vietnam? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. like I said, your lack of historical knowledge is showing |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. So you cant explain how FDR, Truman & Kennedy's FP is like Bush's? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Do you not agree that Korea and Viet Nam were engaged under false pretenses? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Even if FDR, JFK & Truman were just like Bush in Iraq- that would not make it right. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I never said it was the right thing |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. The current pro-Bush FP sucks, whether you say FDR would like it or not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. ok. We can agree there. But remember, truth has three stages |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Yes- someday I'll learn that FDR, JFK & Truman are as bad as Bush. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Like I said before, you have to read history to understand it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Pretend I am a swing-voter who has no time or patience. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Swingvoters are a touch more patient than partisans... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Er- we LOST to swing-voters in 2002. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. yes we did because, like I said, they agreed with Bush... Er... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. The result was that we lost '02 and then set ourselves up as Flip-floppers for '04 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. the DLC makes up a minority portion of the House and Senate Dems |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Oh it was not just the DLC who went along- we both know that. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. yet you lay it at the DLC's feet. C'mon! Either they're powerful or they're not |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. No- they cant take all the blame- just for their own failed strategies. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. so the DLC, that small little band of brothers, influenced the rest? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Could be- they certainly can be blamed for their own failed strategies though. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. ah, the nefarious tentacles of the DLC in the minds of the paranoid |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. If you say so- I only discussed what they themselves did and what others did. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. but the only source is your imagination |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Sure- the DLC never supported Bush- I imagined the whole thing. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. If you have a link specifically stating what you are alledging, let's see it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. No that was in the other sub thread. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. so it doesn't apply here? LOL! Alternate reality for you I guess |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. And in that alternate reality-the DLC never trusted Powell's speech. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Oh, I never made that claim. But you sure are avoiding the "Docs" claim |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. I'm not avoiding the docs claim- it is a fact the Powell's speech was widely trusted |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. Either they trusted his speech or they did not. The speech was based on known forgeries. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. A partisan wouldn't accept ANY EVIDENCE....not matter how complete |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. Did you know that DLCers did not even consider Powell's speech in their war vote? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. Powell's speech was based on docs known to be forged. They either trusted him or they didnt. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #183 |
193. Their "yes" votes is "evidence" that they either trusted Powell or pretended to. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. so Doc Fate has no evidence that the DLC specifically did as he claims in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #170 |
176. They either trusted Powell's false speech or they did not. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #176 |
184. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #184 |
192. Their "yes" votes is "evidence" that they either trusted Powell or pretended to. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 05:12 AM Response to Reply #192 |
196. so you have no evidence that the DLC specifically did as you claim in post 134? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. you made no point to prove. Now c'mon... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
49. My point is . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. revisionism |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Only 2 DLC-backed senators. Who does the DLC not back |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. three |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. So the DLC does not back the other ones? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. the DLC supports their campaigns |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Just because you say they're DLC doesn't make it so. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. that is so funny |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. You named 3 DLCer's |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. yeah... so? Wasn't that my initial claim? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:09 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If you don't like revolutionary rhetoric |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:17 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Why introduce irrelevant subjects? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Deleted sub-thread |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I agree 100%- Liberals have had little or no control over the past 3 elections. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. but, yet "liberal Democrats dictated the agenda!" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yes- Liberals & fighting moderates did not direct the agenda. The OP is wrong. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The OP is not wrong! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I disagree. I just dont see Liberals being allowed to dicate anything. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. That may be true for some, but |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Opposing multi-billion $, endless wars based on lies is pretty moderate... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Are you saying these moderates lack common sense? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I am saying what I said- opposing a multi-billion$ war based on lies is not "liberal" per se |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
54. "Liberal Democrats dictated the agenda"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. We haven't won yet... and |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. You're right in a sense! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
93. I believe the mass corporate media's view of anything |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
191. Deleted message |
Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. I did not know that, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. Yes - it was delightful. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 05:20 AM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Hey Zhade? Did you find proof of those two bullshit claims of yours? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
198. Really, was I asleep or something? When did the liberal wing of the party |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Fri Apr 26th 2024, 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC