What if Dean had done this?

[dsc]

In NH and IA Kerry ran an ad with a white veteran telling the viewer about Vietnam. In SC (close to 50% AA primary) the veteran was black. In heavily Hispanic AZ and NM the veteran was Hispanic. I think we would have had both media stories and posts here telling us what a disturbing panderer Dean was if it had been Dean doing this. With Kerry, it has been near silence.

Full disclosure I think it was smart marketing. Just like when Dean had AA people stand behind him at rallies. But Dean got savaged here, Kerry not a word. Why the difference?

[Renew Deal]

1. Dean has no credibility on race issues.

That's probably why it would be an issue.

[NV1962]

Nah... I'd rephrase that

It's rather that Dean was nailed for not having a "strong" record on that issue, which is a 45-degree difference with "not having credibility" on it.

Sharpton drove that nail into Dean, and somehow it stuck, apparently.

But I think Dean should yank it out, I don't think it was a "fair" jab.

However, there are other ways to skin that cat here: Dean could issue an all-point press release explaining what Kerry did... Explaining the silly previous spat about "no right to speak" - and therefore end it with "No comment"

Teehe!

[Renew Deal]

11. Dean talks about southerners and minorities as if they are aliens.

He just can't handle the issues.

[dsc]

13. that is such a crock of crap

Newsflash I am a minority. I know since I am gay I don't count around here at all but I am a minority. And he treated me well.

[clarknyc]

4. Really?

That's quite a declaritive statement. Care to enlighten us with some facts?

[dsc]

6. Oh really

Your candidate, a certain Kerry, took the exact, precise, and totally same position on AA in 1993 that Dean did, of course Kerry didn't get a word said about it. Fance that.

[Renew Deal]

9. My candidate is Kerry?

Well, maybe if he wins the nomination.

[dsc]

12. sorry I thought you were a Kerry man

care to tell me why you think Kerry is credible on issues of race with the very same, not one iota different position on AA.

[liberalnurse]

10. Now I look at it this way, the poster is on to something.....

Kerry lacks credibility amongst racial minorities and so he "used" them as props along with his pandering of metals. Using minorities, promenading them out on stage, that triggers a history memory for me....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. All things to all people.

[Democrats unite]

3. Great picture of Kerry thanks!

[NV1962]

5. Great picture of Edwards thanks!

[blm]

7. WRONG!!! Those men were his crewmembers who LIVED in those states.

Holy cripe, dsc. If the SC crewmember was white, he would have been in the ad. I suppose Kerry PLANNED his ads back in Vietnam and demanded a black crewmember to be on his boat.

Don't fall into the spin hole. Rise above it.

[dsc]

8. and those African Americans who were so disturnbing in the case of

Dean were, in each and every case, people who lived in those states and supported Dean. So again, just what is the difference here?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. The difference:

One is backed by the machine, the other is being chewed up by it.

[blm]

15. I'm not aware of Dean ads being criticized for using blacks. Can you

post a link about it?

And even if there was, why criticize Kerry of pandering to race because one of his crewmembers who lived in SC was black? Why even bring it up? What a reach.

[dsc]

16. Please point out where I criticised Kerry in this post

In NH and IA Kerry ran an ad with a white veteran telling the viewer about Vietnam. In SC (close to 50% AA primary) the veteran was black. In heavily Hispanic AZ and NM the veteran was Hispanic. I think we would have had both media stories and posts here telling us what a disturbing panderer Dean was if it had been Dean doing this. With Kerry, it has been near silence.

Full disclosure I think it was smart marketing. Just like when Dean had AA people stand behind him at rallies. But Dean got savaged here, Kerry not a word. Why the difference?

You have, falsely stated twice now that I did. My full, uneditted post, is above. Show me where I criticised Kerry. Hint the words Kerry did x and x is bad would help. I did criticise the media and posters here. But nowhere, nowhere did I criticise Kerry.

[blm]

17. Well, is your point to ENCOURAGE criticism of Kerry based on a perception?

You say you, yourself, are not criticizing him, but, what is your goal then?

I never saw criticism of Dean's ads that had blacks in them.

Was Kerry supposed to NOT use his black crewmember in an SC ad because some jerks would perceive it as pandering?

[dsc]

18. The criticism was of Dean's appearences not his ads

It was written up in the Nation and repeatedly aired here. And my purpose, as all of my threads about media have been, is two fold.

One to show that Dean got unfair treatment and that it was devastating and two that Kerry will in the GE and that you people had better wake up.

[blm]

19. HAHA. We've already lived through crap against Kerry.

We know what he's endured from the media over the last 30+ years. We always expected it, because we lived through their vicious attempts during the BCCI and IranContra years.

Kerry is still standing. If they had the secret weapon to take him down, it would have been used to take him down years ago BEFORE he permanently tainted the legacies of Reagan and Bush.

[dsc]

20. Go ahead

whistle pass the grave yard. Dean and Kerry both were major targets in one race (Kerry 96, Dean 00). Both won several statewide races, Kerry 4, Dean 5. Both had comfortable margins in their tough races. It bears mentioning that this huge target, who was clearly going to run for President, didn't even have a Republican opponent. Dean always had one.

Yet Dean got hozed by the media once he went where people didn't know him. People don't know Kerry as well as you think. I hope you have nothing at all to do with him media strategy because if you do, and he is our nominee, we are doomed.

[blm]

21. Get real - We EXPECT a barrage of bad press because we LIVED through it

more than a few times. We KNOW what they do and are more than prepared for the onslaught.

WHO is whistling past graveyards? Maybe in YOUR reality, but certainly not mine.

[dsc]

22. whatever

I know in your world Kerry invented every thing good, did nothing wrong, and is the constant target of ungrateful ignorant Democrats, a corrupt press, and Republicans. I just hope he has some clear headed advisers because Kerry has had about the best press imaginable and no opponent at all in 2002. That won't continue.

[joshcryer]

23. The Kerry campaign is certainly politically smart on the ground.

I've never considered those first two wins anything exceptional, but they certainly gave Kerry a lead in the follower movements. This does not mean, though, that Kerry will be able to beat Bush, and I'm beginning to have my misgivings the more I read about Kerry and his flip flops.