Dean and Clark with Wolf Blitzer

[Nashyra]

I just saw a CNN preview, I knew that Dean was going to be on with Wolf Blitzer but I just Clark was going to be on also 12est/9pst

[BootinUp]

1. Thanks for the heads up

[Nashyra]

2. Hans Blix

the quote from the latest breaking news thread was just played on CNN Wolf Blitzer. That is huge especially since it was a direct response to *'s MTP

[texasmom]

3. Wolf announces that Governor Warner

has endorsed Kerry. What a gutsy move! Endorsing the front runner a couple of days before the Va. election.

Some of these endorsements are so ridiculous and transparent.

[slinkerwink]

4. it's obvious that the party establishment is trying to throw elections

to Kerry's way by prematurely endorsing him.

[pezcore64]

5. definitely

how it couldnt be obvious to others is beyond me...

EDIT:

Also, i was looking at the polls in Wisconsin


http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/2004/WIPoll.htm


and it begs the question... WHAT IN GODS NAME HAPPENED OVER A MONTH TO CHANGE IT THAT DRASTICALLY!?
Where did KERRY COME FROM!?!


Dean 33%
Lieberman 12%
Clark 11%
Gephardt 9%
Kerry 6%
Kucinich 3%
Edwards 2%
Moseley-Braun 1%
Sharpton 0%
undecided 22%

and then a month later

Kerry 45%
Dean 12%
Clark 11%
Edwards 6%
Lieberman 4%
Kucinich 3%
Sharpton 1%
other 3%
undecided 15%


WHAT HAPPENED?!

[janx]

15. I can't figure it out either. It makes no sense.

Kerry went from 6% to 45% in one month?!

[MODemocrat]

33. Just a thought, but could it be that republicans are switching over just

for the primary?

:shrug: :hi:

[phunktify]

36. It's called winning!

Why did Dean spend $31 million in IA and NH? Becuase you need to win there to go on. Is that sucha hard concept? It gives momentum, media and money and ina compressed primary year that is the most important thing at this stage in the game.

[DustMolecule]

6. I don't have enough posts to start my own thread yet, but

I watched "All the Presidents Men" last nite (it's been years since I saw it last). I found it very fascinating to watch what happened THEN with Watergate and compare/contrast to what's going on NOW.

I'm not a very good writer (obviously), but two things:

1) I would recommend that everyone watch this movie again - just for sanity's sake if nothing else!

2) In "All the President's Men" they talk about the 'Canuck Letter' and various other 'dirty tricks' that were used to discredit the Democratic candidates back then. If that is accepted as 'truth' from back then, why is it so difficult for people to accept that similar manipulations are being used today?

[maddezmom]

8. welcome to DU dustmolecule

:wave:

[chocolateeater]

18. Welcome to DU!

:toast:
I think talk of dirty tricks makes a lot of people nervous because, if our system of choosing our leaders and legisalative representatives can be so easily swayed by stuff like this, then the trust in the process is misplaced.

[DustMolecule]

30. Thank you for the nice welcomes :-)

Two more things are on my mind about Woodward & Bernstein's investigations and the movie:

1) It said (and was proven) that the Republicans were actively working to place the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE to run against Nixon! Why can't people CONSIDER that that COULD be what's happening now with Kerry....how he so strangely shot ahead of Dean and Clark, et al. for really no good apparent reason. Every time I hear about the 'electability' of Kerry, inside I hear 'that's who the repubs want/would find acceptable. If both candidates are 'theirs', then they can't lose, can they?

2) Also, from the moooovie "All the Presidents Men", Deepthroat talks about the corruption and involvement being unbelievability massive and cutting across all lines of government. If that was true, I guess the removal of a handful of men (including the President) from power probably wouldn't do too much to disband or stop that size of 'machine'.

Obviously, if Kerry ends up being the Dem nominee, I will have a hard time voting for him. But at least he can get up and actually speak properly. To reference one of Bush's most oft-quoted 'language mangles', I voted for Bush in 2000 and feel like I really got 'fooled'. I don't want 'shame on me, for getting fooled again'. I hope that we will have a REAL choice of candidates and agendas in this election, not just 'different face, same agenda'.

[chocolateeater]

35. Those are some good points.

That's why the other candidates in the race need to keep running, and why we need to continue to speak out. We need to keep reminding the Party who it is they should be representing and that is We The People, not We the Big Corporations. Dean, Clark, and Kucinich have all shown them that it is possible for the Party not to be beholden to big corporations,and we need to hold their feet to the fire to make sure they get the point.

[Jerseycoa]

20. Welcome to DU, DustMolecule

:hi:

[blm]

17. Like Gore, Harkin, Bradley, AFSCME and SEIU?

Or maybe too many were conned into thinking there was a greater organization in place then there was?

The "establishment" Dems didn't rally around Kerry because many were still angry at Kerry's exposing even the Dem powerstructures complicity in BCCI.

Surely you must be aware of that bit of recent history, slinkerwink. Joe Klein wrote about the ostracization of Kerry by many in his own party.

In fact, even Gore (unwittingly) helped out the other side by launching his censorship hearings while serious concerns for BCCI, IranContra and the S&L scandal were kept off the front page. Is that how "establishment" Dems operate? I dunno.

The establishment Dems were also not happy with Kerry's help and advocacy for the Kyoto Protocol, which the corporatists and centrists like Dean were set against at the time.

So, please learn more about the facts before you make charges that are demonstrably untrue.

[slinkerwink]

7. wolf blitzer is a total asshole......'nuff said

[pezcore64]

9. Totally agree

Indeed, but its fun to say his name in a german accent!!

[texasmom]

10. Agreed

I'm beginning to think he and Judy are worse than Faux.

[maddezmom]

11. he sure is..nuff said

[henslee]

12. "Hard questions the Prez needs to answer" -- Dean on W's mil. record!

[slinkerwink]

13. now I'm waiting for Clark to come on

[Nashyra]

14. Dean rocked on Wolfie

Where's Clark? Warner what an idiot, Levin lost alot of credibility for jumping on the bandwagon with Kerry.

[henslee]

19. Thought so too. Dean = Dignity, 4 me, (not a Deanie but sort of one now

[henslee]

16. Clark really coming on? Not many plugs.. Warner makes me puke... eom

[Nashyra]

21. 2nd hour of Wolfie

that's when Clark will be on.

[Nashyra]

22. Gawd

Warner is creepy, what a self serving pious son of a b&^%$

[BootinUp]

23. Wolfie said Clark would be on - this is a 2 hour show.

[henslee]

24. Did Clark just really say "I am only homeboy in this race" on CNN promo?!

[pezcore64]

25. no

hombre.

only hombre.

i do believe

[Anwen]

26. I thought he said "hombre"

:)

[leftchick]

27. he said..

"toughest hombre in this race"

[henslee]

28. How come the lip sync is off on Clark's words .... its irritating. eom

[Nashyra]

29. Clark has just come out with the truth

that more moderates and repukes will vote for him in the GE. Why Why Why did they not start the campaign this way. The issue has come down to electability and had he been running on this issue the whole time he would br polls ahead.

[janx]

31. Because they're running in a primary.

They're trying to appeal to Democrats, and sometimes Democrats don't like to hear that.

I don't agree with it, especially in this situation, but that's the way it went.

It's a very fine line.

[texasmom]

32. They did make that point

from the beginning, but remember that he was slimed in NH by the other candidates saying he *was* a Republican. That was the only attack they could wage on him--even though it was baseless.

[Nashyra]

34. True

I remember so many stating that it was principle not electability, now what what is the rallying call "Electablity". Oh brother. Hopefully that CNN interview with Clark will reach many voters in TN and VA