Consider this: Another theory why the media wants to anoint Kerry

[nbsmom]

Super Tuesday -- the one for the whole banana -- is March 2. That's a lot of news cycles, and so many things could happen between now and then.

Not to mention, it has occurred to me on more than one occasion that the DNC and other fund-raising organizations are getting plenty pissed that all of the $$$ that might otherwise be going to their PACs or The Anointed One is still Howard Dean's (or Wesley Clark's or John Edwards') on request. TM only wishes that his e-mails and direct mail efforts would generate millions of small-$ contributions on request.

They -- the people behind politics as usual -- are seeing their position as vulnerable, and who can blame them? Witness the spate of media stories around the 'Internet organizations (e.g., Dean) not quite ready for prime time'.

There are elements of truth in those stories, but primarily in that there are distinct advantages enjoyed by people who know how and will resort to good 'ol nasty retail politicking (paid 'volunteers', robo calls, push polling, caucus 'miscounts' ) that at the end of the day do trump well-funded, well-intentioned political newbies. This of course because the old guard knows that, once the numbers are posted on the tote board, that becomes the story...

At the end of MTP this a.m., the 'electability' question came up again, and it made me wonder once more, electable as defined by who? M-W defines it as 'capable of being elected.' Everything else is perception, which we all know is not necessarily reality.

There is some real urgency about getting the answers to this nagging questions resolved sooner than later. We will, of course, do what we have to do to get Bush out of the White House...but I don't want to short-circuit the process to achieve someone else's agenda.

With each successive news cycle it becomes more clear that it is continues to be about those political mainstays, money and power. Kerry, for all of his wins, doesn't have the support that Dean has, and he (or TM) has not been successful in convincing anyone otherwise. Pushing Dean or Clark or Edwards out of the race will not necessarily result in more money for Kerry or the PACs...and to try and win by short-circuiting, stifling or suffocating the process will only result in low voter turnout in the general election....and we have already seen how that movie ends.

[blm]

1. And the shuttle is landing....when?

Sorry, but Kerry had to actually WIN a primary BEFORE the media gave him any fair coverage.

The voters are annointing Kerry and doing so AGAINST the media's chosen annointee, Howard Dean. Hell, they were still saying Dean would win Iowa the day before the caucus.

Whose legs are you trying to pull, anyway? Go read the threads from the night before the caucus. There are a few recounting media heads predicting Dean would still win it despite the signs of Kerry's surge.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

5. true but when all is said and done

ABB for me

And yes I am a Dean suporter, but after the Primaries my candidate is ABB... and hence I am reserving my next political donation to the dog that comes on top

[blm]

6. Please provide links to these "every" studies.

And if you put up the Scaife funded CMPA, expect a howl of laughter from those of us who checked it out.

Dean was the media favorite up until the day of the first vote. Kerry was treated like a dead political body for months and everyone knows it.

Blame Kerry because he proved the media WRONG by actually WINNING. Heheh.

[Capn Sunshine]

8. Links are available on about ten tousand DU threads

That have been recurring here. It's not an issue with ME. I KNOW what happened. But those that persist in their crowd induced delusions owe it to themselves to find out the truth.

Look it up.

[blm]

11. YOU made the claim. I'm here almost every day & saw only the CMPA "study"

from Scaife posted here several times.

Can you at least remember the NAME of any of the studies you have seen here so I know what to search for?

[Octafish]

21. Got your link right here.

It's odd that for more than the last year, Howard Dean's been the favored son of the GOP-controlled mass media. Here's an article where some folks first noticed something funny going on regarding Dean's media treatment:

Is Howard Dean the Crypto-Republican Candidate?

By Norman D. Livergood

EXCERPT...

However, the major question remains: why is the Republican-owned media continuing to give Howard Dean multi-million dollar media attention? That's the question no one's asking.

Dean made the covers of both Time and Newsweek, was interviewed by Larry King, was the subject of a US News Special, and receives continuing major coverage on all the "news" channels: MSNBC, CNN, and Fox.

Even Dean's campaign manager, Joe Trippi, appeared on CNBC's Capital Report, was interviewed on Fox News' Fox Facts, and was interviewed on CNN's Inside Politics--all in July, 2003. Why is Dean the only Democratic candidate to be given this kind of coverage?

The Republicans and their media hirelings would have us believe that they're giving Dean the spotlight because he's an Internet phenomenon, that he's the leading Democratic contender, and because he represents the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" (a line Dean stole from the late Senator Paul Wellstone). None of the media's claims are true.

CONTINUED (describes how Dean is ideal candidate for Bush to beat)...

http://www.hermes-press.com/dean_republican.htm

[blm]

32. Thanks, Octafish.

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[loyalsister]

16. How is it then

that someone such as myself, VERY active in the local Democratic party doesn't know a single person in my area who liked Kerry?

[blm]

17. I don't know. Is your area a mainstream area?

Is it dominated by Democrats who are unaware that Kerry is the lawmaker who worked to expose Reagan and Bush on BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning?

Is it dominated by Democrats who are unawre that Kerry has the highest overall liberal ratings and is the best environmentalist in the race?

I don't know. Maybe you can explain.

[loyalsister]

19. A liberal haven in MO

We even tried to decriminalize marijuana last spring. It's a college town. Pop= 80'000 with a large university and two small colleges. Educated International population surrounded by some rural towns. Most people hate Gep here. Quite a few Dean voters. He was second in my county.
Some of the rank and file I know voted for Kerry based on "electability," but the anti-war movement is huge and noone wanted an enabler or supporter. They especially don't want someone who expects them to believe a line of BS. Edwards got endorsements from our County Commission and two state reps. They couldn't stand listening to Kerry run from his vote and, they are the more "Southern" of our elected officials. Some have been attracted to Dean, but probably voted for Kerry.

[blm]

20. Well, I guess the media influence would make some think that about Kerry.

That is the impression created most of last year. Fortunately some journalists retracted their statements and admitted they misjudged Kerry on his war stance.

I wonder if they read Daily Howler rake writers over the coals for trying to say Kerry waffled. MWO did a pretty good job, too, of pointing out the media lies.

[loyalsister]

24. These are elected officials

not people who just get information about candidates through a filter. They are not satisfied with the way Kerry equivocates when he speaks. He did run from that vote. Most idiots knew the IWR was a gimmick to get the public to go along with it. "If congress will okay this thing, the WH will have less of a problem justifying it." People here forget Bush could have legally attacked without their approval. His problem was it would have been a problem for his approval ratings and reelection chances. What they actually used was "you're unpatriotic if you aren't feeling veangful a want to go to war" on Kerry and he went for it.

[Calico4000]

35. Ever hear of the war powers act?

Bush COULD have attacked with out congress approving it. BUT he would be screwed come 90 days when under law he would be required to bring them home. He HAD to have congressional approval. It was the only way he could maintain an occupation force.

[xxqqqzme]

22. Xpose raygun and poppy????

and Saddam gassed his own people......blah blah blah.....yadda...yadda....yadda. I hate 2 tell U but this IS 2004?

[bain_sidhe]

26. "BCCI! IranContra! CIA drugrunning!" - What's he done lately??

It's like a mantra with you guys. "BCCI! IranContra! CIA drugrunning!" Yeah, good work, props to Kerry and all that, but those were, what, 10-15 years ago? Seems to me he's resting on his laurels a bit. And you know what they say, nothing's harder on your laurels than resting on them.

[blm]

28. You're wrong. They have everything to do with 9-11 and Iraq.

Same group of characters, too. He wrote a book about terror funding by international governments in 1997, The New War.

btw...he was putting in 10 years working on the Kyoto Protocol with other world leaders, and worked alot with Clinton who sought his advice often.

Why refuse to recognize it? Why pretend he never did anything?

and BTW...there is a BCCI trial going on in England that just started 2 weeks ago. BCCI is still current whether you acknowledge it or not. Another trial comes up in June.

[bain_sidhe]

30. You misunderstood my question

Yes, I know BCCI is still relevant. By all accounts, they've been "relevant" for 50 years, and given their power, will probably still be relevant for the next fifty. My point is, Kerry supporters always point to those things when trying to portray Kerry and his record. But those things - his work on those things - were a decade ago. Why don't you point to more recent work on things that are "fresher" to most of us. His work on the Kyoto protocals is one such item. What else?

[blm]

33. Why don't you study his record?

He worked alot with Clinton on foreign policy and domestic issues.

www.johnkerry.com

[Capn Sunshine]

2. I for one will work for the nominee

but unless there is a HUGE FUCKING APOLOGY AND MEA CULPA from the party for their behavior since W took office I'm going to keep funding MoveOn and the Dean campaign's eventual incarnation as a 527.

That's not a lot to ask. An acknowlegement that they owe us an apology for their shameful conduct.

Do that, then we'll talk. But as a Dem party bundler who put well over 100 k into party coffers the last election cycle, I want to feel like I'm getting something besides taken for granted.

[Old and In the Way]

10. You want the Democratic Party to apologize for the SCOTUS

handing Bush the election? :eyes:

Perhaps, we should all look in the collective mirror and blame ourselves for not getting out en masse in Florida and confronting the Republican goons who stopped the recount.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

4. The voters are anointing Kerry, and the media is reporting it.

[Virgil]

9. The media needs busting up

I do not want to slice and dice any one aspeect of news coverage. I want the issue of the media to be that there is too much concentration into the control of 5 conglomerates. The issue before me is corruption in government and we see that when they let this happen in the first place. The conglomerates passed over the 35% rule and nothing happens. If someone is smoking pot he gets busted and is told that is the law even if it is stupid {and also brought to you by corruption of goverment's mission and Constitutional powers}. But with the media companies, they sanction the overstepping knowing that the feds will change the law to accommodate the whoring media.

Who is speaking to the heart of this issue? Who will change this wrong? It looks like the answer is nobody will.

[adadem]

12. God forbid

the voters of America should choose the candidate...they are so stupid to be brainwashed by the media. As I recall, it was the media calling Kerry "doomed" a few months back. It was Dean's to lose and that's exactly what he did. The people are speaking up with their votes.

[maddezmom]

7. If it was up to the media, we'd have a brokered convention

Think of all the money they'd make off of TV, Radio and print advertising.

BTW, I think it's the people at this point that are making John Kerry the annointed, not the media.

[adadem]

13. And that's

exactly what the pugs want. Divide and conquer.

[Old and In the Way]

14. Thank you.

"BTW, I think it's the people at this point that are making John Kerry the annointed, not the media."

I know this myth is designed to make voters question Kerry's authenticity, but I wholeheartedly agree that this is a voter movement unencumbered by what the collective media thinks.

BTW, I'd really be happy to see Clark do well. However it turns out, I want to see Clark as an important voice in the next Democratic administration.

[maddezmom]

23. I want Clark to be President

but I'm also a realist and know how the media works. Clark isn't winning states, so he's not going to have to share the limelight with the other non-front runners.

It's about profits, not necessarily the news. Kerry is winning now so he gets the media attention, but they wrote him off months ago and now are eating crow.

[bigtree]

15. Votes already cast matter.

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[DrFunkenstein]

18. Why Didn't They Want To Annoint Him Earlier?

The media was pretty brutal on Kerry until his crushing victories in Iowa and New Hampshire.

[bread_and_roses]

25. I really have to question

how you arrive at this conclusion:

" Kerry, for all of his wins, doesn't have the support that Dean has, and he (or TM) has not been successful in convincing anyone otherwise... by short-circuiting, stifling or suffocating the process will only result in low voter turnout in the general election....and we have already seen how that movie ends."

How do you count support except by votes? And my understanding is that turn-out in the primaries has been "huge." Which would seem to me to bode well for above-average turn-out in the general, which should benefit the Dems.

Kerry is not my first choice, but I am very encouraged by the Primaries thus far.

[Nicholas_J]

27. Occam's Razor is more likely than convoluted conspiracy theories"

OCCAM'S RAZOR
Computing Dictionary

Definition: The English philosopher, William of Occam (1300-1349) propounded Occam's Razor:

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

(Latin for "Entities should not be multiplied more than necessary"). That is, the fewer assumptions an explanation of a phenomenon depends on, the better it is.

For example, some claim that God caused himself to exist and also caused the universe to exist - he was the "first cause" - whereas Occam's Razor suggests that if one accepts the possibility of something causing itself then it is better to assume that it was the universe that caused itself rather than God because this explanation involves fewer entities.

The negation of Occam's Razor would suggest that an arbitrarily complex explanation is just as good as the simplest one. (E.g. God and his cat created a robot called Sparky who built the universe from parts bought from a shop in another dimension).

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/computing/occam's+razor

So applying Occams Razor to this campaign, the simplest conclusion is that the public doesnt think Dean is competent enough to be president, adn that the other candidates to not meet up to their standards fopr president by varying degrees.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

29. maybe just maybe it has something to do with thiss..

Top Contributors - John Kerry - All Election Cycles

(Statistics* from the Center for Responsive Politics at www.opensecrets.org)

1. Mintz, Levin et al - $223,996
http://www.mintz.com/clients/

2. Time Warner (CNN) - $145,210
http://www.timewarner.com/senior_management/index.adp

3. Skadden, Arps et al - $122,400
http://216.44.201.143/skadweb/siteindex.htm

.......

[GalleryGod]

31. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry In-ter-es-tinnnnnnnng But...

:dunce:

Thanks for your thoughts though...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

34. The media is reporting that the voters are anointing Kerry.

Sorry but your claim that Dean has more support than Kerry is not backed up by any evidence whatsover.

Dean has not won any elections, and he isn't leading in any polls. There is no evidence that he has more support than Kerry.