Both CNN and MSNBC are now covering the story about replacing Dean at the DNC.

[flpoljunkie]

Am listening to CNN. Tucker Carlson said he would be covering it after the break.

[William769]

1. Could it be he's considering a run in 2008?

[JuniperLea]

2. Beat me to it!

That's what I'm thinking...

[fooj]

5. No. Carville is trying to squeeze him out.

Rat bastard needs to take his treasonous hag and get the hell out of our party.

[ewagner]

8. Agrreed and I'm pissed

the DLC is trying to muscle in on what was Dean's successes (the 50 state strategy paid off in a big way evn though the DLC types hated the idea.)

Carville's biggest problem is he believes in that line from Dante's Inferno where Beelezubub says:

It's better to reign in hell than serve in heavan.

Carville wants to reign the Democratic party even if it means defeat....

this is bullshit, James.......knock this crap off.....

[SharonAnn]

25. We've got some local Dems like that. They want all the Democratic

Party power here, even though there isn't any.

Can't get anyone elected, but can change anything.

Sigh!

[demokatgurrl]

40. Carville has no power!

He's just a political hack, a hired gun, a loudmouth. He can't fire anyone, and has no leverage to pressure the party. If Dean steps down, it will be of his own accord. If he is pushed, it won't be by Carville. Carville is a media shil.

[ProfessorPlum]

64. Hate to be pedantic

That paraphrase is from Milton's Paradise Lost. Dante's Satan doesn't speak at all.

Otherwise, I agree with you 100% - talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. The DLC is mad that someone actually had a victory by appealing to citizens, instead of corporations. It is insanity.

[ewagner]

68. Thanks for the correction....

It's said memory is the second thing to go and I can't remember what the first is....

:rofl:

Thanks

It's been a long time since I read either Inferno or Paradise Lost

[OzarkDem]

18. Carville's not even a Democrat

he has no say on the matter and certainly has no credibility on this issue.

[Totally Committed]

57. Carville is on Team Hillary.........

First, she went after Kerry for his "gaff", and now someone on her team is going after Dean. I think they're trying to eliminate the competition before the real scraps begin.

You heard it here first.

TC

[Catchawave]

31. My first thought too.

But I doubt it, I think he was wildly successful with his 50-state strategery :)

Even though I b*tched about it and never donated a cent to the DNC, only directly to candidates....:D

[Old and In the Way]

3. Big mistake for the leadership to let this story get legs in the Republican media.

This is meant to sow strife and discord....if Schumar and Emmanual don't unite behind Dean, they'll ignite a firestorm that'll only benefit Republicans in 2008.

[Epiphany4z]

4. Fox is saying

Dean is going to step down...read on that site that shall remain nameless....i know i feel dirty..but I had to look.

[flpoljunkie]

6. Wolf: Dean has been vindicated with his 50 state strategy. King immediately touted Rahm, Schumer.

John King also said the Democrats had to stay away from "god, guns, and gays." No problem, Mr. King, the Democrats control Congress and, therefore, the agenda!

[fooj]

10. All of this Rahm, Schumer shit is making me dizzy.

They heap so much self-adulation upon themselves they are going to drown in it. Ugh....

[w4rma]

51. They seem opportunistic to me. (nt)

[wisteria]

38. Don't trust King. n/t

[NashVegas]

63. Where Does King Think the "God, guns and gays," Line Came From?

That's pure Howard!

[Cass]

7. WTF? This is unreal. We take the House and Senate under Dean's leadership and they're itching to

ditch him? That's screwed up.

[LSparkle]

9. This story is being floated to cover for Horseface Mehlman

stepping down at RNC. It won't seem so much like Kenny Boy was fired if Dr. Dean is *supposedly* stepping down at the same time. If anything, this would be typical of the Dems -- get rid of one of your greatest assets WHEN YOU'RE AHEAD!

Sickening if this is true. I agree with another poster; anyone who continues to abide Lying Sack Matalin is NOT (repeat NOT) to be trusted. Carville is a dyed-in-the-wool Clintonite DLC'er ... HE's the one who needs to step down from whatever soapbox he's been given.

[The Count]

14. Bingo! "They all get replaced" meme. I was typing same time as you.

[flpoljunkie]

16. I really don't think Carville is trying to cover for Mehlman, but he may be using it to fire Dean.

[Le Taz Hot]

28. Carville can't fire Dean

Only the Delegates can do that and, seriously, I see ABSOLUTELY NO chance of that happening. I just finished a term on the California Executive Board last year and Dean was immensely popular THEN. There's no reason he shouldn't be even more popular now.

Ignore Carville, he's a non-entitity shilling for Hillary.

[flpoljunkie]

37. But he and those he represents can try and put outside pressure on the DNC folks. Hope you're right.

[Le Taz Hot]

54. Oh, they'll put pressure on alright

and they have the media to help them do it. But the netroots have emerged twice now as a MAJOR power and money base. WE have to push back even harder. These bozos are 10 years behind the times and as a result, they continue to underestimate us and that gives us a great advantage.

[dansolo]

65. They already tried that, and failed

Dean's position now is even stronger than it was before. Dean has done what he promised, and it resulted in large local Democratic gains. Emmanual and Schumer can try and claim credit for the victories at the federal level, but Dean's strategy had the most effect on the down ticket races. And these are the type of people that comprise the DNC. They are not going to vote Dean out now.

[Cha]

32. Like that fucking traitor asshole

can fire anybody. Nothing against you.

[KittyWampus]

30. LSparkle PLEASE post a thread saying just this. I think you've got it!

Cover for Mehlman's sorry ass performance and departure and being outed...

AND sow dissension amongst Democrats.

[Frank Cannon]

11. This is insane. Dean helped us take the whole country back

This whole story smacks of the most purulent cow excrement imaginable. I don't buy it for a second.

[The Count]

12. Losers want to saw dissent, we need to support Dean and ignore the whores

MSM and their masters want payback for mehlman (and the "thumping"), we really need to make it clear who deserves the credit. What was Carville's address again?

[mitchtv]

Replace Dean with anti gay DINO Ford?

No money for you

[The Count]

15. With anyone????? When he did it????

[Barack_America]

13. I think that I see what the DLC's angle is...

...it's wrong, of course, but I think I see what they're getting at.

They think that the fact this election was won by moderates means that it was a victory for them. That Dean's 50 State Plan spread their message or something.

Here's why I think it's wrong. Dean's plan won their votes, and action speaks louder than words. Tough shit that the message got through to centrists, he was still the messenger. I doubt that it's Dean's plan to encourage these newly won voters to stay centrist, the DNC will over time, and with realization of the Dem agenda, try to move these people further and further left. They hoping that the centrist mentality is born out of distrust towards both parties. And they're hoping that if the Dems can convince voters that they're moving the country in the right direction that they might lure them to the left.

I don't think that I like the DLC's position. They seem to worship the center because that's where the votes are. I think that you have to go beyond that and try to redefine the center. There will always be a center, but political parties should work to shift it either to the left or to the right. It seems to me that they are just catering to it.

I might be wrong, but that's the impression that I get.

[struggle4progress]

39. Distinguish between the DLC centrist rhetoric and what their real agenda is:

(1) the US really is a centrist country, that dislikes extremists, so there's no good argument against centrist politics; but
(2) the DLC actually pushes a pro-mega-corporation laissez-faire anti-social-program agenda that most Americans don't agree with, and it does so by describing most of us as "extremists," the same "liberal-bashing" game that the rightwing has played constantly since the Reagan era.

The DLC strategy will win some elections, as the Clinton era clearly demonstrated, but it does so by stealing rightwing issues and thus drives the political center to the right. That's part of the reason we lost Congress during the Clinton era and lost the next two Presidential elections.

Sure, we should be centrist: it's the only way to win, and it's what functional democracy requires. But -- constantly pandering to the conservatives and beating up on the liberals doesn't count as centrism.

[progressive_realist]

41. I think you are right. n/t

[benEzra]

56. The thing is, the DLC isn't as centrist as they think they are...

a lot of DLCers supported the administration's 4th-amendment-violating policies. That's not centrist, IMHO.

The DLC was the group that was so OBSESSED with banning more people's guns, way more so than the party at large (and helped cost the party the House, Senate, and presidency in the first place). That's not centrist.

Dean's strategy WORKED. Schumer is a divisive figure. I don't see Dean getting replaced (at least I hope not).

[OzarkDem]

17. The GOP are the only ones who want to replace Dean

Democrats are very pleased with his success this week. I'm sure that's a very big threat to the GOP, hence all the bullshit rumors.

[AtomicKitten]

20. you are correct, mam

much ado about nothing - except maybe a launching pad for people to go off on those Dems they don't like

[karynnj]

19. This is outrageous

Dean is the person who deserves the most credit for this win. Two weeks ago, Carville pushed the stupid Dean needs to borrow lots of money idiocy and am I being cynical when I say that he or his allies likely were behind the "HeyJohn" nonsense.

The Clinton/Carville/Schumer paople look worse the closer you see them. I guess the Democratic wing of the party needs to look out from the same swiftboat attacks from them as from the Republicans. They are disgusting.

[robinlynne]

67. How can we get rid of Carville? What can we do?

[partylessinOhio]

21. Better to get impeachment into the news and also remember the troops

are still dying.

Three U.S. troops die in Iraq; cell leader arrested

By Christopher Bodeen Associated Press Writer
Friday, November 10, 2006 12:21 PM PST

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Two U.S. soldiers and a Marine were killed in Iraq, the U.S. military said today, bringing the number of Americans who have died in the country so far this month to 23.

Iraqi security forces said they arrested the head of an al-Qaida cell in a western Iraqi city.

The two American soldiers, assigned to the 89th Military Police Brigade, died when the vehicle they were traveling in was hit by a roadside bomb Thursday in western Baghdad, the U.S. command said. Another soldier was wounded, it added.
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The Marine, assigned to Regimental Combat Team 5, died Thursday from wounds suffered in fighting in Anbar province. At least 11 of the 23 American deaths in November were in Anbar province. Most of the others died in the Baghdad area. ...

http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2006/11/10/news/news11111006.txt

[madrchsod]

22. god is the msm desperate for anything

to bury the fact that they are on the wrong side of the fence. now they will find out just how fucking tough the democrats are really are when they control the agenda

[blm]

23. Just like they pumped up the NONSTORY about Kerry - Dean and Kerry were set to be taken out

by the COVERUP wing of the party with a boost from BushInc and his mediawhores.

[Cha]

33. No screaming this time..just a vibrant,

"BOOYA!! So carville sets himself up to be THE SCREAM!


I know it's just corporatewhoremedia and the dlcers in bed together. Otherwise why would they have that fucking hasbeen carville's mug on the screen all the time?

[blm]

34. And McAuliffe, too. They planned this for a long time. All those little snarky antiDean remarks

over the last two years made some of us take notice long ago, and we predicted they would use their inside media thugs to work against both Dean and Kerry. Carville and Begala worked both CNN and the NBCs as insiders at both.

I wish I had been proven wrong - but unfortunately, I wasn't.

[Cha]

36. Good thing..they're the dinosaurs and

we are the METEORITES! :nuke:

[DemBones DemBones]

24. Carville is sleeping with the enemy, after all. Dean has done a fine job and

the job is his as long as he wants it, AFAIC. (And I was opposed to him in the 2004 primaries.)


In the next few days, we need to dropkick Carville back to the bayou, make it clear Dean stays as DNC chair and that the DLC is a small faction to which we are not beholden.

[Cha]

35. YEah, I know you were..

:) Thanks for those comments, Dem Bones.

[cadmium]

26. This reveals where the efforts to put down Kerry and undermine Gore

over the past 6 years came from--the Carville affilliated hacks. Look it's the same echo chamber. Ironically I am listening to the radio as I type this and George Bush 1 and Bill Clinton come on for a charity commercial together.

[politicasista]

27. Wow

Not only did they not do enough to help Kerry, but they did not do anything to help Gore either.

[cadmium]

29. I get the feeling they fight first against

other Democrats and then as a second priority against Republicans.

dailyhowler.com is an interesting blog that meticulously documents the supposed "liberal media" undermining Democrats. He focuses mostly on the way they painted Gore as silly during the 2000 campaign. Myself -- now that I have been paying more attention see them do this to Kerry and Dean all the time too.

[snot]

42. That's why we MUST restore restrictions on media consolidation --

so long as the media are owned by conservatives, they will continue to howl at Dems for no reason and fawn on Repubs who deserve impeachment or worse.

[Tigress DEM]

46. Yeah, the list keeps getting longer. sigh

[OzarkDem]

61. Oy, we have Dems in our local party who are like that

They would much rather try to build a silly "political machine" to fight other Dems than fight the Republicans. Its usually about patronage - developing little political fiefdoms so they can control jobs for their friends and families. Its so incredibly boring and counterproductive.

[buddysmellgood]

43. This is a ploy to rally even more support for Dean...and it's working!

[Seabiscuit]

44. Guess what, folks - don't get your panties into such a bunch:

This is nothing but right-wing sore-loser CRAP! Because they've been left with nothing to say. Nothing. Nothing at all.

[Tigress DEM]

45. UNLESS Dean is going to head over to the Progressive Party.

Unless we are going to see the elimination of the Rethug party and have DEMS and Progressives as the Center/Conservative DEM party and the Progressive Party making a new left vanguard... so it would really be changing the political landscape by shifting the entire discussion away from the far right and making two viable parties to leave no room for the fanatical Rethug party.

I KNOW Dean did a good job, but he had to fight a lot with the DNC & DLC for common sense. Herding cats and all that. IF he could do this good of job with the DNC & DLC fighting against him, how much more could he do with people that were supportive?

[seasat]

47. Carville realizes that he's no longer relevant.

That is the reason that he's attacking Dean. His strategy is what led to Clinton's presidency. However, after criticizing Dean's 50 state strategy, he finds out that it works better than his run to the right strategy. It means that people will no longer pay him the big bucks as a consultant. He's attacking dean out of ego and protecting his franchise with our party.

[w4rma]

50. Carville's strategy also gave us Zell Miller, who had a part in our "loss" in 2004. (nt)

[OzarkDem]

59. Bingo

These folks have to protect their jobs.

[dansolo]

66. Carville had little to do with Clinton's victory

Clinton won on pure charisma and political skill. He was also bouyed by a sagging economy.

[madfloridian]

48. Amazing...Kathleen Parker gives Dean credit...more than his party does.

She is a columnist with the Orlando Sentinel, syndicated. I seldom read her columns, they are too much too the right. So this surprised me...world turned topsy turvy. The Dem leaders are avoiding mentioning Dean's name, (well, except Carville), and she is complimenting him.

Not only that, it is a very good article.

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/opinions/ci_4639221
Win or lose, democracy is still standing

"AND now, ladies and gentleman, a final round of applause for the real winners of the midterm elections: The American people, democracy and, yes, Howard Dean. Whether their candidates won or lost, Americans can't but feel grateful for a nation and a system of government that allows us every few years to peaceably reinvent ourselves.

Finally, it was Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who really won Tuesday with his 50-state strategy. While others in his party wanted to spend money on candidates, Dean insisted on rebuilding the party's infrastructure.

As one insider put it to me: "Dean's greatest weakness \ became his greatest strength."

Dean spent millions paying and training staff in states where there was little or no party structure. The good doctor accurately diagnosed what ailed his party and produced the cure. He built the party, and the people came.

What the Democrats will do with their vote of confidence remains to be seen. We know what we know about power, and hubris is a nonpartisan opportunist. Where Republicans have wound up - corrupt and scandal-ridden -- Democrats have been before.

And, of course, there's always the problem for the dog once he catches the car. Now what?"

[w4rma]

49. Dean better not be forced out as Chairman of the DNC. I'll be *pissed*.

I'll go on a rampage against anyone I think might have had a hand in that.

Now, I'll go and research some and find out if anyone other than that leaker Carville is stupid enough to push this.

[OzarkDem]

58. It won't happen

Dem leadership would look incredibly foolish if they tried to do something like that. Besides, they like the idea of winning and they surely must know they have to stick with the person who helped make that happen.

[McCamy Taylor]

52. Why?

[CJCRANE]

53. I heard on BBC radio

that Howard Dean will be a consultant for Labour in the next UK General Elections.

[OzarkDem]

60. Wow, that's what Clinton's campaigners and strategists used to do

after Clinton was elected, many of them (mostly from the DLC crowd) were sent to England to work with the Labor Party on their elections.

No wonder Carville is upset, he and his friends are losing out on a big financial opportunity.

[ProSense]

55. This statement by Carville is outrageous:

The praise from Mr. Romney was echoed in an unsolicited call from James Carville, a veteran Democratic operative who is married to Mary Matalin, a veteran Republican strategist.

“The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year,” Mr. Carville said, referring to the Democratic National Committee.

He said Democrats succeeded because the party’s House and Senate campaign committees compensated for what Mr. Carville described as the shortcomings of the Democratic National Committee, allowing the party to take advantage of a wave of voter resentment directed at Republicans.

“When one of these things hit, it doesn’t matter who the party chairman is,” he said.

:wtf:

[Cha]

70. carville thinks the rnc did a better job cause

his wifey mary matlin told him to say that.

[mom cat]

62. If the Dems squese out Dean after the stunning win, then we will know that

they are hopelessly suicidal, hopelessly sold out or both!

[TheJollyNihilist]

69. Dean helped on Election Day

Dean helped kick some ass on Election Day. He should be thanked and kept on board, so he can continue to do great work for the party.