Dean responds to Carville via Karen Finney of the DNC

[madfloridian]

DEAN RESPONDS Via TNR, Howard Dean spokeswoman Karen Finney emails the following in response to James Carville's comments below:

"After the Republicans have admitted to a thumping, why is it that the only one complaining on the Democratic side is James Carville, who today in addition to trashing Howard Dean, praised the RNC, the outfit that brought us the racist ad that defeated Harold Ford, James' supposed candidate for Chair? Perhaps he's not aware that under Dean in this midterm election the DNC has raised record cash --- all hard dollars -- including three times as much from major donors, eight times as much online and made a $30 million investment in the '06 cycle, three times as much as the DNC put into the last midterm. Not to mention we made an $8m overhaul of our voter file which was successfully used in 47 states and through the 50 state strategy invested in states like Pennsylvania, Kansas, Indiana and Montana where we had critical victories on Tuesday."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/10/135231/90

[The Count]

1. Snap! K&R

[Divine Discontent]

106. REALLY!

I mean, normally, I'd put some 2 paragraph post here chastising Dean's unfair treatment from Carville who didn't do even close to as much as Howard, but SNAP! can only be topped by saying,


OH, SNAP!

great post.


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[Clark2008]

113. I have a dog named Snap. LOL!

Oh, SNAP!

:7

[bunkerbuster1]

2. I love the suggestions for contacting Mr. Carville:

"Tell James how wrong he is: [e-mail] but be civil. You may remind him of how he was a Traitor in 2004:..."

Yeppers, be civil, but make sure to remind him what a traitor he is!

(Just enjoying a chuckle here, folks. Carville often annoys me, FWIW.)

[elehhhhna]

95. Mine:

Trashing the party? You’ve been listening to your wife too long. Perhaps you got your talking point memos mixed up?

No respect here anymore, sir.

One of your biggest (now EX) supporters,

E XXXX

[truedelphi]

3. Gatekeeper Carville? Yep, GateKeeper Carville n/t

[fooj]

4. Good catch.

I wish that pitbull would take his treasonous hag and get the hell out of our party.

[warrens]

5. This infighting always puzzles me

It ain't like Carville wants his job.

[madfloridian]

7. We knew it was coming.

When you try to shift the power base, it happens.

[ReadTomPaine]

32. Bingo. It was now or never for some. n/t

[blm]

60. The coverup wing of the party wants to get rid of every anti-corruption Democrat.

Bush1 needed Clinton1 to close the books on his crimes. Bush2 needs Clinton2 to continue the coverup.

[suziedemocrat]

62. Ever since the tidal wave in Asia, I've wondered about the Bush/Clinton connection.

Something tells me Hilary is a favorite of the same "evil doers" that support Bush. The whole Clinton/Bush thing just smells fishy to me.

[sce56]

100. BINGO!

How about the Mena Ar. Drug connection? Drugs = CIA = Bush crime family! I remember the love fest at the opening of the Clinton Library Bush Sr was gushing over Clinton!

October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!

[gully]

26. Especially when we just won - BIG!

?

[Larkspur]

6. Howard Speaks for Me!!!!!

[William769]

8. I love James Carville!

Until today. :grr:

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

22. That's me too. Buh Bye Carville.

I'm done with you.

I'm done with the DLC too, for that matter.

[blondeatlast]

9. Warning: blondeatlast uses the word FUCK 4 times in this post.

DUers well know I'm not a Dr. Dean fan, but gawdammit--HE WON both Houses for us, plus a handful of governorships.

SHUT THE FUCK UP, CARVILLE. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.

(Yes, blondeatlst just wrote FUCK four times, a word I avoid like plague. When I use it, watch out. Heavy objects may be flying around the room soon.)

[tsuki]

24. You may not be a Dr. Dean fan, but you realize that Carville

just dissed everyone in the grassroots movement. He made the point that only the Democratic Party elitists in the House and Senate made a difference covering up the mistakes of the DNC and the grassroots.

[blondeatlast]

29. What part of my "SHUT THE FUCK UP, CARVILLE!" may I explain

to you?

[tsuki]

56. Well as far as I am concerned, he can STFU AFTER he apologies

to me and everyone I know that worked their jobs and were on the ground running, working for change.

[Cha]

74. Yeah, carville and his ilk sit up

there on their corporatemediawhore pedestals and think they can't be touched by the grassy networks that voted the Dems into their seats.

[DemBones DemBones]

109. Well said!!! DUers also well know that I was not a fan of Dean for prez;

HOWEVER he has done a good job as DNC chair, leading the party to victory this year. Not Carville, not Rahm Emmanuel, not the DLC.

Results count, James. What have you done for us lately? Oh, yeah, I read that you called dear Mary on election night 2004 when you learned Kerry was not going to concede but was going to investigate the voting "irregularities" in Ohio, and passed that info along to her, which led to W calling Ken Blackburn, the Katherine Harris of Ohio. . . Some friend you are!

[MODemocrat]

114. Isn't James Carville a Johnny-come-lately?

Seriously, what did Carville do to help Harold Ford, Jr. or any other Democratic candidate? I think my
husband may have a point; in that he feels that Carville is afraid his wife, Mary Matlin will be in
a lot of trouble, now that the Democrats have won; and he wants Howard Dean out of the picture. Dean
doesn't play favorites or pull any punches, and that could be a concern for Matlin.

We won the House and the Senate, for heaven's sake, what more does Carville want? He's not in the spot
light, and he's furious. :nopity: :nopity: :spank: :spank: :shrug: :shrug:

[RamboLiberal]

10. Honored to be the 5th Recommended - I already emailed DLC

And after work I intend to contact Carville. I want to find a polite way to tell Carville to shut the fuck up. And to tell him that while I love Hillary that as a candidate in '08 I believe it would guarantee a loss. Hillary is too polarizing and besides I don't appreciate her vote or support for the war.

Dean's 50 state strategy paid off and will continue to pay off in the future.

[dweller]

14. tell Carville to

put the wastebasket back over his head.

dp

[dae]

15. and would you please advise him at least one DUer from

Louisiana agrees with you!
Thanks.

[KatieB]

83. Let's talk Gore into running for President

He'd sweep the country!

[mitchtv]

11. Done

added "Howard Dean speaks for me"

[movonne]

12. I'm livid over this crap...they just can't let us enjoy this win...and

never again will give money to any of the dem party...I will give to individual candidates..

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. Nip it in the bud

End of story.

[OzarkDem]

16. Carville is nuts

I used to admire him, but he's obviously working for the GOP now. After this, it would be difficult to trust his judgement on any political matter.

I hope the news media stops presenting him as a representative of our party. He's not.

[kansasblue]

17. Bitch slapped into next week nt

[madfloridian]

18. Markos tells Carville...you want a fight? There are more of us.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/10/135814/54

Kos is right. This is not surprising, but it is sickening.

[HootieMcBoob]

19. James Carville can bite my ass n/t

:freak:

[Coexist]

20. Howard Dean's birthday is November 17th.... He'll be 58 - I know what he would like:

what say we all send in 20.08 (for the difference his presence will make in the 2008 elections.

(Idea lifted from the comments section of that diary: we need to do something BIG that will get some media coverage - like Barbara Boxer's flowers. How about instead of just sending money over the internet on his birthday - we send him a snail mail birthday card with a check for $20.08 in it. I want something physical to show that Howard Dean - not fucking James Carville - speaks for me.)

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or do it online and wish him a Happy Birthday by phone.

[robinlynne]

52. or how about a very simple DEAN speaks for me postcard, thousands sent to

dem headquarters. or even emails, with a website like we did once before.

[angel823]

21. me thinks he doth protest to much

Here's my email to Mr. C:

"Howard Dean is the best thing that's happened to the Democratic Party since Clinton's first presidential campaign. Remember? When you still had a pair? Ask your wife if you can have them back now.

If Dean is somehow forced out, you guys from the DLC Elite club better pucker up and be ready to kiss some corporation butt real good, because you will not see another dime from me, or from a great number of other individual contributors.

It's the grassroots, stupid."

[w13rd0]

23. So James Carville...

...the one married to Mary Matalin, the one that "gave away the farm" in 2004. The one that wore a wastebucket on his head when his friend was in charge of the DNC back in 2002...we should take HIS advice? Wow, that's almost as bad as asking the guys that funded the Mujahadeen and propped up Saddam what we should do to fight the Mujahadeen and take down Saddam...and we know how well THAT has worked out.

James Carville, you are DEAD TO ME, fuck off...

[renate]

25. I hope that if Kos and DU are saying "Carville needs to shut the f* up,"

... this isn't a fight Carville will win.

Sheesh, how ungrateful he is. Who needs enemies with people like him around?

[AtomicKitten]

27. **

This is yet another epic internet misrepresentation of the facts.

[tkmorris]

53. No it isn't

I'm not sure why you find it important to defend Carville on this, but it isn't going to fly.

Your point seems to be that Carville didn't say unequivocally "Dean needs to be replaced as DNC chair, right now, and replaced by Harold Ford". While you are correct, he didn't say that, he implied it pretty clearly. There really isn't any other way to interpret his remarks, if you are being honest with yourself. Please note that I am referring to more than his comments on CNN.

It is clear to me that your defense of Carville is more about advancing the agenda of a small group within the party than about the truth. You aren't stupid; you know what Carville is saying. So if you want to defend him do it. Don't spin his comments, tell us why he is right.

Start with this. Do you agree that the RNC did a better job in the 2006 campaign than the DNC did? Please explain why you think so.

[AtomicKitten]

I'm hardly

defending Carville; I am merely pointing out the grotesquely overlooked fact that he did not say what he is alleged to have said. You've gone off on a tangent assuming I'm taking sides on a faux issue when my point is clearly that Carville in fact did not call for ousting Dean as DNC chair.

Often at DU, people will post a baseless accusation, this time based on a blog entry that makes a pretty breathtaking extrapolation and insinuates Carville said something he did not, when the real agenda of the poster is to go off on a bent against an entity, this time Carville who represents the Clintons to many here that don't like the Clintons.

If you are genuinely interested in my position, I admire qualities in many Democrats; they are like family to me. I don't care to take sides in in-party fighting, and the fact that I don't is often misconstrued, as you have done, for me taking sides with the one that is being hammered here at DU. IMO this is a nonissue fabricated entirely out of thin air for the purpose of furthering this on-going bad blood within the party that I have no interest in engaging in. What I do have an interest in, however, is the truth; that is my prerogative. You can believe whatever you want and carry on with the pile-on; that is your prerogative.

[papau]

94. Well said - :-)

:-)

[Divine Discontent]

107. could you change that avatar for some of us, please

that have problems with vision and things bouncing around, right around the words we're reading, are very distracting and sometimes cause mild pain. I would really appreciate it.

[Gato Moteado]

28. the fundraising was unbelievable....but what about the victories????

we didn't lose a single incumbent seat and we gained back the house (big time) AND the senate. that had to be historical.

[BlueInPhilly]

30. Maybe he needed to say something

so he wouldn't have to sleep on the couch tonight. I bet wifey is pretty pissed.

[flpoljunkie]

31. Outstanding! Show your support for Howard Dean by sending $20.06 as suggested by DUer bunnypants.

https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute?source=NETA454

[yebrent]

40. done

$20.06 donated to Dr./Chairman Dean

[flpoljunkie]

63. Excellent, yebrent!

[suziedemocrat]

65. I think that's a great idea. $20.06 donations from everyone. Helderheid?

We need to show our thanks to Dean!!! Who can organize this?

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. First it was Kerry, now Dean

The first shots have been fired in this war, and you know what? It wasn't the "angry left" who fired them.

Let them bring it on. Let them take cheap and shameful shots at our party leaders who have the courage to stand up for US and to speak the TRUTH. The PEOPLE know who have been fighting for them and who poured their hearts and souls into winning 2006. Methinks Carville, Emanuel, Schumer and Co. are not happy to have to give any credit to those pesky liberals like Kerry and Dean. They are beyond irrelevant.

[madfloridian]

34. You are right.

.

[PassingFair]

36. But he has the order wrong.....

doesn't he, mad.

[madfloridian]

41. I did not catch that...yes.

First Dean, then Kerry, then Dean again.

[WildEyedLiberal]

51. I am talking about the events of the past several weeks.

I think it should be obvious by now that the party establishment has no use for either Dean or Kerry. Petty squabbling over who got screwed first is counterproductive - the point is, they are both targets, the battle lines have been drawn, and Democrats are soon going to be forced to choose whether they support the status quo or real change.

I know which side I am on.

[Firespirit]

50. Carville isn't doing this for his wife

He's a proxy for Hillary. Through him, she has just declared war on everyone who stands in her way.

Hillary has just lost the grassroots forever.

[JudyM]

81. She lost me forever when she threw Kerry under the bus last week

calling his flubbed joke "inappropriate" as if he really intended to insult the troops. She just took advantage of the administration's foul-play faux spin -- this said to me that she has lost her integrity.

[durtee librul]

110. You mean she had any

to begin with? I cannot stand her and agree that she is way too polarizing and if she, by some fluke chance, gets the nod in '08, we're sunk.

We CANNOT let that happen...or this last election was in vain.

[anitar1]

87. Hilary lost me many years ago. Not

traveling on that road anymore.They are sunk if they think she can win. i do not know a single soul who would vote for her.She is ruight where she needs to be, imho.

[OzarkDem]

38. A very large bloc of Independent voters

cast their vote with the Democratic party, its ideas and its plans. It wasn't the DLC they were supporting, it was the vision promoted by Dean and the Dem candidates who were running.

[suziedemocrat]

66. But Dean is not so liberal on a lot of issues. He likes a balanced budget.

He is a guy who could win the hearts of conservatives everywhere. Oh sure, he may not care if gay people get married, but in a lot of ways - he's what conservative people want.

I'm from Indiana and the Kerry campaign totally ignored Indiana in 2004. We weren't even worth ONE VISIT. Bush came to Indiana to campaign, several times. Dean knows how to win, and it not the way these inside-the-beltway players work.

IMO, Carville knows he is looking at unemployment with two daughters to send to college. He seems desperate to prove he still knows how to win elections. He needs a job for Christ's sake.

[WildEyedLiberal]

67. Well Bush didn't campaign in Illinois, either.

For the same reason Kerry didn't campaign in Indiana. I'm sorry you live in a red state, but I doubt Indiana is going to go blue anytime soon.

The ultimate point is that the party establishment has attempted to throw both Dean and Kerry under the bus in the past couple of years, and for some reason unknown to me, Carville thinks that he is advancing Hillary's chances by blatantly shivving other Democrats who are not beholden to corporate interests. I didn't think even Carville was this dumb.

[xxqqqzme]

69. don't feel left out.

A huge (HUGH) wad of money flowed from California into Kerry's coffers IN '04. He managed to squeeze in 2 visits out here. The DNC used California like an ATM machine. It all left the state and NONE came back. It pissed people off out here. At least w/ Howard, we get some of it back.

[rucky]

92. He said the forbidden words:

Class War

[PassingFair]

35. My terse little e-mail to Carville:

Harold Ford, Jr. for DNC Chair?

NOT!

You have GOT to be joking. Your days as a democratic seer are
definitely OVER. Maybe there is a spot for you on the FAUX
"News" Team. You can go sell crazy over there.

Sincerely,

My Name Here
Democrat and Progressive,
Voter and Participant in Democracy

[JI7]

37. it's sad that it had to come to this

do they not have enough confidence in Hillary to do a good job in a Primary on her own without having every organization backed up with her supporters.

[flpoljunkie]

39. Wonder if this has anything with decision Dean said he has to make soon about the '08 convention?

Denver or New York. Now which candidate would benefit the most by having the convention in New York--and who does Carville already made clear he is supporting for the Democratic nominatin for president in '08.

[blondeatlast]

42. Couldn't hoit, that's for sure.

Ah, but Denver is so lovely in the summer...

[maryallen]

43. Shut up, Carville! Howard is THE MAN!

[buddysmellgood]

44. In your face Carville!

[JaneQPublic]

45. Carville takes credit for Clinton's presidential win, when in fact...

Clinton deserves credit for launching Carville's political consultant career.

Carville and Begala both just came along for the ride on Clinton's campaign (he would have won without them), and they have been cashing in on it ever since.

[Hippo_Tron]

64. I beg to differ, watch The War Room

Carville's a good strategist and has a record to prove it. But he's also an arrogant ass. He can't accept the idea that any idea but his might make Democrats successful and that's why he's trashing Dean. Plus I'm more inclined to believe that Dean knows a little bit more about what he's doing considering that Carville hasn't worked in politics since 1992 and has just spent his time commenting about the process on CNN.

[AtomicKitten]

70. I agree.

Except for the part about him trashing Dean. He may have been less than glowing in his postmortem evaluation of the election (he did not call to oust him), but that proves your point, one I agree with, that he is old school and can't quite accept the notion that the new school, i.e., Dean along with Rahm Emanuel, kicked the ever lovin' crap out of the Republicans this time around. I don't fit in here at DU because I like most Democrats of all stripes and I just don't understand these intraparty pile-ons, particularly based on rumors on the internet.

[Hippo_Tron]

76. I agree about the intraparty fighting

But look at Carville's statement. He said that he'd rather have Harold Ford be DNC chair.

[AtomicKitten]

77. I just don't read it that way.

I'm really trying; it sure would make my life easier here, but IMO he doesn't even intimate compared to Dean. IMO he's just saying he thinks Ford would do a good job. Sorry, I reviewed it again and thought about it and consulted with a few friends (who actually concurred with me), and I just don't see it.

Someone here at DU today accused me of being literal. I guess I am. :)

[zulchzulu]

46. It's puzzling why Carville is acting this way...oh, wait, there's a reason...

[against all enemies]

48. Dude - put a warning on your post. God damn scary.

[FrenchieCat]

49. Maybe she's gonna be out of a job, meaning Carville pissed that

he may need a second job besides lousy pundit, now!

[a kennedy]

58. OMG........

and really where has she been???

[sallyseven]

102. Best lookin picture of her

I have ever seen. She usually looks like a crazed witch here she looks semi-normal.

[rateyes]

47. Carville and Begala's strategy as presented in their book

didn't fly. Carville should go stick his head in another bag.

[DemBones DemBones]

54. Carville is sleeping with the enemy, after all. Dean has done a fine job

and I hope he'll stay on as DNC chair. I opposed his primary candidacy in 2004 so I wasn't too enthusiastic about him as DNC chair but he's proved himself. His TV appearances have been articulate and strong, despite harassment by Tweety, Mehlman, etc.

[Zech Marquis]

55. it;s a simple matter

2004, the DLC flamed out, 2006 Howard Dean oversaw the thumping of a lifetime. As my man V would say,"remember, remember, the 7th of November" :bounce:

[stillcool]

61. oh...that was great!...

[MODemocrat]

57. We also had a huge victory here in Missouri

Claire McCaskill beat the incumbent Jim Talent. This was no accident. Leave Howard Dean alone. He's
the very one who handed the democrats their backbones.
It's for sure, Carville didn't do anything for the democrats in this election. I no longer trust him.
:+ :crazy:

:thumbsup: Go Howard Dean

[Eric J in MN]

59. Did the DNC fund the MO Democratic Party? NT

NT

[MODemocrat]

115. I don't think they did, believe it was DSCC who funded her

I think a great deal of her support was she was pro stem cell research; but, Bill CLinton did appear with her in St. Louis, but that would be more like DLC, if I'm not mistaken. There were block parties,
some grass-root campaigning...etc.

We're very proud of our victory here. Missouri's been voting republican for much too long, and it was
as if we couldn't get our feet back in the door. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :thumbsup: :hi: :hi:

[neuvocat]

68. So let me get this straight

a guy who loses an election is more qualified to run the DNC than a guy who helped the democrats get congress back. No that's not suspicious. Not suspicious at all.

:sarcasm:

Thanks to him the dems have had more election disasters than I could possibly count, and the losses were to buffoons! Anyone see a pattern here?

[ninkasi]

71. Who worked tirelessly to help us win?

Howard Dean is the man.

[threadkillaz]

72. "Those who sleep with dogs will rise with fleas." --Italian Proverb

nt

[unkachuck]

73. that bald-headed....

....chicken-fucker can suck my ass....the corporatists want war....we're going to have to deal with this and take them on....we slammed the pukes outside of the Party, now for the pukes within the Party....

[eridani]

75. Prolly want's Dean's head--

--as a birthday present for his wife, a la John the Baptist.

[upi402]

79. and W

Bin Laden's on ice - directive

[upi402]

78. circle snaps in the face

I hope you forget the safe word James.

[AtomicKitten]

80. your post

made me laugh out loud
thanks

[Nostradammit]

85. LMAO!

Exxxxxxxxxactly!

Man, what an image that conjurs...


Uh, Mary, uh....Nixon!.....ouch..........uh.....School of the Americas..........

OUCH!!........uh.........UNCLE!!!!

[upi402]

88. "Say you love seitan James! Say it!" -LOL

"ooohh Mary honey don' do that! Eugene Hossenfuss, Eugene Hossenfuss! YEAAAAAARRRRRRGH"

[Nostradammit]

89. !!!

:toast:

[L0oniX]

82. WTF. Isn't Carville an ice cream brand?

Just another stupid ass carrot!

[Bitwit1234]

84. Republican Mole

I think that Carville is a republican mole. Remember when he talked Kerry into not contesting the Ohio vote. Maybe his wife has gotten to him....I think we should all post that he is a mole. How in the hell would we have done what we did with out the 50 state strategy. Dean deserves praise. And the jealous rats should shut up.

[eviltwin2525]

86. A non-Dean guy here, standing up for Howard

I was never a Dean guy. I thought he'd make a terrible President. I still do. But he's been the best Chairman the Democratic Party has ever had. His 50-State Strategy saved our asses. Anybody who stabs him in the back now is, well, sleeping with the enemy. Hmmmm....who could that be?

[opihimoimoi]

90. DEAN is the MAN.....

[w4rma]

91. Carville can go suck it. He's the backstabbing fool that recruited Zell Miller for Georgia. (nt)

[Major Hogwash]

93. Kick

Carville right in the nads!

[rodeodance]

96. Constructive criticism is good for any group----but not this bashing.

[mnhtnbb]

97. Carville has been sucking Republican tit for way too long. He's

been poisoned! Ignore him. And praise Dean to everyone.

[mnhtnbb]

98. Just made a $20.06 contribution and sent this message with it:

I just made a contribution in the amount of $20.06 in honor of Howard Dean's effective leadership as Chair of the DNC in regaining the House and Senate during these mid-term elections. James Carville
is what is politely referred to as 'full of it'.
Great work, Dr. Dean!

[Straight Shooter]

105. Excellent letter. Short, sweet, to the point, and wrapped it all up.

:thumbsup:

[Joe Chi Minh]

99. A Dem landslide and Matalan out with the washing,

together with him and the rest of their neocon pals.

[still_one]

101. jealous is the only word I can describe carville with

[Vidar]

103. Recommended. Send Carville to the Republicans where he belongs.

[The Backlash Cometh]

104. Dean to Carville, "Go suck an egg!"

[smoogatz]

108. Dean could hand the Democratic party the WH, both houses of Congress

(done), the majority of governorships (done) and a left-majority Supreme Court, and he still wouldn't be good enough for the DLC--because he's not taking orders from their corporate masters. Carville is a DLC-style Dem from the ground up; he jumped the shark for me when he married Matalin--the metaphor was entirely too clear at that point.

[Hawkowl]

111. Disapointed

in Carville. Apparently all the blood has rushed away from his brain into his dick. He should've married in his own species.

[fujiyama]

112. Carville is now irrelevant

Only idiots would begin infighting when the party had its best year since '92. Dean's philosophy of building a national party is working. I'll admit I was skeptical, but Dean has been proven correct - spending money in places like IN and KT can pay off.

Get lost Carville. For the first time in 12 years, we gain back the House, and he bitches about one of the guys that helped made it happen.