Oh great, that idiot Conyers is going to be chairman

[Cafe Americano]

Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., is set to become chair of the House Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over measures relating to law, courts and judges, constitutional amendments, and immigration.
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Oh great. He's going to be influential on matters of immigration and he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. Terrific. They're going to have to struggle with this dumbass to get anything done. His constituents may not have elected him for anything related to immigration, but that's what many were elected to deal with.

[eridani]

1. So?

He's going to investigate as much of the administration wrongdoing as possible.

[Erika]

2. I admire Conyers greatly

You need to learn that chairmanships aren't job applications. Why else would we have had the idiot GOP in chairmanships that they knew nothing about?

[Up2Late]

3. Wow! You're really are out to make a LOT of friends here!

I wonder what the record is for fastest tombstone?

[Mind_your_head]

4. You call Mr. Conyers an 'idiot'?

Please attempt to explain/validate that opinion.

TIA,
M_Y_H

edit: spelling

[Wilms]

5. Actually, he may well work on emigration issues.

Like sending most of the administration to the Hague.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

6. Cafe Obviouso.

[Vickers]

7. He scares you.

Once you accept that, you can start to heal.

[napi21]

8. Don't underestimate John Conyers!

I know when you first listen to him, he speaks soooo slowly, itwoulds like he doesn't know what he talking about, but you'd be wrong! Try to listen to him a little more, and I think you'll find he's quite agood and intelligent man!

I'm thinking right now, he scares W to death!

I hae no idea what he;s going to do about immigration, but i suspect you will be pleasantly purprised!

[Nite Owl]

9. If you are really interested in preserving

the Constitution of the United States of America, if you want a future for you and your children then rejoice that we have a man such as John Conyers to protect it.

[Cafe Americano]

10. get this

Please attempt to explain/validate that opionion.
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Ok.

Number 1 - Rep. Conyers is a cosponsor of H.R. 3402. Title IX of H.R. 3402 loosens the rules governing visas for victims of trafficking and domestic violence and their families, resulting in an increase in chain migration.

Number 2 - Rep. Conyers cosponsored H.R. 1954 to increase chain migration by allowing the spouse, child, or parent of an alien who was granted posthumous citizenship based on military service to apply for permanent resident status.

Number 3 - Rep. Conyers cosponsored H.R. 4262, a bill to increase chain migration by increasing the number of family visas and exempting from the family-based visa ceiling all immediate relatives.

Number 4 - Rep. Conyers opposed an amendment to H.R.4300 that would have placed an overall ceiling on family, worker and lottery immigration of 630,000. The amendment was defeated 266 to 143. Immigration has increased to about one million a year due to Rep. Conyers rejection of this amendment.

Number 5 - Rep. Conyers voted as part of the Judiciary Committee against H.R. 2202 that would have shifted the primary focus of immigration policy to spouses and minor children from extended family. It would have set a ceiling of 330,000 on family-based immigration, thus reducing chain migration.
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He has about a 30 year record of opposing, absolutely, any sort of ceiling on immigration.

[uppityperson]

16. quotes from where?

And most of what you say here, if true, looks ok to me. Make victims easier to immigrate, let families of dead military (troops who died for our country) apply for permanent resident status, increase family visas rather than breaking up families. I don't see a problem with this stuff, whether true or false.

Realize that there are 4 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, statistics and bills. Bills can be poorly written, can contain other things that bear no relation to what the bill is, etc.

[w13rd0]

17. You state...

"Number 2 - Rep. Conyers cosponsored H.R. 1954 to increase chain migration by allowing the spouse, child, or parent of an alien who was granted posthumous citizenship based on military service to apply for permanent resident status."

And this is a problem for you? You think aliens who were granted citizenship POSTHUMOUSLY because they fought and died in OUR WARS being able to extend that to their LIVING immediate family is somehow a big problem? Why do you hate our troops?

[AIJ Alom]

74. I think I found your sources.

http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgradescategory.php3?District=MI14&Category=2&Status=Career&VIPID=425

http://www.betterimmigration.com/

So are you a member of Americans for Better Immigration ? And is the targeted number for immigration less than or equal to say zero ?

[AIJ Alom]

77. Funny how most of the candidates they support are Libertarian and

Republican. Do you know of any good Libertarian or Republican friendly sites that vehemently oppose immigration ?

http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/featuredraces.html

[uppityperson]

11. What are you talking about "the worst record of anyone in Congress..."

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

What do you mean?

[aquart]

13. Friends, we have a visitor.

Be gentle.

[uppityperson]

18. meltdown?

did a search and it didn't look bad, so am confused.

[snowbear]

83. Yes, but......

Have you taken note of how many times he's spewed out some very direct and DEGRADING insults to our DU'ers?

He may be a visitor --- but he is anything but gentle.

Sorry aquart, but sometimes it's evident that people who signed on only days ago, close their profile to public view, and do nothing but INSULT, INSULT, INSULT cannot be handled in our normal, gentle, friendly, welcoming manner.

I'm not saying we should hit the Freeper Alert button.. ... but it's pretty evident he logged on here to stir up trouble.

[RadiDem]

12. I'm confused! Am I still on Freak Repugnic looking for Chadthrax posts???

[bobbie]

14. Hee hee, quite the attention getting post...

Welcome to DU. Giggle.

[NanceGreggs]

15. Did you know that FreeRepublic ...

... is back up and running?

[Cafe Americano]

19. awareness time people, awareness time

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

What do you mean?
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Are you aware of the general publics opinions regarding illegal immigration?

[uppityperson]

21. that does not answer the question. Will you answer the question?

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

What do you mean? You claimed this. Can you prove it?

Or will you merely try to distract? No facts so claim public opinion proves what you say. Oh! Look over there!

[Kelvin Mace]

25. *Sniff*, *sniff*

What is smell?

Orc? No.

Goblin? No.

Ogre? No.

One of those fantasy creatures from D&D. Regenerates.

[indepat]

44. Do you have any ideal the number of wealthy Republicans who have made their fortunes on the

backs of illegal immigrants at minimum wage or below with no benefits?

[OneBlueSky]

20. um . . . the boards you're looking for are three doors down and . . .

to the EXTREME right . . .

oh, wait . . . last I heard they were off-line . . . so maybe try Lucianne's lair as an alternative . . .

[snowbear]

22. LOL to OneBlueSky !!!

That's what I was thinking too!!

[Cafe Americano]

26. you're ignorant

My politics are more left than yours will ever be. But I'm also concerned about illegal immigration, just like the majority of Americans are.

That's possibly because I live directly across the border from Mexico and am confronted with it 24 hours a day. Where do you live? Vermont? Why is it always the people that live somewhere like Oregon or Iowa that are so ignorant on this?

[uppityperson]

27. still waiting

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

What do you mean?

And please. "I'm more librul than you" is a pretty poor response. As is "you're ignorant.

[Sapphocrat]

66. ...

*COUGHpersonalattackCOUGH*

Sorry, what was our new friend saying again?

[uppityperson]

67. that we're

ignorant and I think out of touch with what Most Americans have been Proven to Want. No facts needed.

[tkmorris]

29. I don't think so

Virtually every one of the bills or amendments you posted Conyers' position on had Mr. Conyers on the side of treating immigrants and their families humanely. Not opening the border to anyone who wants in, just treating people humanely. In particular the one allowing the immediate family of a SLAIN US SOLDIER who is awarded citizenship posthumously to APPLY for permanent residence.

My friend that is what being a Democrat is all about. If you have an issue with that you are most certainly not to the left of many here, I don't care how much you believe it.

I would submit to you that living where you do may give you a bit of bias. All of the legislation you connected Conyers to deals with legal immigration, while I suspect that what you most have an issue with is illegal immigration. If your issue is with people who come here legally you have much larger problems than John Conyers.

[OnlyWeKnow]

23. Conyers is a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check out the hearing in Ohio 04....

[FrenchieCat]

24. I've got your idiot in my back pocket....

and I raise you a couple of hundred of them over there on the Republican side!

Geeze! :eyes:

Heed the sign on what you started....

[Alexander]

28. Are you sure you're on the right forum?

[JeffR]

30. Vaya con Dios, Cafe Americano

seems like we hardly knew ya, amigo...

[uppityperson]

33. hit and run?

Sure wish the coffee would return and talk some more. Or I wonder if Cafe is like a cafeteria? Is cafeteria a French word? Wonder if French immigrants brought it over or if tourists visiting France brought it back? goodnight

[JeffR]

36. I think cafe is an ancient Sumerian word for soon-to-be-tombstoned

but I'm guessing at the etymology.

[AIJ Alom]

31. So who would you recommend, another liberal like yourself ?

Pete King perhaps ? Maybe Dennis Hastert ? There are more pressing issues for the judiciary chair than borders at this moment. Immigration ranked near the bottom of voter concerns.

[Cafe Americano]

34. more ignorance

More ignorance *sigh*
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The public opinion survey, conducted by an independent research firm commissioned by a Washington-based public policy group, shows immigration as a top issue for American voters.

"For 53 percent of the electorate, they say it is the top issue or one of their top-three issues," said Kellyanne Conway. "Immigration has never had this kind of primacy in previous elections."

Sixty eight percent of respondents said US immigration levels are too high, and just two percent said they are too low. Seventy percent said they are less likely to vote for candidates that favor increasing legal immigration, and 64 percent said they would back measures that result in voluntary or involuntary repatriation of illegal immigrants.

She says her poll provided a third option: strict law enforcement that makes it practically impossible for undocumented workers to secure employment and support themselves in the United States, leaving them no choice but to leave of their own accord.

"We find that when you add that third way, that is the policy prescription that has the most support," said Conway.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-17-voa56.cfm

[JeffR]

37. and your magical answer - sigh - is what?

please enlighten us. On second thought, screw it, I'm going to bed.

[AIJ Alom]

39. Interesting, how you are stressing a GOP issue.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/elections/bal-te.immigration18oct18,0,3487574.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

But there's little sign that most voters are listening. People are torn on the complicated issue, and many say it's low on their list of concerns this election year, behind the war and economic worries. Public polls show no more than about one-fifth of voters name it among their top concerns.

[uppityperson]

Here are some other polls. Hmm, immigration has dropped importance

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Nov. 1-4, 2006. N=1,205 adults nationwide. Fieldwork by TNS. Results below are among registered voters.

"Which of the following will be/was the SINGLE MOST important issue in your vote for Congress this year: the U.S. campaign against terrorism, the war in Iraq, the economy, immigration, ethics in government, health care or something else?" Items rotated

Iraq 31
Economy 21
Health care 12
Terrorism 11
Immigration 9
Ethics in government 6
Something else 7
Unsure 2

----------
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Nov. 2-3, 2006. N=1,045 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.

"In deciding your vote for Congress this year, which ONE of the following issues is most important to you? . . ." Options rotated


11/2-3/06 10/26-27/06
% %
The situation in Iraq 32 29
The economy 19 21
Terrorism 12 14
Health care 11 14
Immigration 10 11
Abortion 5 4
Stem cell rese 3 3


Other/None of these (vol.)
3 2


Unsure
5 2

[Cafe Americano]

46. problem with your polls

The polls you're referencing are rank order polls. What you (deliberately) didn't mention is what the majority believes the policies should be for each of those priorities. Those are two different types of polls.

[uppityperson]

49. mindreader also?

Still waiting for you to answer this, back up this statement

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

What do you mean?
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From your poll "For 53 percent of the electorate, they say it is the top issue or one of their top-three issues,"
In my polls immigration comes in 5th.
Both are rank order polls. Odd, that.

[JeffR]

53. If you're a Freeper - and I'm not saying you are - you're nimble

I'll give you that. If you really don't like Conyers for any remotely rational reason, I'm willing to hear it. Absent that, I have to think you're just playing in traffic here.

[cali]

86. too bad that's not what voters said in exit polls

only 6% identified immigration as a pressing concern. You're full of shit.

[Cafe Americano]

32. hmmm

Well, it seems there's some disagreement on the issue of Conyers as chairman.

[uppityperson]

35. OMG!!1 are you series?

You post inflammatory comments, don't back up what you say, and then say "seems there is some disagreement"?

[Cafe Americano]

38. not at all

I've backed up everything I've said. Have you?

[AIJ Alom]

41. U R write. We are screwn. The hugh moran hear donut get it. n/t

[uppityperson]

42. bs. Still waiting for you to answer this, back up this statement

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

What do you mean?

[orleans]

45. you must be new in town. some of us happen to like conyers.

many of us admire the man.

maybe you should become familiar with us before you start hurling insults

do you always walk into someone's house that you hardly know and start telling them what a piece of shit their house is? what crappy furniture they have? what an asshole their spouse is? what dumb asses their kids are. what idiots they are for the music they like?

i wouldn't put up with that crap from someone i hardly knew. i'd kick them the hell out of my house for being so tactless, and for being such a "moran."

[JeffR]

40. as well as a disagreement on your Democratic bona fides, chum

hmmm, lotta rootless disillusioned ideologues scufflin' round the internets this week, it seems...

[Vickers]

55. OMG, you're agreeing with the original poster, who happens to be YOU?!?!?!?!?!

What a fucking internetsfucktarddouchebagfuckstickassclown!!!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[uppityperson]

58. I think this is the best part of this whole topic.

"appears to be some disagreement"

[AIJ Alom]

43. Completely unrelated, but do you think Chad posted and is out on

bail tonight ?

[Mythsaje]

47. Let's see if I can post before this is locked

and you're tossed out on your can.

Number one: Conyers acts to promote LEGAL immigration in ways that will decrease illegal immigration. If people can bring their families across LEGALLY, there is less motivation for those same families to sneak in.

Number two: Legal immigrants are not bad for the economy. They can attain legal work, pay taxes, and join unions to improve democratic movements within their respective industries. They become Americans.

Number three: America was built by immigrants. Dollars to donuts YOU are yourself descended from immigrants from one place or another.

Number four: There is a undercurrent of bigotry in anti LEGAL immigrant positions, particularly when the targets are non-whites. Unacceptable.

[SeattleGirl]

48. Idiot Conyers? What planet do you live on?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Mythsaje]

50. You responded to me, not to him...

Might want to re-post. :)

[orleans]

62. check your pm n/t

[Cafe Americano]

52. no

Conyers has voted against any, let me repeat, any type of ceiling on immigration. He has also voted to increase legal immigration, which is in direct conflict with what the majority of Americans want as the policy. They don't support an increased level of immigration. Conyers does.

[orleans]

54. did you forget to read the rules??

"Content: Do not post messages that are inflammatory, extreme, divisive, incoherent, or otherwise inappropriate. Do not engage in anti-social, disruptive, or trolling behavior."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[Cafe Americano]

59. hmm

Well, my initial post should have used an alternative to "idiot". But every time anyone has asked for facts, I provided them.

[uppityperson]

60. no you didn't. Still waiting for you to give facts for this statement.

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "

[AIJ Alom]

61. Like Moran perhaps ?

[Sapphocrat]

68. Hey, I know that dude!

Hugh Moran. Ever meet him?

[AIJ Alom]

69. Hugh Moran, of course, he's that great chum from that other place

Free Republic or something. He stops in from time to time to kid about how Republicans are going to wipe the floor with us in the elections, how we hate America, and how we're all destined for hell. Such a charmer, that man.

[Mythsaje]

57. LEGAL immigration isn't really our problem, now is it?

ILLEGAL immigration is.

I have no problem with people coming to this country legally just like my forefathers did. Well, the Celtic ones, anyway. Some of my ancestors were already here.

Immigrants BUILT America. I'm not willing to slam the door in the face of anyone willing to come here to forge a better life by legal means.

[Cafe Americano]

63. that's nice

Yes, we all know the history of the US. It was "built by immigrants." Fine.

And just like your forefathers had some degree of control over who they let in the country, so you should have the same right. You don't agree with that?

[uppityperson]

!

"he has possibly the worst record of anyone in Congress on border security, reducing illegal immigration etc. "
Facts please, not a discussion into what we want, or what public wants. If you give a statement like this, you need to back it up.

[Mythsaje]

80. How do you judge?

A lot of people, when my great grandparents came to America, didn't really want those "fucking drunken micks stinking up the place."

They came anyway. As did the Chinese. And the Japanese. And the Italians. And the Cubans. And the Puerto Ricans.

And now they're Americans.

Who the fuck am I, or YOU, to say who does or does not belong here? As long as they're willing to come here legally, and work for the benefit of all, I say "welcome to America."

That's the only reasonable criteria. Not where they're from, or who their parents are.

[snowbear]

56. Right on Mythsafe!!!

What a crazy thread this is!

Glad you got in your two cents before the Mod Squad shows up! ;)

[Boo Boo]

51. Democratic Underground sends peace and love to Free Republic, but

please, no more baking soda... we've got more than we'll ever use.

[JeffR]

65. Shhh...

Now he can just go back to his hovel and tell everyone that the libruls are indeed the great unwarshed... d'oh...

[Boo Boo]

75. OK. I got rid of the Shampoo bit. I'm pretty sure that the

Shampoo-as-terror-weapon reference was too obscure for Free Republic anyway. Sober, it would probably be too obscure for me as well, but fortunately I don't have that problem!

:7

[Sapphocrat]

64. Oh, this should be good.

:popcorn:

[Rainscents]

70. I'll join you!

:popcorn:

[orleans]

72. you mean we're not locked down on this yet?

in that case...

:smoke: :popcorn: :smoke:

[snowbear]

85. The Mods need two alerts....

We need someone to hit the alert button one more time.

DO IT!

[AIJ Alom]

87. It was fun while it lasted.

[AIJ Alom]

71. Tell you what, I need a good tan and my muscles could use

the workout. I'll bring the wood, you bring the paint and we'll put up a white picket fence along the border. I'm sure you're well versed in Pat Buchanan, that was his idea, I think. Perhaps you can refresh my memory while we get to work. Where would you like to start ? Texas or Arizona ?

[orleans]

73. are you kidding? sounds to me like someone wants to start

with conyers.

[Cafe Americano]

76. I think there's a great deal of agreement here

There's obviously a great deal of agreement that Conyer's record is what it is, and that he is controversial.

[AIJ Alom]

78. No he's not. There are far bigger fish to fry than to worry about

the incoming judiciary chair's views on immigration. Perhaps that conflict occurring in the Middle East and how exactly we ended up in that quagmire ?

[AIJ Alom]

79. If only your preferred candidate Chad Miles could have defeated

Conyers for the 14th CD. He supports the reforms you clearly wanted to enact, but alas.

[orleans]

81. this thread has gotten over 1100 views in less than 2 1/2 hours?

geez. i wonder who is telling all their friends about it??

got any guesses?

[AIJ Alom]

82. I dunno, but someone here has probably got a cross post over at

that other site. Thinks he's doing a service by keeping us occuppied so we can't spread our liberal agenda. Too bad he wasn't making phone calls or walking precincts when his furor needed him. Oh well, maybe he can mail baking soda like his buddy Chad.

[orleans]

84. the cross post was exactly what i was infering.... n/t

[maddezmom]

88. locking