Last night a Dem. strategist named the Dem. "dark horse candidate"

[jenmito]

as Wesley Clark with Obama as his VP! That is the ticket I wanted for a while now! I'm just so glad someone finally mentioned Wesley Clark!

[Stardust]

1. Just wow!

[jenmito]

2. I hope you mean that in a good way!

:D

[Stardust]

51. I really want Wesley Clark to run. And if Obama strenthens the ticket, great!

[oasis]

3. Hard to beat. (eom)

[jenmito]

6. I agree. That's the DREAM ticket! n/t

[KingFlorez]

4. That might work

Neither one of them are polarizing and both have a lot of supporters.

[jenmito]

8. And both have great smiles...

And neither one is from the NE.

[frogcycle]

93. in that case why don't you vote

for Emmett Smith?

Now THERE's a great smile.

[Le Taz Hot]

30. They're not polarizing?

Ummmm, ooookkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyyy. :crazy:

[KingFlorez]

32. They aren't

I'm not sure why you think they are.

[ultraist]

63. A lot of supporters?

Clark is polling in the 2% range in every poll. He may have an army of DU supporters but overall, among the general US population, Clark is not even on the radar screen.

[xkenx]

72. I recall a very obscure former governor of a small New England state,

Howard Dean, who became the MSM's front runner by the time of the primaries, mainly through his netroots support and fundraising. Wes Clark has a huge following in that theater, so if/when he runs, he will force the rest to take notice, just as dean did. Clark appeals to the same antiwar progressives.

[AtomicKitten]

5. sounds pretty good to me

eom

[wilt the stilt]

7. Wesley Clark/Barack Obama

would win going away. The would leave the repubs with nowhere to go.

[LSparkle]

10. Fantastic ticket ... the only thing is I love John Edwards

there would have to be a cabinet post for him, though ... ??

[snowbear]

13. If Clark/Obama won.. Edwards would take Alberto Gonzales poistion!

LOL.. kinda fun to dream .. even two years out!

[Texas_Kat]

67. Though JRE may prefer Secty of Labor

nt

[Arugula Latte]

33. I'd love an Edwards/Obama ticket ...

but Clark/Obama would be cool too.

[jenmito]

75. But Edwards doesn't have NEARLY the military experience

as Clark, if any.

[jenmito]

11. I agree...

That would cover the military, the south, "change," optimism, handsomeness, intelligence, etc.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. I'd be all over that ticket.

[jenmito]

12. I'd be all over THEM! j/k sort of

:D

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Well, that too.

I've met Wes Clark a couple of times. He's kind of short, but he's hot.

[jenmito]

17. Yeah, when I saw him next to the others...

he was pretty short. But Obama more than makes up for the height issue. :D

[FrenchieCat]

56. Clark's 5'9.....5'10 with shoes.....

Which is the height of my "Hot" hubby!

I'm 5'8 with heels, and Clark is taller than I am! But he is of slight compact built which makes him appear smaller than he really is! Comes from all of that swimming.

[jenmito]

76. Would that happen to be YOU in the pic?

I'm so jealous! :D

[FrenchieCat]

80. Yes.....Posted to show the height difference.....

and here at a different event some time before the other one (pre my drastic haircut), talking to Wes about the F&cked media and didn't want the media to read my big lips! LOL!

[jenmito]

91. Wow!

Now I'm REALLY jealous! :D

[Qutzupalotl]

88. Are you jealous of Frenchie or Clark?

;-)

[jenmito]

92. Frenchie...

But thanks for asking. :D

[Auntie Bush]

96. Nice to meet you Frenchie !

I'm envious of you standing next to my hero. You're my hero too for being so loyal and informative about Wes. Thanks!

[FrenchieCat]

97. IT's gonna be a party Auntie Bush.....

We're just gettin' started!

Wes Clark is grassroots all the way! Ask our new Grassroot elected Democratic Congresswoman from New Hampshire, Carol Shea-Porter (who by the way, got kicked out of a Bush rally for wearing an anti-Bush T-Shirt)! :patriot:
:hi:

[calimary]

49. Yeah, me too! For several reasons!

Eye candy being only part of it. It'd be a nicely balanced ticket geographically, too. Nice divergent specialties - the older retired soldier and the younger city senator - who would be beautifully positioned for greater future leaps of his own. It would be very easy to accept especially for those who like Obama but are somewhat hesitant about his relative "lack of experience." Besides, it'd mean only one senator taken out of commission and needing replacement. Assuming, of course, the Illinois governorship remains in Democratic hands.

And wouldn't it be a relief, after that horrorshow alberto gonzales, to see John Edwards as AG?

That's how I'd play it, certainly.

[FrenchieCat]

57. ooooh....Brain Candy....and good teeth for days!

[bpeale]

15. actually...

the dream ticket that would bring the most people to the polls is Richardson & Obama.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. Except for me.

With Richardson on the ticket it would be a "dream" cuz I'd be asleep. Thanks, but no thanks.

[Pithy Cherub]

34. You'd have to drag me and then

it would take medication to make me move with Richardson/Bayh/Biden/Visack on the Sominex ticket...

[jenmito]

19. I don't like that as much...

But I'd vote for them if necesesary.

[ChiciB1]

21. If Necessary.... I Agree... If Necessary... n/t

[puebloknot]

38. Writing from New Mexico...

...

I'd vote, in a New York minute, for *anyone* but Richardson.

Different folks....

[slestak]

79. Ditto n/t

[Ninja Jordan]

18. For the life of me I can't see how Clark gains traction

The media won't pay attention to him with Hillary, or Obama or Gore in the race.

[jenmito]

20. That's what happened last time...

But this time they'd HAVE to pay attention to him. Especially if he entered the ring earlier.

[Ninja Jordan]

22. I remain unconvinced

I like Clark a lot, but I just can't see him gaining ground. Maybe I'm wrong.

[jenmito]

24. Maybe if he knew Obama would accept VP and he announced it early

THEN the media would be all over it.

[Nite Owl]

23. Yes, he was late entering last time

and was a real political neophyte too. He's been around quite a bit since then. I like Clark, he was the most liberal candidate (after Dennis).

[BootinUp]

81. The media had Clark as the

anti Dean by late December. The only thing that stopped him was the Iowa cacuses which he bypassed. Clark raised 30 million dollars from Sept 17 through 2nd week of Feb. He will be in the thick of it.

[dogman]

78. Definition time.

dark horse

noun 1 a person about whom little is known, esp. someone whose abilities and potential for success are concealed : a dark-horse candidate. 2 a competitor or candidate who has little chance of winning, or who wins against expectations

[THUNDER HANDS]

86. Clark is like Dr. Pepper

Every once in a while I get a craving for Dr. Pepper. I take one sip and *bleh* I'm reminded of why I haven't had Dr. Pepper in a while.

Clark is a good man who would make a good Sec. of Def. but he's not presidential material. If he was, he would have finished better than 4th or 5th in the polls last primary season.

[IA_Seth]

87. Oh you mean like when he finished 1st in Oklahoma...

You may do well to do a little reading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark

"....Clark focused on winning New Hampshire, or placing second to Dean, to position himself to defeat presumed frontrunner Dean, but when John Kerry and John Edwards each placed ahead of Dean in the Iowa caucuses, they drew the media focus in the days immediately before the New Hampshire primary. Clark took third place in New Hampshire, behind New Englanders Kerry and Dean, and ahead of Edwards despite the Kerry/Edwards momentum from Iowa. The younger Clark suggested that had Clark remained a candidate in Iowa he, instead of Kerry and Edwards, might have benefited from Dean's drop in support.

Despite this setback, Clark decided to remain in the race, at least until February 3, when 8 primaries — many in the South, Clark's regional base — would be held. During the February 3 contests, he won the Oklahoma primary, making him the only candidate other than John Kerry to win a non-"home" state. He also placed second in Arizona, North Dakota, and New Mexico, giving him more second place finishes in the Feb 3rd primaries than John Edwards, who would become the eventual vice-presidential nominee. Following 3 February, he moved on to campaign in Tennessee and Virginia, states he hoped would provide him the necessary momentum to remain in the race. After placing third in the primaries in both Tennessee and Virginia, he withdrew from the race on February 11, 2004. Clark announced his endorsement of John Kerry at a rally in Madison, Wisconsin on February 13th.<8>"

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Fourth or Fifth indeed.

[THUNDER HANDS]

89. my bad

I stand corrected. :spank:

[FrenchieCat]

95. and 2nd in

North Dakota, Arizona and New Mexico?

[FrenchieCat]

94. What primary polls would you be speaking of? Please provide more info on that!

But in reference to Dr. Pepper, that's for kids!

So I'll correct you.....

Wes Clark = Fucking Dom Perignon!

[jokerman93]

25. I could live with that

Except...

Since Obama is a credible rising star and still comparatively young, he'll get his shot at the title anyway. I'd rather see Gore in the WH with Clark this time around. For my money, they would build a formidable progressive power block -intellectually and politically.

At any rate, I'm down with Clark. He's been my guy since the 2004 primaries.

J

[jenmito]

28. But who would you want at the top?

Gore or Clark?

[Crunchy Frog]

26. Was this on television?!?

Are the pundits finally beginning to realize that a person named Wesley Clark actually exists? Color me stunned.

I could definitely live with that ticket.

[jenmito]

29. Yes. It was a Dem. strategist who said it...

Female. I forget her name.

[Auntie Bush]

47. I saw that too and was shocked....and ecstatic.

I don't know her name either but have seen her talking for the Dems frequently.

[jenmito]

48. Didn't she have blondish shortish hair?

[Auntie Bush]

102. Yes, that's the one.

I think so anyway.

[abburdlen]

58. Do you recall what network?

[CarolNYC]

70. MSNBC, I think....

I'm guessing this is the same segment that "zoey" posted about over at CCN:

"I saw a segment on MSNBC this morning talking about the 08 Presidential hopefulls. It was with Monica Crowley(R) and someone called Sasha, I think. When talking about Hillary, Sasha said she thought the darkhorse candidate she thinks could win would be Wes Clark because the election will be all about National Security. She went on to say she would like Barack Obama as Clark's running mate. Clark wasn't even on the list to be discussed. That is a really good sign."

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/9659#comment-154571

[jenmito]

77. Yes. You're right!

:hi:

[BlueIris]

27. If I can't have Kerry, I BETTER get Clark.

Don't really care who the VP is for either man, actually, though I would sooner bet than it will be Ralph Nader than Obama. Could people please stop posting that? He's been a senator for like, five minutes. And he made some promises to his constituents that he obviously cares more about keeping than almost anything else (and, hey, good on him, there; I don't love Obama overly much, but at least he's consistent and capable of adhering to campaign platforms). I sincerely doubt we're going to see him abandon the good people who elected him for a mad dash to the White House at this very, very early date.

[rocktivity]

31. Way ahead of you

Making this banner was the first thing I did after completing my gloating about the election.

I think it's our strongest ticket because they'd be hardest for the Repubs to attack and they aren't totally dependent on mainstream media recognition. All they have to do is re-institute the 50-state strategy, and they won't be dark horses long.

:headbang:
rocknation

[jenmito]

35. But I thought of this ticket....

before Obama even spoke at the Dem. convention in '04! :D j/k :yourock:

[HughSeries]

36. I want to see a Gore/Clark/Obama ticket.

I don't know how that would work, but I can't not have any one of them!

[jenmito]

40. Maybe they can work out some sort of

rotation system? :D

[HughSeries]

44. Great idea!

Al can be domestic/environment president, and Wes can be military/foreign policy president!

Or else Wes gets nights and weekends, and Al keeps bankers' hours.

Either way works for me.

[jenmito]

45. Yeah...

And Obama can stay on full time so he gets the experience. :D

[bleever]

37. Fascinating suggestion.

K&R

[jenmito]

41. Thanks...

I agree. :D

[jefferson_dem]

39. Like those two tons. But i would flip the ticket to read Obama - Clark

[jenmito]

42. I don't think Obama has enough experience

to be above Clark...

[election_2004]

43. Clark/Stabenow or Clark/Sebelius...

...could also make inroads.

Although I'm sure many (including myself) like the idea of Clark/Feingold.

[jenmito]

46. Feingold's not running, though.

He said so.

[Strawman]

66. I don't think Clark would pick a torture appeaser like Stabenow

I'd love to see a female candidate on the ticket in either slot, but not her.

[WCGreen]

50. And niether one of them Parses....

Jesus H Christ if I hear one more presidential Candidate speak while in the process of making up his ir her mind on an issue I will just fucking puke...

[Tiggeroshii]

52. Yeahh...

I don't think Clark can win the nomination, but if he did I'd be thrilled.

[FrenchieCat]

54. What we conceive, we can achieve....

This is still America, where all is possible with determination, perspiration, perseverance and singleness of purpose and laserbeam focus. I ain't givin' up on a damn thing!

As an immmigrant to this land, I didn't necessarily think that I'd end up with a kid at Harvard....but I never felt that it was impossible.....and so she's there.

[FrenchieCat]

53. Maybe some "Strategist" are taking off the blinders!

Considering the times in this world today, I don't even understand why it took so long for some of these "strategist" to wake the fuck up!

Here we have a Progressive Plato Quoting schomski readin' Rhode Scholar Southern General who has shown prescience time and time again. Someone whose brokered lasting peace, and planned, led and won a war without a soldier dying. A man regarded as head of state for three years who communicated with the heads of states of 37 countries. A guy who has lived in England, Belgium and South America and speaks 4 languages. An expert in Emergency preparedness to boot! someone respected all over the world. Who came from an imporverished single mother background and realized the American Dream all the while serving his country with Duty and Honor.

He can rebuild a motor (cause he had to), talk about science without notes or consultation, and

He's lined up a team to combat Swiftboating and the man is ready to go. With his intellect and strength, things would only get better.

Oh.....and Obama ain't bad either! :)

[Adelante]

55. OMG

I'm fainting.

[Renew Deal]

59. That would be a great ticket.

But you would have 2 guys with very little governing experience. Clark has none and Obama has extremely little on the federal level.

[FrenchieCat]

68. Clark has governed, although not in an elected position.....

From 1997, Clark headed the U.S. European Command, responsible for over 100,000 U.S. troops, their families, health care, education, social services, and all related infrastructure, and all American military activities in 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. He simultaneously held the separate NATO position of Supreme Allied Commander (SACEUR), which granted him Head of State status and overall command of NATO military forces in Europe and leadership of approximately 60,000 troops from 37 NATO and other nations in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

He served as Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. European Command (CINCEUR). As stipulated by international treaty, he simultaneously held the position of Supreme Allied Commander (SACEUR), which is a NATO position that is independent of the U.S. chain of command, but always held by an American. As SACEUR, Clark also held Head of State status requiring meeting with other heads of state, and control over international NATO forces. (Supreme Allied Commander of NATO was the same position held by Eisenhower immediately prior to his becoming President of the United States.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark

[JNelson6563]

60. I like both of these guys

However, I cannot think of a pair who would be more suseptible to the trap of leaning too heavily on consultants and polls. Clark never elected to office before and a (barely) one term Senator?

It would be like reliving 04 where Kerry, in his over-board cautionary tendancies, made those same two glaring mistakes. Wishing for this ticket is wishing to relive that nightmare.

I'd rather see one of them as VP to Gore. I'd go with Clark out of the two.

Julie

[Mass]

61. With Feingold not in the list and Gore not likely to run, Clark is my n 2

and this is certainly a ticket I could support with pleasure.

[July]

64. Exactly how I feel.

I'd take Clark over the rest of the Dem field, though we have several good options.

[seabeyond]

62. i like..... n/t

[cadmium]

65. Very good! The news pundits have

tried to winnow the field to Hillary, Edwards and Obama.

I am with Kerry, but really like Clark too. I am actually torn between Wes Clark and Al Gore as my second choice. I love Clark's positions and his loyalty to the other democrats.

Wes served under Clinton can someone assure me that he is not a Clinton loyalist?

I decided today after watching Matthews and Olbermann last night and thinking over all the noise and attacks on Kerry, Murtha, and media ignoring of Clark that I agree with others that it is important to BREAK THE BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON cycle.

[Comicstripper]

69. Not enough experience, though

Or that is what they say. Wow, what an inspiring ticket, though!
I'd say the darkhorse, believe it or not, is Bill Richardson. Not that I think he'll win it.

[OzarkDem]

73. Agree

Hey, I could call myself a Dem strategist, too. ;-)

[DixieBlue]

71. Oh, that makes my little bleeding heart so happy!

the only thing that could make me happier would be a Gore/Obama ticket with Clark, when the Dems win, becoming Sec of State. I'm a Gore fan before Clark ... but if Gore's not in, then Clark's my man.

[dae]

74. I don't care about the #2 slot, just give me Clark @ #1.

[qwlauren35]

82. Take my breath away...

IF Clark won, it would POTENTIALLY usher in an era of change like nothing we've ever seen. I wonder...

How long has it been since we've had a president from neither a governorship or Congress??? (Where did Ford come from, anyway...)

Do you think he'd have a chance on earth of gutting some of the congressional perks?

[EC]

83. I think John Edwards is going to ask Obama

to be his VP...

[FrenchieCat]

84. or maybe Hillary?

Guess Obama is in demand!

[Cosmocat]

85. eh ...

Frankly, they are too much the same guy, and Obama might break above Edwards ...

[jenmito]

90. Not nearly as strong as Clark/Obama...

Edwards doesn't have what it takes compared to Clark.

[sendero]

98. That's my dream ticket..

.... nobody could run the country better than Clark, and it would give Obama a springboard to excell also.

A guy can dream.

[jenmito]

99. I agree...

And a girl can dream, too. :D

[jen4clark]

100. I like this.

Obama could learn a lot in 8 years with General Clark! :D

[jenmito]

103. I like your name.

I'm also a Jen 4 Clark. :hi: And I agree with you.

[windbreeze]

101. now isn't it just about time???

holy smoke...I could handle this in a NewYork minute...
windbreeze

[RadiDem]

104. Gets my vote!

[UncleNoel]

105. There is a Clark Obama Yahoo Group

if anyone cares to join. I am a moderator and haven't gone there myself for a while. It was put up after the Dem convention in 04 but now perhaps is the time.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ClarkObama08/

Noel