Murtha loses Majority job, Carville calls for Dean to be fired. The DLC?

[Cascadian]

I am very disappointed that John Murtha was not chosen to be the House Majority Leader. As far as I am concerned, he was the right man. He earned it through his constant support, REAL support, for the troops as well as his criticism of the Iraqi situation. From what I understand, the guy who got the position Steny Hoyer is DLC and voted for the Iraq War. Something just doesn't seem right here. Also, I am getting a little uneasy about James Carville calling for Howard Dean to be fired all because he could not raise enough money. WHAT??? Dean and his 50 state plan is working! Doesn't he get it? Dean is not undermining the Democratic Party. He is strengthening it! I also notice there are others who are critical of Howard Dean. Why? What for?

All I know is there is something very suspect about what has been unfolding in the last few days. I tend to think it's yet another effort by the DLC to assert it's supposed dominance in the party. If anybody is undermining the party it's the stinking DLC! They are a cancer within this party that must be purged!

Also, did anybody notice how stiff Nancy Pelosi looked when posing with Steny Hoyer?


My hope is that if a Democrat does take the White House, John Murtha best better get a cabinet seat. Maybe as Secretary of Defense.


John

[Kagemusha]

1. The House troops supported Hoyer.

And they're the ones who had a vote here.

[Cascadian]

2. Well they may have voted but I think something does not add up.

I tend to think the DLC had influence in this vote. Just my opinion.


John

[movonne]

10. Oh! I really agree with you...the DLC have their fingers in the Hoyer,

lieberman and Dean business...I am beginning to dislike them as much as some of these nasty repugs...I also believe that they want to keep this war going because the corporations are behind them and war is financial windfall for corporations..

[Cascadian]

11. And you know full well they want Hillary to be the nominee.

If that happens, the Democrats will lose the White House again and we'll have war continuing in Iraq and maybe Iran. God! The corporatists MUST GO in the party or else! It just burns me up!


:mad:


John

[Kagemusha]

15. If the DLC accepts House members then I suppose yes

if DLC members voted for Hoyer - because that is their right as elected members of the Democratic House Caucus - then yes the DLC had infuence in this vote.

So what...? That's like saying the American people had influence in the midterm elections. ...Your point?

[sabbat hunter]

3. other than Iraq

Murtha is pretty conservative. plus some issues he has had with his lobbyist brother probably makes it better that he isnt majority leader.

[bigdarryl]

4. There in a free fall the media is all over the dem's before they are...

even in power.

[NYCGirl]

5. Hoyer, BTW, is consistently more liberal than Murtha (except on Iraq). NT

[skipos]

7. Yes. That is why I am slightly glad Hoyer won. I still like Murtha though. nt

[Cascadian]

16. He maybe somewhat conservative but....

at least he had the honesty to say he regretted voting for the Iraq invasion and now he is making up for it. That is more than what you can say about Hillary Clinton. This is why Murtha was shoved aside. Any Democrat who continues to support this war and using differing "talking points" that amount to still staying the course with Iraq does not deserve to be in office let alone be President. That also means Hillary!


John

[NYCGirl]

18. Who's talking about Hillary? I was talking about Hoyer vs. Murtha. NT

[mitchtv]

6. Both plus Carville is a quisling

working to aid his wife(keep her out of jail) and the Clintons. DLC/Clintons nottoo far different

[wyldwolf]

8. It took a lot more than the DLC's 60-68 members to vote down Murtha.

[blm]

9. Carville wants Dean out so they can put a Clinton loyalist in.

They would have gone after Dean win or lose. Their audacity just became more blatant since Dean's strategy won.

Wake up to what the Clinton team is really doing - they have targeted ALL anti-corruption, open government Democrats who they see as an obstacle to Hillary in 2008.

The coverup wing of the party has to continue its deal for Clinton2 to coverup for Bush2 the way Clinton1 did for Bush1.

[DemBones DemBones]

20. I agree with you. The media are also pushing Hillary and McCain

and will no doubt continue to do so. They've got their marching orders.

[partylessinOhio]

12. I'm disappointed too. Jim Moran was just interviewed on MSNBC

and he seemed to be implying that some members lied to Murtha's face that he had their vote but then voted for Hoyer.

I fear we are in for a bumpy ride next year with many surprises.

My worst fear is that the war/invasion will continue and this weak Congress will keep funding it.

[johnlal]

13. Joe Lieberman's loss in primary was a shot at DLC

I don't know if these events were caused by DLC or not, but after Lieberman's embarrassment in the primaries, the DLC had better keep a low profile for a while. We're not done weeding out our garden.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Other than Carville, I haven't heard one person say that Dean should go

Not even Joe Lieberman.

[elizm]

17. Agree...the hug was...

COLD as ice!

[jzodda]

19. What did Steny do wrong?

"Also, did anybody notice how stiff Nancy Pelosi looked when posing with Steny Hoyer?"

Thats easy because they don't get along too well. They fought each other for leadership roles in the past and they have known each other since the 1960s. I don't know how far back the bad blood goes though. They worked in maryland politics for years before they entered the congress.

But when did Steny do wrong? He was #2, worked his ASS off to keep the Dems together on tight votes and did a great job at it and then he worked his ass off to try to get dems elected. He earned his stripes in a leadership role.

Murtha, his voice on Iraq non-withstanding, is the type of ear-mark hungry guy who we don't need iin the number 2 role, and thats not even touching the Abscam issues. His closeness to defense contractors make me somewhat uneasy as well. I'll take Steny any day of the week and twice on Sunday

[LittleClarkie]

21. I guess the House isn't filled with one issue voters

One stance on one issue isn't enough. And Hoyer was in line for the job.

Murtha is a good man on the subject of Iraq, but disagrees with many people here on almost everything else.

[dpbrown]

22. The DLC is trying to accrue the power unto itself that it wouldn't have without Howard

The DLC is trying to take over the victory.

They want the power that comes with winning back Congress, even though they couldn't win it back by themselves.

[sandnsea]

23. Robert Reich

I'll defer to Robert Reich because I'm tired of trying to make the point that what would seem to me to be as obvious as he nose on ones face.

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2006/11/why-are-they-gunning-for-howard-dean.html

"Why? Dems now control both Houses and have twenty-eight governorships. Dean ought to be congratulated. So what’s the underlying agenda here? Three theories:

1. The only way a Dem gets on television after such a sweet victory isn’t by criticizing Republicans – it’s by criticizing fellow Dems. Stirring up clear waters grabs attention. Attention draws crowds. Crowds create power. Power is the name of the game in Washington, especially when formal control of Congress changes hands.

2. Dean’s strategy of putting money into state party infrastructure takes money out of the pockets of Washington insiders – away form Democratic consultants and key congressional party activists. That makes insiders angry.

3. Dean is an independent DNC chair, not under the sway of the Clintons. Unlike Ron Brown, who guided the DNC toward a Clinton victory in 1992, Dean doesn’t play the usual power games. Hence, the Clintons would like him out, and the sooner the better. Carville, Greenberg, and Emmanuel, among others, are doing their bidding.

Which is it? I’m not so cynical or conspiratorial as to believe any one of them. But you come up with a more credible theory.