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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:04 PM
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I don't think I can see "Bobby" in a Theater.
I watched an old A&E TV movie about Bobby Kennedy and spent most of the time crying. Not exactly the manly thing to do,but absolutely unavoidable. The vision that RFK was articulating for America was so different from the relentless march to fascism being perpetrated by the RW that my tears were not just for the personal tragedy of his family but also for the recognition of how far the country has strayed from its fundamental values.
So I will have to wait for the new movie to come out on DVD rather than subject other movie goers to my unabashed emotional reaction to the man who"... saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it and saw war and tried to stop it". But I will make sure that my son sees it so he can know there was a time in America when idealism, courage and eloquence were on display in our public life.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:13 PM
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1. I watched that too and had an epiphany about Bobby...
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 12:14 PM by jhrobbins
and the Kennedy men as well. While I loved JFK and still love Teddy, I think that Bobby was the real deal in that family. He seemed to really believe the policies that he was espousing instead of just being a politician. I could be wrong, but I think that he could have been a 'defining' president had he lived.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:18 PM
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3. I think his son is the real deal too

And I have heard rumors that he may run for some kind of office. I admire RFK Jr. a great deal, and would vote for him.

I wish there was something he could do about his voice, which almost seems like a struggle at times. He is articulate, it is not that, not the content of what he says, just the sound of it.

I can get over it, no problem, but I'm thinking more about the masses of sheeple who might not listen to the content of what he says.

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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:04 PM
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8. It is called spasmodic dysphonia - and after I learned about it...
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 01:06 PM by jhrobbins
for some reason, his voice doesn't bother me anymore. FInd the information at the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasmodic_dysphonia


And you are right - I really think that he is a positive influence in the Democratic party and would like to see him go on and run again for something. Hopefully, this condition won't be a deterrent for him.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:16 PM
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2. .
I just realized a few days ago that there is this movie about him.
Quite an impressive cast.

We got robbed of so many good guys.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:27 PM
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4. I can't watch it anywhere. That period in history is so painful -
I don't want to relive it. When Bobby was killed I was traveling and spotted a lowered flag. I knew what had happened before I was told. It was horrible - it's still horrible.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:51 PM
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7. It's the pain of the death and what we lost ...I can't watch it on the big screen
will be waiting for the dvd to come out. I was only around 11 at the time but I still had the assassination of JFK on my mind ...too young to recover from the reality of what a sick world it was I lived in ...bad guys killing all the good guys like MLK, too.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:13 PM
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18. Notice that they were all Democrats! That speaks volumes. Also
all those who got the real or the make believe Anthrax letters were also all Democrats or perceived to be by the sender. (I'm thinking Tom Brokaw)
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:29 PM
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5. I watched it this morning on the History channel
they had a panel discussing the making of the movie and RFK's life. It didn't make me cry (guess I've become to hard and cynical) but it did make me think that maybe Democrats should suscribe to some of his thinking. What really struck me was the part in the movie where Johnson caved and announced he wouldn't seek re-election and Bobby was asked who he was and what he would run on. He said that they shouldn't run on their policy positions but what they stood for and he started naming them.. equal rights, poverty, environmental issues.. In other words, a message of hope and healing.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:31 PM
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6. me too, but i'll still buy a couple tickets to it
i could easily hurt someone when i think of Robbie Kennedy...them filthy pigs! how dare they! (and i don't care who did it; the fact is, no one ever nailed nixon, bush or so on...sirhan was a front for a vast apparatus that has done nada but fukk with the public interest for hundreds of years, only succeeding cuz the majority of ppl are either stupid, bored or they just don't care) and on top of everthing else, they have the nerve to make a movie about junyer bush getting hit!
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QMPMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:05 PM
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9. I'm taking lots of tissue with me when we go see it. I also cried
through Fahrenheit 9/11.
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sillyparty Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:18 PM
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10. Flip-Flopper
He was for the war, before he was against it.

Back then we could accept that, not so anymore.

My hero, the greatest, saw him a week before he died.

Hope the movie touches younger Americans like his life touched me.

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mantis49 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:25 PM
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11. I was really looking forward to a biopic about Bobby,
but one day last week I heard a review of the movie on NPR. According to the reviewer, it is about people in the campaign and workers at the hotel where he was shot: their personal lives. RFK is incidental. This is not what I want to see if true.

I agree with other posters that he would have overshadowed his brothers in greatness. My personal belief is that JFK is overrated and romanticized. What I understand in reading about the civil rights movement, JFK was very reluctant to enact any legislation or get involved in any way. RFK pushed him to do things in regards to civil rights.

I also believe we would have been out of Viet Nam very quickly if he had lived. And, of course, Nixon would never have happened.

Just my opinion.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:37 PM
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12.  The real tragedy is...
When JFK was killed it was a complete shock.
When RFK was killed it was almost expected.
A lot happened in those 5 years.


Like so many, we never saw him grow fat or old and grey, He is frozen in time as a young idealist, all promise and hope. If only I was as hopeful and idealistic as I was then.
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:39 PM
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13. Me either. At 13 I was traumatized by his death
and I cried each time "Abraham, Martin and John (and Bobby) played on the radio. Even typing this wells me up with emotion. My sister who is 6 years younger wants to see it to understand better from an historical perspective. I told her I don't think I can watch it without all those feelings overwhelming me.
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Proud MD Liberal Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:24 PM
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14. I was only a toddler when RFK was shot
But do feel a great sense of loss when thinking about what could have been. One of the most liberal and progressive professors I had in college was against capital punishment in all cases, except for the RFK assassin. I'll never forget what he said as it was so out of character: "I'll go and flip the switch myself."
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:45 PM
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16. I don't go that far, but I worry every time Sirhan comes up
for parole that they will let him out.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:45 PM
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15. I went to an advanced screening of "Bobby" a couple of weeks ago
They used actual footage of Bobby campaigning, and of course, from that night at the Ambassador Hotel. The movie is about his last day, and focuses a lot on the people working and staying at the Ambassador. There are funny parts, there are personal dramas between various people, etc. But what I kept thinking was that as these people went about their business, they had absolutely no idea of the tragedy that was headed their way that night. And I cried at the end, as did a number of people in the theater. It was difficult to watch at the end, but it was also great to hear and see RFK again. I took my 26 year old daughter with me, and she was so impressed by RFK that when she got home, she put the speech of his they play at the end of the movie on her blog. She wanted other people her age, who visit her blog quite frequently, to know how great he was. And she is encouraging her friends to see the movie when it comes out. That in itself was worth the tears.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:49 PM
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17. He would've been the best President of all time
So much would be different today if he hadn't been assassinated.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:30 PM
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19. I think it is amazing that after so many years, so many people
can have such an emotional reaction to a public figure. I appreciate all that have responded to this and shared the pain and frustration that still haunts us. It is important that we share this remarkable man's story with our children. They have grown up in a distressingly cynical time when the RW and the Commercial Media have conspired to wring any hope of a progressive sensibility out of our culture.The undeniable truth is that liberals and radicals have achieved great things together. The 60's were a time of turmoil,but segregation was defeated and an immoral war was defied. We who were part of this period should look to those who moved the country then. They refused to be intimidated by Southern sheriffs or Neanderthal politicians. W and his thugs are not defeated. The next two years will be fraught with threats to our constitution and our ideals.The courage of our convictions and the examples set by Bobby Kennedy and Dr. King should nurture the fighting spirit that is necessary to halt our slide into fascism. Let our emotions fuel a fierce determination to resist these thugs and help rekindle the vision that RFK spoke of during his last campaign and MLK so eloquently described from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:50 PM
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20. Idealism, courage, eloquence are on display again; his name is Wes Clark.
Not since Bobby Kennedy have I been so inspired by a public figure as I have been inspired by Wes Clark. We have an opportunity for this American hero to be the president who leads us to a return of the ideals of RFK.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:28 AM
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21. refuse to see anything in which Ms. Lohan participates
she makes me ill
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:51 AM
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22. Don't let her stop you. This has an amazing cast
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 10:52 AM by drbtg1
Harry Belafonte, Laurence Fishburne, Heather Graham, Anthony Hopkins, Helen Hunt, William H. Macy, Demi Moore, Martin Sheen, Christian Slater, Elijah Wood.

Surely there's someone there that will help with the anticipated nausea.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308055/fullcredits
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