My response to a winger

[lwcon]

You'd think that we'd have heard the end of this kind of talk by now, but this was a comment I received in response to a blog post about the Iraq War.

Actually there are a bunch of people talking about why we are there….trouble is, liberals only hear what they want…..not the truth. We were attacked!! Remember? We have troops over there taking care of terrorism, a job that is hard enough without Liberals like Kerry and Schumer and Kennedy accusing them of horrible things, but ignoring it when they are the victims. Where is your outrage when our troops are captured, tortured and beheaded in front of a video camera showing it to the world? Ask 95% of our troops, and they know why we are there, and why it is imperative we win……but don’t search out only the 5% you alays search out…….ask the majority. You will learn why we are there.

My response follows...


Robert,

Let's take this step by step.

Actually there are a bunch of people talking about why we are there

Who is talking about this? What are they saying?

...trouble is, liberals only hear what they want…..not the truth.

Aren't the people who started a war on a whim and ignored all responsible planning and created a situation which many of their own advisors now admit is unwinnable the ones who are guilty of that?

We were attacked!!

"We were attacked" leaves out some very important information, namely who attacked us. How about "We were attacked by Al Qaeda"? Writing in the passive voice, and leaving out those four syllables is not a blank check for killing people, even if they should happen to be Arab Muslims. And especially if they live in a secular dictatorship that we have successfully hemmed in, making it about the least of our worries in the Middle East, until Bush blundered in and turned it into a civil war, with ramifications throughout that volatile region. Not to mention, our credibility is shot to hell when we fight a pre-emptive war because of non-existent WMD. Now our enemies will have very good reason to believe their most paranoid fantasies about us, and they'll be happy to "bring it on" without provocation. If you prefer the macho bluster of thinking we can't be hurt if we just keep randomly destroying countries, I ask you to recall how rather important it was in World War I and World War II to have allies. Oh, and if you care, it might not be the most admirable thing to do to senselessly cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, including now about the same number of Americans who died on 9/11.

Remember?

You know what's un-American? Acting like your brand of American is the only kind there is, like only Rush Limbaugh's ignorant minions care when 3,000 of our countrymen are senselessy, brutally murdered. If any American can be accused of forgetting 9/11, it is the man who said this about Osama Bin Laden: "I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." Why don't you tell him what you think about such talk? His address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC.

We have troops over there taking care of terrorism,

The National Intelligence Estimate stated that the war in Iraq is increasing terrorism. Is that what you mean by "taking care of" it?

a job that is hard enough without Liberals like Kerry and Schumer and Kennedy accusing them of horrible things, but ignoring it when they are the victims.

What are these horrible things they're accusing our troops of? Deserving a better fate than killing and dying in a disastrous and unnecessary war?

Where is your outrage when our troops are captured, tortured and beheaded in front of a video camera showing it to the world?

I'm damn well outraged about it, as I am about the sin of sending them into harm's way without any earthly justification. Where is your outrage about that?

Ask 95% of our troops, and they know why we are there, and why it is imperative we win

Our troops pledge their loyalty to the United States, to our Commander-in-Chief, and most of all to each other. Unfortunately, the first two have let them down. I wish more than anything that we could win, and that Iraq would become the basket of warm puppies that Bush's cronies at Project for a New American Century said it would be. But it isn't possible, and every day more and more people close to Bush are coming to realize it. Our military did an amazing job with the invasion, but the mission sent from on high was horribly flawed, just wishful thinking that Iraq's bitter sectarian factions wouldn't turn the power vacuum into a full-scale civil war.

...but don’t search out only the 5% you alays search out... ask the majority. You will learn why we are there.

The majority just voted your guys out of Congress, and not a moment too soon.

Since you're part of that so-called majority, tell us "Why the f**k are we in Iraq?" Because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, nothing. The war has led to more terrorism, not less, and our young men and women keep dying. And for what?

8/26/06:
REPORTER: What did Iraq have to do with that?

BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

REPORTER: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing.


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[ThomCat]

1. Nice rebuttal, but futile.

I wish you much patience.

[lwcon]

2. Yup, I know

But sometimes you feel the need to throw it right back at them, anyway.

If he responds, you can bet the ranch that he'll do it by starting a few new brushfires of mistruth, not by addressing the points.

I really would like sometime to debate with a conservative who has some sort of legitimate-sounding arguments. I don't want to de-facto assume that we're right on all the issues, but it always seems like these guys got nothin'.

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[rgbecker]

3. Bush comes clean on 8/26/06!?!

Great rebutt.  Do you have a link for the 8/26/06 exchange
with reporter? Bush's Dad was saying about his honest son and
I know he'd be interested in seeing this moment of candor from
the whitehouse,  just to, you know, show those Arabs what's
what. 

[Vyan]

4. It's here.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html

Q What did Iraq have to do with that?

THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?

Q The attack on the World Trade Center?

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case.

And one way to defeat that -- defeat resentment is with hope. And the best way to do hope is through a form of government. Now, I said going into Iraq that we've got to take these threats seriously before they fully materialize. I saw a threat. I fully believe it was the right decision to remove Saddam Hussein, and I fully believe the world is better off without him. Now, the question is how do we succeed in Iraq? And you don't succeed by leaving before the mission is complete, like some in this political process are suggesting.

Nice argument Prez except that Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice and Tony Snow did suggest that Saddam had links to Al Qaeda even after the Senate Intelligence Report said he didn't. And oh by the way - after eight years of no-fly zones and sanctions Saddam was no threat.

Vyan

[lwcon]

6. Dang, beaten! n/t

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[lwcon]

5. Sorry, it's not the most credible source. :v)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html

Turns out the date was 8/21, my bad. But I suppose some people have made worse mistakes, though none come to mind. As Bush said when asked if he'd ever made any mistakes:

"I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I can plan for it. Uh... <...> You know, I just, uh... I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet. I, uh... <...> I just haven't -- you just put me under the spot here, and -- maybe I'm not quick, as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one."


Also, on 9/6/06, Dubya said this: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the War on Terror."

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[myrna minx]

7. It is so sad that at this time in 2006

that there are folks out there who are still in such a state of denial about Iraq. Good job on your response, but unfortunately, I'm sure it fell on deaf ears. :-(

[jgraz]

8. Not bad, but you forgot one key point

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DEGENERATE SISTER-FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

Everyone seems to miss that one.

[lwcon]

9. Damn, I knew I forgot something n/t

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