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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:10 PM
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Remember HeyJohn:
From the The Premise:

November 24th, 2006 - 1:52 pm |

Remember the HeyJohn.org site? The anonymous site trying to extort money from John Kerry in order to expand the political playing field for the 2006 elections?

Well, last time I checked — and this was weeks and weeks ago — the site had been taken down. Today, though, I ran across it again, and it’s back up.

Here’s the last ominous post, dated October 23rd:

Now, we wait…

Well, he heard us. And he made his decision known. As reported in articles from the AP to the Boston Globe, and on ABC News’s “This Week,” John Kerry refused to let our money go.

“I’ll continue to raise money. I’ll continue to give money,” he said yesterday to George Stephanopoulos.

We hope that’s true. But if it’s not, and if we fail to take back the House and the Senate, we’ll remember.

John Kerry could have done more.

Well, now we know. John Kerry did what he needed to do, and because of it Democrats took the House and the Senate. The anonymous site owner(s) of HeyJohn.org doubted John Kerry’s judgment, and John Kerry proved them wrong.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:23 PM
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1. heyjohn told the truth
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 07:24 PM by AtomicKitten
According to this 10/21/06 Boston Globe article:
edited for link: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/10/21/kerry_is_pressured_to_share_campaign_wealth/

Critics in his own party excoriated Kerry for leaving $16 million in the bank after his 2004 presidential campaign. Though federal spending limits kept him from using it all on his own campaign, he could have given away what the law said he couldn't spend; that year, Democrats lost seats in both the House and the Senate.

Kerry aides said the senator saved the cash to cover leftover presidential campaign bills and to pay for lawyers in case he had to challenge voting irregularities in some states or if his race against President Bush had to be settled in court.

Though he quickly kicked in (Dec 2004) $1 million to the DSCC, gave $500,000 to the DCCC, and $1 million to the Democratic National Committee, Kerry has held on to the bulk of his campaign money as he prepares for a possible second run at the White House in 2008.

Last month, when DSCC officials asked all Democratic senators for last-call financial contributions before Election Day, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts was among three lawmakers who donated $1 million each. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York signed a check for $2 million.

Kerry, however, kept his checkbook shut. The senator's aides said he has no plans to give again.


Jerry Lundergan, chairman of the Kentucky Democratic Party, said he contacted Kerry's advisers on Thursday, urging them to tell the senator how much the congressional campaigns need his money.

"I have made my wishes known," said Lundergan, whose state features two close House races in which Democrats have a good chance to oust incumbent Republicans. "It's his money to do with what he wants to. But I only hope that he shares some of it with those states, such as Kentucky, which contributed very extensively to his campaign. "



Kerry was shamed into contributing another $500,000 from his warchest making his total contribution $3 million from the money he has squirreled away leftover from and since the 2004 campaign.

No one disputes that he has raised other funding for the 2006 midterms. But to continue to post opinion pieces as PROOF that heyjohn was wrong is factually incorrect. You may not like it, but what they put forward was truthful. You managed to steer the conversation away from this fact and onto the anonymity of the website, but the truth is the truth.

The truth still matters to some of us.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:28 PM
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2. Funny - every time I post how MUCH truth matters, over much more SERIOUS matters
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 07:30 PM by blm
you don't particularly care for the truth.

And I would put Parry's investigational reporting about serious matters up against anyone from the Boston Globe's political reporting team who YOU rely on for your 'truth' about Kerry.

Oh well, I'll give you another chance, now that you have declared how important truth is to you and that it really does MATTER to you.

Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:36 PM
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3. and YET AGAIN
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 07:41 PM by AtomicKitten
I will point out that this conversation has nothing to do with either Clinton, although you and yours have a penchant for dragging them into just about everything posted on DU.

I will not participate in your incessant Clinton-bashing other than to point out that opinion pieces are not gospel.

And, um, for the record, telling the truth about Kerry although construed by you and yours as bashing, and telling the truth about the Clintons construed by you and yours as support, is still just the truth.

The above-posted figures in the Boston Globe piece are factual and back up that put forward by heyjohn.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 07:55 PM
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4. The point of the OP is
Democrats won with Kerry's help! We won with Kerry's help!


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:24 PM
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5. You have been told you are wrong any number of times
Kerry gave the $3 million to the 3 committees. He also gave money directly to candidates (the limit per candidate is pretty low - but he gave the max for MANY candiddates.) He also solicited money for many candidates - and he PAID the cost of doing so. He had about $14 million at the beginning of Sept , and he had spent down to $8.5 million - that was spent for the 2006 effort. He raised around $14 million. He did not raise 1 cent for himself in 2006.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:40 PM
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6. You show me another politician that contributed 14 million dollars overall
regardless of whether it was from personal funds or PAC's. Heyjohn was a smear site meant to do damage to Kerry-period. And, you know it. Overall, he campaigned, raised money for and promoted more Dem's than any other politician this year. Go try and prove me wrong.
Actually, I get it,I really do. You do not like Kerry and find any criticism of him justified.
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