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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:16 AM
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WSJ op-ed describes as "cowards" those who trash a "beleaguered" Bush in "demonic" tones

Losing the Enlightenment

A civilization that has lost confidence in itself cannot confront the Islamists.

BY VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

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There is, in fact, a long list of reasons, among them most surely the assurance that cruel critics of things Western rant without being killed. Such cowards puff out their chests when trashing an ill Oriana Fallaci or a comatose Ariel Sharon or beleaguered George W. Bush in the most demonic of tones, but they prove sunken and sullen when threatened by a thuggish Dr. Zawahiri or a grand mufti of some obscure mosque.

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We on this side of Atlantic also are showing different symptoms of this same Western malaise, but more likely through heated rhetoric than complacent indifference--given the events of September 11 that galvanized many, while disappointing liberals that past appeasement had created monsters rather than mere confused, if not dangerous rivals. The war on terror has turned out to be the torn scab that has exposed a deep wound beneath, of an endemic Western self-loathing--and near mania that our own superior education and material wealth have not eliminated altogether the need for force and coercion.

Consider some of the recent rabid outbursts by once sober, old-guard politicians of the Democratic Party. West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller insists that the world would be better off if Saddam were still running Iraq. Congressman John Murtha, of Pennsylvania, rushed to announce that our Marines were guilty of killing Iraqis in "cold blood" before they were tried. Illinois Senator Richard Durbin has compared our interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis and mass murderers, while Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said our soldiers have "terrorized" Iraqi women and children. The same John Kerry warned young Americans to study or they would end up in the volunteer army in Iraq--even though today's soldiers have higher educational levels than does the general public. But furor as well as fear, not logic, drives us in West to seek blame among the humane among us rather than the savagery of our enemies.

Billionaire leftist philanthropists seem to be confused about the nature of American society and politics that gave them everything they so sumptuously enjoy. Ted Turner of CNN fame and fortune said he resented President Bush asking Americans, after 9/11, to take sides in our war against Islamic terrorists. George Soros claimed that President Bush had improved on Nazi propaganda methods. Dreaming of killing an elected president, not a mass-murdering Osama Bin Laden, is a new national pastime. That is the theme of both a recent docudrama film and an Alfred Knopf book.

more...


What a crock!

What next trying the Democrats and liberals for treason because they criticize the Bush admin?
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:19 AM
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1. Fodder for Bushites. Fortunatly, his words (lies) will fall on more deaf ears these days. n/t
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:19 AM
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2. WSJ Opinion page is notoriously right wing.
Demonic, in fact.

:eyes:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:28 AM
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3. whoring for bush until the end
disgusting
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:34 AM
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4. Well I describe as cowards those who don't.
Typical WSJ rightist crap. When are we going to build a real news-media?
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Diego360 Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:35 AM
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5. Thanks for this
I had Mr. Davis' new book on the Spartans on my wish list of books-- think I'll spend my $18 on something else.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:39 AM
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6. The WSJ is becoming as relevant as Faux News
They stuck themselves out as a propaganda arm of the bushbots and neocons and are now running scared as they should well be. Their endorsement of a faulty war against Iraq was as false as the WH arguments.

They have hung themselves out to dry. Sad, a once respected journal.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:41 AM
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7. Counterpunch's Werther on VD Hanson (via Wolcott)...
It becomes clear that the name of his game is to take every erroneous conventional wisdom, cliche, faulty generalization, and common-man imbecility, and elevate them to a catechism. In this process, he showcases a technique beloved of pseudo-conservatives stuck at the Sean Hannity level of debate: he swallows whatever quasi-historical balderdash serves the interest of those in power, announces it with an air of surprised discovery, and then congratulates himself on his boldness in telling truth to power.


http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/blogs/wolcott/2005/09/marlboro_man_ge.html
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:46 AM
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8. The right wing media is withering on the vine...finally
About six years too late.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:04 AM
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9. no one serious takes the WSJ op-ed page seriously
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 02:05 AM by Lexingtonian
I mean, the point of it is to keep some crappy writers on a payroll more than anything else. For this fellow V.D. Hanson, if you killed all the extraneous adjectives and selfcongratulations, there'd be nothing to read.

As for the strawman rhetorical construct- the argument of the present is about Modernity, not the Enlightenment. If Mr. Hanson were to go to rural Kansas he'd find the Enlightment as absent and abrogated as anywhere in the world.

Being a writer/propagandist for the Right means that your career will be graced with memorialized insights such as "We can relearn that we are not fighting for George Bush or Wal-Mart alone". Need one add anything to this?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:37 AM
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10. Yammer Yammer Yammer
Blah, blah, blah, blah, traitors, blah, blah, aiding the enemy, blah, blah, evil liberals, blah, blah, yammer, yammer, blame America first, blah, blah, yammer yammer.

If you see that your country is doing wrong, you have a RESPONSIBILITY to say something. To remain silent is a sign of moral bankruptcy.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:40 AM
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11. Nice, and it has an outright lie in it, too- Kerry's botched joke. nt
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:59 AM
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12. I love the WSJ
But I have always taken the editorial page with an enormous grain of salt. The people that write that stuff are crazy.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:34 AM
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13. I'd love to bitch slap that bastid into next week.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:57 AM
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14. Why is he paid to write this sophomoric drivel? And who is paying him?
That is the question. And it is the crucial question that we need to ask regarding all products of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. Why does the composer of these "talking points" have a forum? (Or, possibly, who is the real composer of these "talking points"?) Whose money is shoveling this manure into the public dialogue? How does inferior thinking and writing achieve such a prominent venue?

These questions are more to the point than anything this writer has to say. We--most of us here at DU, anyway (and I would guess much of the left majority)--tend to engage in honest dialogue with remote agents whose names we don't know, and possibly cannot know, that is, those billionaire fascists who control all news and opinion in this country, and who fund entire "think tanks" to promulgate lies and disinformation throughout the news media and thus into public consciousness. When you read something in the WSJ--or are exposed to almost any product of the corporate news monopolies, including much of the "news" itself--you are NOT encountering an honest piece of work. You are encountering a highly contrived and lavishly funded, and sometimes clever effort to force you to think along very narrow pathways, but much more than this, an effort to assert power over you, by giving you the impression that your own thoughts don't matter much--though they may be far superior and far better founded in facts and reality than anything you are reading or hearing--and that all that matters is that the idiot you are reading/listening to has a forum, and you do not, is part of the "in" crowd, and you are not, and gets paid for writing lies and garbage, while far better writers and thinkers starve. The writers and editors of these fascist billionaire "talking points" have been carefully selected to weed out any lively, original thought, and any subject or attitude that might help the reader/hearer along the path to enlightenment. The idea, really, is to suppress you--to dumb you down, and, most of all, to reinforce your powerlessness.

Just one thought on this writer's content: He doesn't know what "our civilization" IS. He is therefore unqualified to comment on it having "lost confidence in itself." For instance, what he calls "endemic Western self-loathing" is the very heart of the Enlightenment, if it is understood correctly, and not given this negative, fascist spin. "Self-loathing"--i.e., "self-criticism"-- is why we don't have Inquisitions and witch-burnings any more. It's why we don't have slavery any more. It's why women have the vote. It's why we got rid of racial segregation. It's how Social Security came into being. It's why we have universal public education. It's the thing that prompted the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations. We weren't good enough. We weren't educated enough. We weren't generous enough. We weren't enlightened enough. We came to loathe ourselves for owning slaves. We came to loathe ourselves for burning women at the stake. We came to loathe ourselves for the Great Depression, and the suffering that the rich inflicted on the poor. And we changed, and stopped committing these crimes, and created new ideas and policies to correct the wrongs that our "self-loathing" exposed.

Our confidence in our "civilization" is alive and well. We loathe ourselves for letting George Bush and his fascist/corporate cabal slaughter one hundred thousand innocent Iraqis (in the initial bombing alone), torture prisoners, and run up a $10 TRILLION deficit amidst multiple tax cuts for the super-rich. And, as a result of this "self-loathing," we are taking responsibility for our country, as we must if we intend to continue as a democracy, and are analyzing the ways that we, as citizens, have failed, the way our institutions (including the entire press corps) have failed, and the way our election system has failed, and we are trying to correct these failures, and restore American democracy, Constitutional government, the rule of laws not men, enlightened, progressive values, and common decency.

If George Bush and his nutso crusade against Islam is the sum of our "civilization" then our civilization has, indeed, failed. For there could not be a less enlightened or more brainless leader of our society, nor a more self-destructive policy than slaughtering and torturing Innocent people, and ripping up the Constitution.

The writer--like the Popes of Medieval Europe--tries to rouse us to the Great Crusade once again. Been there. Done that. Bloodshed and rapine all across Europe to Jerusalem. No thanks. Never again. We're not talking swords and catapults here, awful as those were. We're talking nukes. And our "self-loathing" warns us that enlightened, civilized people should not incinerate the Middle East--and, if Carl Sagan was right, the entire planet--over a difference in religion.

But you knew all this, dear reader, didn't you? You knew that this horse's ass--Victor Davis Hanson--should not be given money or prominence, or a prized bit of space in a major publication, to write about something he doesn't understand. Our civilization. To miss its major point: self-criticism is the very foundation of human progress and democracy. To write drivel about it--in the service of war profiteers.

Just keep your thinking caps on, is all I'm saying. And...

Follow. The. Money.

Always.

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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:02 AM
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15. Victor Davis Hanson is a dickhead.
He gave us this little gem.
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