What's happened to our governors in 2008?

[BluegrassDem]

We may not have a single governor running for president in 2008. The only one even whispered about is Richardson. But we have some great Democratic governors all across the country and I'm just shocked that none of them is willing to run. Do they all have some skeletons lurking around or what?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

1. Perhaps they just don't have presidential aspirations?

Just a guess, but it's possible.

[skipos]

2. Damn straight. We need more non-senators from flippable red states

Only 2 senators have been elected president in the last 100 years and neither one defeated an incumbent president. Senators are easier to slime.

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[Alexander]

11. Welcome to DU...enjoy your stay.

I suspect it will be a short one.

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[Alexander]

30. You spelled it wrong.

Maybe you meant to say "felicidades."

But hey, if you worship a faker who can't speak English or Spanish (but claims to know both), I guess it makes sense that you'd fake speaking Spanish.

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[Alexander]

33. Thanks for violating DU rules and exposing yourself as a Freeper.

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[Alexander]

42. If you hate DU so much, why are you here?

And seeing your reaction to the Nativity scene was quite enough, thanks. Irrational fears about how we'll just become like Europe (have you even been there? Or anywhere?) usually come from freepers.

One thing you've done has impressed me, though - you've managed to spew your right-wing fascist-loving vomit for a stunning 13 posts without being banned yet.

Although since there are quite a few DUers who have already alerted on your freeping ass, I imagine it's only a matter of time until you crawl back to your little freeper hole.

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[Hong Kong Cavalier]

48. Adios

May you wake up screaming when you realize how wrong you are.

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[Alexander]

20. That's because the question is loaded, and biased.

When did you stop beating your wife?

As I said, with such "questions", I doubt you'll be here long, as I doubt you really want answers.

[jba]

23. Ok, Al

What specifically, will the Dems/Libs do to solve the problems I mentioned?

[Alexander]

24. For starters, maybe a little diplomacy.

Closing tax loopholes so CEOs don't get away with stiffing the IRS.

Setting timetables for a phased withdrawal from Iraq so the country can govern itself, and our troops don't have to die for a stupid and meaningless war.

Of course, if you've been watching FOX News for the past few years, it would be easy to see how you missed out on these proposals...

[jba]

29. Thanks Al, for stepping up to the plate.

Of course I view conservative media! What CEO's ? What Loop Holes? Don't know about you, but I know of no organization that got away with not paying it's taxes - please correct me!
Yea, lets tell our enemies when were leaving - @$#$^%^ Brilliant!

[Alexander]

32. Your regurgitation of right-wing talking points is not welcome here.

"Of course I view conservative media!" - That's your first mistake.

"What CEO's ? What Loop Holes?" - Current tax laws are structured so that a single mailbox in the Caymans means the company is not considered a US company and doesn't pay US taxes. Unsurprisingly, it's usually the big money that gets through this loophole.

"Don't know about you, but I know of no organization that got away with not paying it's taxes - please correct me!" - Of course you don't, because you view "conservative media". You probably think Bush really didn't know Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron. After all, he only used Lay's jet for his 2000 campaign.

"Yea, lets tell our enemies when were leaving - @$#$^%^ Brilliant!" - Yes, let's. Then maybe, just maybe, they won't see us as "enemies" any more, since we won't be occupying their home under false pretenses.

Been to Free Republic much? You might like it over there. It seems more your style.

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[Alexander]

46. Your spelling and grammar are as shitty as your talking points.

Work on that, so maybe we English-speakers will understand just what the hell you're saying.

[silverojo]

35. Only freepers use the word "lib"

BUSTED, asshole!

[Alexander]

39. Don't feed jba, ALERT the bastard.

I'm surprised he (and it is likely a "he") hasn't been tombstoned by now.

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[Alexander]

44. We've got plenty to offer....but you're not interested in debate, or anything else.

You are interested in disruption, and despite the valid points we DUers have made regarding your utterly factless and unsupportable posts, you ignore those in favor of your pro-Bush, right-wing talking points. A real "victory" for you, I guess, if you don't know the first thing about facts and logic. :eyes:

Crawl out of Momma's basement and get a life.

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[skipos]

16. You know that the economy historically is MUCH better under Dem presidents, correct?

And that the stock market performs MUCH better under Dem presidents, correct?

I just want to make sure this is a reality based conversation.

[jba]

18. Live one, which reality is that?

Thats why the stock market dropped when the dems won majority right? Oh, and why it topped out to a record high recently at 12K undder Clinton? Nope guess again!

[skipos]

19. I am guessing reality is kryptonite for ya, but just in case

I'll admit this info is before the latest stock market run, but it won't be enough to change the overall data.

Democratic presidents historically yeild better economies. This is from FORBES:

"Not surprisingly, Bill Clinton tops the magazine's prosperity chart. He is followed by two other Democrats – Johnson and Kennedy. The first Republican to show up is Reagan, who comes in fourth. No Democrat finishes lower than seventh (Truman), and the last three spots are all occupied by Republicans (Nixon, Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush). On a scale of one to eleven (one being Bill Clinton, eleven being the elder Bush), Democrats have an average ranking of 3.8, Republicans of 7.8."

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=131769

That probably explains why democrats are better for the stock market too.

DOW SINCE 1901
Republican years Avg. annual change 6.9%
Democratic years Avg. annual change 13.3%
Source: Stock Trader's Almanac 2005

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2005-12-02-presidents_x.htm

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[Alexander]

28. "Tax increases have Never stimulated the economy."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You do know Reagan raised payroll taxes, right?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ruggerson]

38. Predicessors?

Are you series?!!! That's hugh!!!!

[ruggerson]

41. Btw, in all seriousness

ALL YOUR HOUSE AND SENATE ARE BELONG TO US.

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[Alexander]

45. First answer remains - which you repeatedly ignore.

So what do you want on your tombstone, for lasting this long? Roses?

[AussieDave]

49. Isn't it strange how Freepers and Republicans want Dems to clean up THEIR messes

Ever hear of the Pottery Barn Rule - "you broke it, you own it" ??

No wonder W has been sent to the sin bin............

[Alexander]

51. Truly amazing, how the "party of personal responsibility" works.

All the while shouting down opposing viewpoints, ignoring logical alternatives and repeating "But you libs dont have a PLAN!!!!!1111"

:eyes:

Like children who never grew up.

[AussieDave]

52. Ah, but then over the next 2 years, as problems are solved by Dem leadership

it will be "Our President has made great progress by working with the Dem Congress (read: "dragged kicking and screaming") to address our nation's problems".

It was the Republican Plan all along !!!

D'oh !!!!:rofl:

[Alexander]

53. And then in the next 8 years, as President Gore solves real issues...

It will be "Gore just inherited the good economy/war/environment/insert-bullshit-here" that Bush gave him!!!11"

But with much worse spelling, syntax and grammar. They will likely call Bush Gore's "predicessor" and speak of how they "gadgeated" with an MBA.

:rofl:

[AussieDave]

54. Oh SNAP - you nasty person !!!!

We'll fight the bad spelling/grammar/syntax in Freeperland so we don't have to fight it in DU.

Isn't that what being an Amurkin is all about ??? :o

(btw - I think your little friend has been sent to beddie-byes in his jim-jams - WAY past his bedtime - being a keyboard warrior can be SOOOO tiring for little minds)

[Alexander]

55. I also wonder how much political work they do outside of message boards.

I phone-banked for Gore/Lieberman (I was 17), worked for Bill Curry (CT gov) in 2002, canvassed for John Kerry in 2004, and canvassed for Harry Mitchell, Janet Napolitano, and Jim Pederson this year.

I write my Congresscritters quite often, attend YD meetings on campus, show up for multitudes of activist events (pro-gay rights demonstrations being one, anti-war marches being another) and generally pester the crap out of my politically lazy/uninformed friends to get involved.

I wonder, if we were able to ask freepers, what they do besides being keyboard commandos, holding occasional "support the troops" rallies where maybe 5 people show up, and sending fake anthrax letters to officials and commentators.

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[Alexander]

21. The stock market does not equal the economy. Did you sleep through ECON 101?

By the way, please let me know what administration it was that oversaw the DJIA go from 3,000 to over 10,000 (a record high).

I'll give you a hint, it wasn't a Republican.

Posts like these make DUers think that maybe you'd be more interested in this forum:

http://www.freerepublic.com

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[Alexander]

27. I did answer the question, you just ignored my answer.

Under BILL CLINTON, the stock market grew. Threefold. From around 3,000 to around 10,000 when he left.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

3. I heard Rendell could possibly throw his hat in the race

but more than likely wishful thinking by someone.

[rucky]

4. Vilsack's already announced his intentions:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/12/01/governor_of_iowa_to_run_for_president/

[jgraz]

5. Also Evan Bayh (frmr Gov) will probably run

I'm so excited I can hardly sit still

:boring:

[LiberalFighter]

14. Republican leaders would probably support Bayh becoming prez

That way they would be able to turn that office red along with Lugar. Only way it will happen UNLESS we can win back the Gov's office in 08. Then Dem Gov can appoint Bayh's replacement to fill remainder of term.

[brazos121200]

6. I think Governor Phil Bredesen of Tennessee

would make an excellent Presidential candidate in '08. This
year he was re-elected with over 68 percent of the vote from a
truly red southern state. I understand that he has said he is
not interested in a Presidential race, but people have been
known to change their mind when circumstances change. He is
immensely popular in the state and I believe he would be able
to carry some southern states, which is essential for a
Democratec candidate to win. I think the fact that he does not
have an overwhelming ambition to become President is an asset,
not a liability. 

[WorseBeforeBetter]

7. I dunno, perhaps you can do a little digging to see what sort of...

dirt you can turn up. I think Schweitzer and Spitzer are ones to watch, but '08 is too soon. Which governor would you suggest in 2008?

[Jim Sagle]

8. In this media age Richardson is just what we need. A short and fat ugly bozo.

:rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

9. Harsh.

:popcorn:

[Superman Returns]

12. Vilsack is running

Duh! jk

[Odin2005]

26. You mean the Vile Sack?

:evilgrin:

[snowbear]

60. That's not nice Odin!

I know diddly-squat about Vilsack, so I won't comment on him..

Saw Conan on his show the other night saying "Vilsack, VILSACK, how could you have a president with a funny name like Vilsack??!?"


I thought.

"BUSH" sounds a hell of a lot funnier than Vilsack to me.

But between Bush 1 & 2, we've had over 10 years of getting used to hearing the term "President Bush" so it seems normal to hear..

If Barack Obama won, after a period of time.. President Obama would be as common as Bush.. or Vilsack.. or whatever.

So in other words, screw U to Conan...

What's wrong with Governor Vilsack in your opinion Odin? Fill me in on why you don't like him..

[liberalpragmatist]

17. Which Governors Would You Have Run?

We don't hold the governorship of any big states except Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Illinois. Between them, Ed Rendell could have been a formidable candidate, but his approval ratings in Pennsylvania are only so/so and he never expressed any interest in running. Jennifer Granholm in Michigan has the crappiest economy in the country (not really her fault) and is Canadian-born, so ineligible for the highest office. And although supposedly Gov. Blagojevich in Illinois had presidential ambitions, he's very unpopular, runs a scandal-ridden administration and (despite winning reelection) and has been a massive disappointment.

We hold governorships in Maine, and Oregon that are held by relatively unpopular incumbents, as well.

The governors of Wyoming and Oklahoma are very popular and effective, but not interested in running for president and also too conservative for the national party. Much the same with Phil Bredesen in Tennessee and Mike Easley in North Carolina.

The governors of New Jersey, Virginia, Montana, and West Virginia are popular, but all are in their first terms (and the WV governor is too conservative for the national party as well). I don't know how popular Christine Gregoire in Washington is, but she's also first-term. The uber-popular governor of New Hampshire is governor of a very small state and is also only in his second 2-year term.

That leaves Gov. Richardson of New Mexico, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, Gov. Vilsack of Iowa, and Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona. Also, former Gov. Mark Warner in Virginia. Of these, Warner nearly ran and was top-tier, but bowed out a couple months ago. Although it's petty, Gov. Napolitano is single and, largely because of that, suffers from whispers that she's lesbian. Vilsack and Richardson ARE running.

So really, that leaves three viable governors that chose not to run - Sebelius, Rendell, and Warner (VA).

Simply put, there aren't any real "wunderkid" Democrat governors out there right now with enough experience or time in office to justify a presidential bid. No Clinton or even a Carter or (Democratic) Reagan. Sebelius could be good, but the field's already very crowded. And of course, Brian Schweitzer is fantastic, but he's also in his first term.

[Infinite Hope]

50. Actually, there are several...

I'll start a thread with them to start talk on what we know about each one.

[Infinite Hope]

58. A list of possible Democratic Governors for President can be found in *This Thread*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3002174

[Hippo_Tron]

59. Because 1994, 1998, and 2002 were all shitty years for Democrats in State Houses

2003 and 2004 weren't so hot, either.

At one point the GOP controlled Governorships 31/17 (1 Independent).