I don't like Hillary for Prez and I'M SICK OF THE BASHING

[Nightjock]

She is my last choice for the nomination. (Unless LIEberman was stupid enough to run.)

But everyone that says they would not vote for Hillary Clinton in an election against whatever asshole the republicans put up is not being honest with themselves or the members of DU.

Now let's get to work! We won both houses and we should all be happy because in less than 4 weeks we can start taking back our country from the fascists.

Rant over.

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. It's gotten so the election season is non-stop.

After a while it's just so tiresome...............

[applegrove]

2. I think there is a vacuume. And when the cadidates declare and start

actually debating each other and the issues..it will be less vague and more about what really matters: policy.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. I was a Dean supporter in 2004

But I got 150% behind Kerry and worked hard to try and get him elected. As I said in a post earlier today, once the primaries are over the only one I vow not to vote for is the Republican ticket!

Partisan? Absolutely!

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. Same here.

[roamer65]

4. I agree. I won't support her in the primaries, but...

if she is my party's nominee, I will back her 150% all the way to the general election. I'll do the same for her that I did for Kerry. Campaign my a@@ off.

[zulchzulu]

5. No in the primaries, a hard-fighting yes in the General

I might not have a bumpersticker on my car, but I certainly would do what I could to get out the vote to counter the right wing onslaught that would be out there full force if she is the nominee...which I strongly feel she won't be...but whatever...

[jazzjunkysue]

14. We can't allow her to be the dem candidate. She'll lose.

It's one thing to bring home the bacon to upstate NY. I'm there, and I know she's won over the local rednecks. But that's local. That's personal. She's a good leader and manager.

But she can't win in the south or midwest. Hell, I don't even know if she'll get more dem votes than McCain.

The secret to the election is the middle. Who will cross party lines?

Lots of dems will vote for McCain. But how many repubs will cross for Hilary? No many.

So, I like Edwards. I think he could beat McCain and hold all the dem vote.

It's a numbers game. Period.

Obama and Hilary don't have the south or midwest. Period.

[Golden Raisin]

20. Glad she did something for upstate.

She hasn't done shit for downstate. I'm also a bit irked that when I sent her an email (and I am one of her constituents) I got zero reply. Not even a "form", autoreply email saying the usual, "Sorry Senator Clinton can't possibly answer every single email, etc." Hell, I made donations to Democratic candidates all across the country in the last election and I have received handwritten thank-you's or acknowledgments from candidates elected in other states far away from NY. I voted for her in the recent midterm only because I had made a conscious, deliberate decision that it was imperative to vote straight Democratic to rebuke/toss out the Republicans.

[Patiod]

23. I've already heard from some "moderate" Dems that they

would vote McCain vs. Clinton.

I agree with the OP - feel strongly against a run by Sen. Clinton, but not sure the bashing is productive.

[Infinite Hope]

6. Lieberman might run as an independent. n/t

[JuniperLea]

7. "We" are certainly giving the RW Nutjobs plenty of hate fodder

I'm sick of it too.

[TheWraith]

8. A-fucking-men.

She's not my favorite person either, but the amount of paranoia and hate on display here is just sad sometimes.

[WildEyedLiberal]

9. I agree

She's my absolute least favorite choice, but the bashing is getting tiresome. Hearing the 95% anti-Hillary majority scream about how they are being bludgeoned by the 5% pro-Hillary minority is akin to listening to fundies wail about the persecution of Christians.

[PassingFair]

17. The 5% Pro will claim a 70% PRO

and she will be CRAMMED down our gullets in
a FRONT LOADED primary season.

Luckily, the Chairman has added two early
primary states that I HOPE will be straight
voting states and NOT CAUCUS states.

Time will tell.

Money talks in those front loaded primaries.
War Chests and Corporate dough and party apparatus.

[peacetalksforall]

10. If Republicans are behind a Dem candidate, I'm not interested.

They know plenty about themselves and how to play tricks on the rest of them.

I will hold out, root for, promote, and work for whichever Dem that voted against Iraq War II because everyone who voted with Bush and the Republicans knew full well where the agenda was headed - Iraq. Even more importantly, they had to know that our kids would be misused and abused. The writings were on all the walls and many people could see through it.

But not to vote for a Dem is the worst of scenarios (unless an Independent pulls off a sweep).

Our predicament lies with the DLC. We are either their subjects or we are going to have to figure out that we must dictate to the DLC. The key is with the DLC, unfortunately. Kerry was DLC picked. Gore was DLC picked (with plenty of justification), but, the DLC then ran his campaign and aided the Republican Party and their media by making him look bad and NEVER, EVER, EVER straightening out the lies that were spread about him and playing a see-saw game about his image. imo, only.

[corkhead]

12. Zell Miller would be my last choice, but LIEberman and Hillary are in the pack

I said in an earlier post that I will not support Hillary unless she is running against a republican in a general election. But if they put up a moderate sensible republic against her, well... never mind there is no such thing.

I don't hate HRC, I just don't think she is electable and I don't want to see what the Reich Wing will do to her in a campaign.

I also think she is a triangulator and a corporatist. We can do better.

[cascadiance]

13. The best way to have many of us stop bashing her is to stop PUSHING her on us!

I have not started ANY threads against Hillary. I just keep seeing her and Obama for president everyplace I go. And I don't want them annointed now! So, yes, given that they are being pushed into the limelight without much rational evaluation of them and other possible candidates, yes, I will "bash" her, if you want to call my concerns and resulting criticism "bashing". It appears that the DLC is trying to push their laundry list of candidates (Clinton, Biden, Vilsack, Obama, etc.) now to push everyone else out of the field and hope that one of them "sticks" so that they can push that person moreso and project anyone else that's not in their camp as a "newcomer" that is already "too late in the game", or something like that.

I'm still waiting for someone running for president who publicly states that they are going to help push for public campaign financing, and actually show some steady efforts to do so. Then I wouldn't be as concerned about corporate influence than I am now.

[JNelson6563]

15. Bashing or legitimate criticism?

I for one don't count them as one in the same. If you are trying to issue a gag order for rational criticism then you are on the wrong board, in the wrong party.

If you're just taking issue with mindless bashing, I should hope that would extend to all potential candidates.

Julie

[wryter2000]

16. I sure agree with your last statement

Santa gave us the best present ever. There's a lot of time between now and 2008. Let's go after the bad guys and worry about 2008 after Bush/Cheney are thoroughly disgraced and (fingers crossed) removed from office.

[election_2004]

18. Oh, I'm being completely honest....

She has given me absolutely no reason to vote for her in a General Election.

But calidependence's Reply #13 on this thread pretty much says it all for me.

[blondeatlast]

19. Hear, hear--and that goes for every potential candidate. I'll make up my OWN mind,

thank you very much.

[LWolf]

21. That's not bashing. It's a simple statement of fact.

There is a cause and effect relationship. The nomination of someone I cannot in good conscience support will cause the party to lose my vote.

That has nothing to do with bashing. I am already back at work. Unfortunately, for an issue that, while it negatively affects most families in the nation, is not on the Democratic Party's list of things to "fix." Hillary, and other potential nominees, are not my target for '07. NCLB, and it's supporters, especially Miller and Kennedy, are. If the Democrats continue to support the legislation that is making my professional life a nightmare, and diminishing my students' opportunities, the party may have lost me before the primaries begin.

The '06 victories mean nothing to me if I don't see the "victors" doing something decisive about the issues that directly hurt me, my profession, and those my profession serves.

[xultar]

22. BRAVO!!!!! AGREED!!!