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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:18 PM
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W. should appoint his father and Bill Clinton to lead a diplomatic initiative in the Middle East.
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 10:20 PM by Clarkie1
It would be a great thing to do for the country and the world, and do much to regain our international credibility. They are two experienced and respected world leaders, and it would also be a symbolic bi-partisan approach the world and nation would appreciate. They seem to have a very good working relationship. Send them to work together on the tsunami that is Iraq, before it engulfs the entire region, and perhaps us all.

Would W. ever do such a thing? Sadly, I doubt it. I wish it were otherwise.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:21 PM
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1. How about putting Former President Carter in there as well
Of course he won't do that, his base would go apeshit.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:23 PM
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2. Good idea, and maybe even Clark.
Now of course we are approaching the realm of the "only in an alternate universe" (unfortunately).
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:24 PM
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3. And put Carter in charge of both
Carter would be my first choice for the Middle East, though maybe he'd be better used just focusin on the Israel/Palestine bullshit.

I think you are on to a good thing, though - Clinton and Bush, Sr. as a team would be a pretty good thing, and a pretty good sign to other countries that after six years of fake-cowboy posturing and swaggering about the US is actually serious again.

I think you are also right that Shrubbie would never do anything that intelligent, both because he's stupid as all fuckoff, and secondly, because he's too goddamn immature to do the right thing, and asking those two guys would be like admitting he has a super small dick.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:33 PM
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4. Can we send some other that the Bush/Clinton duo?
We have other fine people who can do the job as well or even better than these two former presidents.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:38 PM
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7. None could do the job better. It's a matter of international recognition and gravitas.
The world saw how they worked together in Indonesia, and the fact that they are two former Presidents from different political ideologies coming together to speak with one American voice would send a powerful message to all the players in the Middle East.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:33 PM
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5. Somebody recommended Clinton, Carter, Baker, Scowcroft
3 years ago, almost to the day. But he was ridiculed by the right and ripped to shreds by the left. That's what being a true visionary gets you in this country.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:37 PM
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6. That would make his little tiny brain explode
The two people who have outdone his every deed sent to rescue the world from his disaster.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:44 PM
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8. Hmmm... nope.
Our diplomatic mission is initiated by our withdrawal of our occupation army from Iraq. The UN can deal with any international issues, and the regional powers: Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, that are adjacent to Iraq can take the lead in handling the chaos we have caused. Our role in the region is over. We fucked up. We are done.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:45 PM
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9. Actually, the U.N. can't deal with it. They just don't have the capability. nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:53 PM
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13. They can deal with the international issues.
That is what they are there for. But what exactly do you think 'it' is that they cannot deal with?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:47 PM
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10. Impeach the sorry bastards first!
Ya wanna see something happen? Impeach Cheney and his butt buddy bush. All the rest is idle chatter.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:51 PM
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11. The American people will certainly hold us accountable if we follow such a course.
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 10:55 PM by Clarkie1
We were elected to change the course, not to seek partisan revenge. Impeaching the President would not serve the larger and more important goal of seeking a bi-partisan approach to maximize our chances of mitigating the Iraq failure into some small degree of success.

W. will be President for two more years, and the American people expect us to behave as pragmatic problem-solving adults, not bickering children.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:58 PM
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16. Mealy mouthed BS
They are criminals and anybody coddling the criminals with such bs is nearly as guilty as they are.

Either you are with 'em or you are against them. Me? I'm against them.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:59 PM
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17. Well just suppose that high crimes and misdemeanors
were committed. Suppose for example that ample evidence is uncovered of a conspiracy to deceive congress and the american people about WMD in Iraq in order to obtain support for a criminal war of aggression against Iraq. Would it be partisan revenge to set the wheels of justice in motion in order to bring those responsible for this crime to justice? Why?
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:51 PM
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12. If Junior did this
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 11:29 PM by LiviaOlivia
it would be an admission that he screwed up. Not going to happen. Junior needs to be forced, have his face rubbed in it...it's the only way to teach that dog to change his truly fucked up way of thinking. But it won't happen. The man is sick.

Nice thought but hell will probably freeze over first.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:55 PM
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14. I don't trust Poppy with a damn thing.
He's a fuckhead, pure and simple. He raised that brood of creeps.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 10:57 PM
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15. Not a very bright idea at all.
Have the man who authorized the first Iraq war, accompanied by the man who authorized the death of 500,000 Iraqi innocents through sanctions and thrice weekly bombings, go to the Middle East in order to reach some sort of settlement of the mess that Bushboy created. Probably won't inspire sincerity, warmth or trust. Probably the only person who has the moral stature to accomplish such a mission would be Carter, but somehow I doubt that is going to happen.

No, I think that the only sort of agency that could lend an imprinture of trust, honesty and fair dealing in this issue would have to come through the UN. Either that, or a coalition of strictly the regional countries. Sending Bush and Clinton over there would just be another slap in the face.
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