Wouldn't you think the GOP would ditch Bush now?

[savemefromdumbya]

It's over for him and Cheney. Voters can now see that it's Bush and Cheney versus the rest on Iraq.

The ship wrecked GOP will try to find a way - will they do some more 'cleaning and renovating now or will they wait til 2008?

[Red Zelda]

1. Never happen

The party is an intellectually bankrupt tribe of whores who are basically slaves to Rove and Cheney and the Bush Empire. They have no ideas until their masters tell them to have them.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. give them time.

Let America chew on the ISG report. Let boy george continue with his stay the course crap, and let hundreds more US soldiers die needlessly. AND watch moms and dads, former GOP supporters start to move on DC and demand a change.

Once people start calling their GOP congresscritters and senators and start bitching about Bush, watch them start to develop nervous tics until one brave soul says, enough Let's save ourselves and throw him out.
The GOP has experience with this. They went through that with Nixon.

I'd give it 4 months. Unless boy george manages to invite another Saudi attack on US soil. I would put nothing past these criminals.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Mark My Words...

They'll be leading the impeachment charge in a short while. Just as with Nixon.

[savemefromdumbya]

6. I've often wondered whether the impeachment would comefrom GOP side of congress?

[DemoTex]

12. I agree, Manny.

And it must be sooner, rather than later, for the GOP to have any chance in 2008. Boy-Bu$h's bizarre reaction to the ISG report will have the GOP begging for impeachment.

[calimary]

16. That's true. They're gonna have to cut and run soon, to rehabilitate

their whole party in time for 2008.

Besides, I suspect as this drags on and only gets worse (because frankly I am NOT expecting bush suddenly to have this miraculous epiphany and repent or beg forgiveness), they're going to start thinking: "um... we have to live with this for TWO MORE YEARS????"

[savemefromdumbya]

19. 2 more years!!!!

he's basically digging his own political grave

[savemefromdumbya]

4. to quote 'America is Saudi's blue eyed slaves'

[whistle]

5. The purple band-aids are now on the eyes and ears of the GOP

:crazy: :freak: :hurts: :boring: :hangover: :hide: :yoiks: :spray: :rant: :sarcasm:

[asjr]

7. What bugs me is if the Baker-Hamilton committee

thinks we are doomed why didn't they put another recommendation in their list--remove President Bush. How on earth will anything constructive get done if we do not cut off the head of the snake? I know it would be a formidable task to persuade him to resign "for the good of the country" but if we have to depend on Mr. Know-it-All to get us out of the mess he has created we are really up the creek. Maybe I am just stupid, but I think the welfare of this country should come before the wishes of an arrogant dictator, and I am not talking about Saddam H.

[Golden Raisin]

8. Some of them may be afraid

of whatever dirt Cheney/Bush have on them from their warrantless wire-tapping. I'm sure the spying was not exclusively done on Democrats.

[pat_k]

11. No fear, not even of death, trumps their sworn duty . .

We expect members of the armed services to risk life and limb to support and defend. Members of Congress take the same oath. Why should we expect less of them? Why should they expect less of themselves?

Bush and Cheney are committing their war crimes and conducting their criminal surveillance operation in plain sight. Their attack on the Constitution is far advanced. Americans are torturers NOW. Members of Congress -- Republican and Democratic -- are sworn to defend. Impeachment is the weapon we gave them fulfill their oath when the attack comes from with within the halls of power.

The case for impeachment is clear, compelling, and complete-- it has been for years. Unnecessary delay is dereliction. Each day they face the choice anew: duty or complicity.

Their oath is an individual oath, their duty an individual duty. Regardless of how many or how few join them, there is no time like the present for any Member of Congress to break the bonds of complicity by introducing or co-sponsor Articles of Impeachment and making the case.

[pat_k]

9. If the leadership got serious about impeachment, Bush and Cheney could be out in a week.

See http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/12 (particularly the second half of the entry)

[savemefromdumbya]

10. this looks 'doable'

Yes!

Republicans are likely to be VERY motivated to pressure Bush and Cheney to take the resignation "exit strategy."

[MannyGoldstein]

18. I Don't Think Shrub Will Go Quietly Into That Good Night

He wants to "die with his boots on" - I think we should oblige, and impeach and convict ASAP.

[calimary]

13. You'd think. If nothing else, to shed the "loser stench."

Remember Barry Goldwater! He reached his breaking point, along with other Republican brethren, in 1974, snd went to Nixon to tell him, personally, that it was time to resign or be impeached because there was NO support left for him among his own.

So I think it's time we start pushing for a "Goldwater Moment."

I think I may write a column about it sooner than later. Meantime, here's the one I just did, for your consideration...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3006712&mesg_id=3006712

[Bucky]

14. Republicans never admit error.

they'd rather die (or rather send a lot of 20somethings to their deaths) than admit they'd made an error that got people killed.

[savemefromdumbya]

15. their 'error' was their quest

for world domination. They were under an illusion and if they hadn't been checked god knows what would have happened to this country.

[PATRICK]

17. And what GOP would that be?

Still dominated by Nixon era retreads and select plutocrats, their political leadership broadly is weak as a band of dependent parrots in a cage. The Reagan era conservatives have been completely had and shoved aside if not enlisted in the Bush dynasty. Those that do speak out generally have zero clout. The core group is utterly ruined by religious extremists from fringe Christianity who share too much hypocrisy for the sake of present power to pry their cold dead hands from the expired bird in hand.

The sad spectacle is seeing internal housecleaning within the Bush dynasty brokered by Clinton and other helpful Dems(outside the present Democratic leadership). This is a party in thrall and on the way out with their particular vested plutocrats. Conservatives who say good riddance and hope to fill the vacuum remind me of Conservatives in NY when once cut loose from the establishment proceeded to split the constituency in a meaningless victory over the GOP. There is nowhere to go but to search out another popular figurehead or alternate plutocratic dynasty.

And where is either of those going to come from? Schwarzenegger? The Murdochs? With no populist benefit to anyone to fall back on this will become a party of rich grumps and RW fringe humans who will regret having abandoned sneaking under the Democratic tent. The only lazy thing left will be to intrigue for some kind of despotic takeover- professionally done with a strongman this time. I would think they can't or won't go that far and dreams of past glories(99% erroneous fantasy) will hamstring their appreciation of reality once cut loose from MSM propping up.