Does Papa Bush really think his son George is an honest man?

[rhett o rick]

I believe he does. This may be a little puzzling when most of us believe he is a liar and cheat. And since I also believe Papa Bush isn’t stupid then how can he make such a mistake?

I believe the reason is that the Bush family belong to a class of people that honestly believe that their s*** doesn’t stink. These people, raised in a wealthy environment don’t have the same moral principles as those of us in the lower classes. They have never had to do an honest day’s work, never had to sweat or worry about whether they will make the rent payment or whether their children will go to college. Their children go to the best schools and get jobs guaranteed by friends of the family or friendly companies. This gives these people a distorted view of life. They can not at all relate to the trials and tribulations of the masses. George didn’t even blink when he turned down well over a hundred pleas for clemency while governor of Texas. He didn’t care if they got a fair trial or not because his class believes they were scum anyway. Momma Bush showed her contempt also when she visited the New Orleans dome and told the people made homeless by Katrina that they should look at it as an adventure like camping.

These wealthy elite can’t relate to those of the lower classes losing loved ones in war. It never happens to them. Their children are safe. They have no feelings for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s that have died or the millions fleeing Iraq. They are numb to these conditions.
The wealthy elite believe that lying to the lower classes is not wrong, not dishonest, so when George told us we needed to invade Iraq because of WMD, it wasn’t a lie in their warped principles because it was the best thing for them and therefore the best for all of us. They will look you directly in the eye and tell you they believe in the Constitution while passing laws counter to the Constitution. They can rationalize that this is honest because the Constitution applies only to them not the lower classes. They know what is best for us. The rule of law only applies to us not them, they are the ruling class.

The sad thing is that most of Congress is made up of individuals from this elitist class and they have a hard time relating to the lower classes. Also, many in the media come from this class. What a good job for a child of a wealthy family.

I apologize for rambling but until we in the middle class and lower can take back our government away from the wealthy elitist they will continue to kill our loved ones, ruin the environment and steal our money.

[Missy M]

1. Poppy believes W is an honest man because Poppy believes...

he's an honest man, but he is as evil and corrupt as his son.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. You're asking esoteric philosophical ethical questions when

in fact George H.W. Bush was amazed at a scanner at a supermarket check-out during his presidency. If he's overwhelmed by minutia like this, I would imagine his ability to consider higher concepts to be suspect.

[rhett o rick]

3. He was raised in a bubble. nm

[thereismore]

4. Poppy is in denial about that. nt

[rhett o rick]

5. This post wasn't about Poppy, or George being evil, it is about a class

of people that believe they can send OUR loved ones to war to die and that is honest. They believe that the Constitution doesn't apply to us and the rule of law doesn't apply to them. George and Poppy didn't pass the torture law by themselves. There is a whole class of people that are unfeeling towards our trials and tribulations. It is the class structure we need to attack not just Bush or even not just the republicans. Many democrats feel the same way. It isn't thier loved ones dying. They discuss what they should do about the war sipping their martinis.

[AndyA]

6. The Bush Family has a double standard.

What they do is OK. It doesn't matter if it breaks a law, is unethical, immoral, or whatever. It's OK.

The rest of us do not have the privilege of living under those same standards, however. We are expected to always do the right thing, overlooking the fact that the Bush Family is nothing but a bunch of criminals.

Grandpa Bush sold weapons and ammunition to the Germans after such practice was forbidden by U.S. law prior to the World War.

Then there's Neil Bush and his Silverado Savings. What a scam that was! How many people lost everything because of this man? He literally sneaked out of Colorado under cover of darkness, like a cockroach.

And don't forget little George, and his insider trading of Harken Energy stock. He just happened to sell weeks before bad earnings reports came out. Of course, he didn't know that he was doing anything wrong...

And let's not forget Papa Bush, and his involvement in that nasty Iran Contra scandal. Somehow he managed to slither out from under any responsibility for that, like he had no knowledge that anything was going on. Right.

When you have a bunch of criminals in office, why would you expect honesty, transparency, or ethical behavior from them when that is something they've never done?

[rhett o rick]

7. We aren't where we are because of the Bush family. That is way to easy

just to blame them. The Congress of the United States has over and over again supported them. Congress voted to allow torture, suspend habeas corpus, spy on Americans, go to war, etc.

My point here is that the problem we face is much bigger than the Bush family. There is a whole class of people that do not believe in the principles the founding fathers set down for this Country.

I have spoken to and corresponded with individuals in the wealthy elitist class, they honestly think they can decide what the Constitution means for us in the lower classes. They believe they are the ruling class. Congress is riddled with them.

[AndyA]

8. I agree with you.

Congress has been the enabler. But the Bush Family has been the force behind the abuse. And there are Democrats who are just as much to blame.

How do we fix it?

First of all, we take private money out of the picture. Campaigns should be financed with public funding, so everyone has the same opportunity to get their message out.

Then we do away with the lobbying industry. It does not help the American people, it furthers big business interests and special interests, and to hell with the people.

We need to set term limits. No more career politicians. People get so old they are out of touch with what's going on in the world. We need people with open minds, no baggage, and no obligations to someone else. Only then can they make decisions based on what's right for the country, instead of their biggest donor.

This is just a start, of course, but things must change. Congress must be held accountable, and what we've had for the past six years has been just awful. I know it goes back much further than this, but we have to start somewhere, and now is as good a time as any.

[rhett o rick]

13. Saving the freedom of the internet has to be a high priority. That's

what enabled the democrats to keep well informed and muster the votes. Also, a free and open media is important as well and the things you mentioned.

[YDogg]

9. Sure, by bush family "standards"

[lpbk2713]

10. #41 is a career politician of the rethuglican persuasion

He wouldn't know honesty if it smacked him in the face.

[leftofthedial]

11. not anymore

now just thinking about george the lesser makes him cry

[AtomicKitten]

12. No, but I think he knows he screwed up.

Maybe that's why he was blubbering the other day. Jeb was the anointed one in the family's opinion and Junior has made a mess of things, truly an embarrassment by any measure.

[Vidar]

14. He knows better. Evil he may be, but Poppy isn't stuupid.

[area51]

15. Bush Sr.

Surely he must know that Jr. is mentally ill, either a psychopath or a sociopath.

[rhett o rick]

16. My point is that there is a class of people that have different principles

than the middle class. That's why when they lie to us it is acceptable to them. Lying to "us" doesn't violate their principles. It isn't just that GWB is evil or mentally ill. It is important for us to realize what we are dealing with. We can't expect "them" to follow our rules. The rule of law doesn't apply to them.

These people are raised in wealth and believe they are the "ruling" class. To them spying on us, or torturing us, or denying us habeas corpus, is ok with their principles.

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. Does the guy who declared a "New World Order" actually care about honesty at all?