Anyone here NOT wanting to be ABB?

[dorktv]

I am sorry but I can not withdraw my support even to get Bush out of office if someone other then Gov. Dean wins our nomination. I know I am being a lousy Democrat but dang it! Our votes should be more then just "Anyone but this guy or that guy"

[codegreen]

1. i, for one, outright refuse to vote for Cheney

should our beloved leader stumble upon an especially dry and salty pretzel.

perish the thought.

[mitchum]

2. I agree with part of your post

Guess which part...

[dorktv]

3. The votes should count for something more?

[mitchum]

11. Not that sentence

[dorktv]

16. okay. :)

[Dookus]

buh bye...

this is the problem with having a religious attachment to a politician.

Don't worry, we'll elect a Dem without you.

[dorktv]

6. Yeah...I have the Dean Messiah complex.

You have NO idea how many people I got from my talking about him that way.

[Dookus]

8. No, I don't....

nor do I care. It's irrelevant. None of his supporters got enough people to vote for Dean to make him the nominee.

If you want to continue supporting somebody who's no longer in the race, go ahead. I'm sure as hell not gonna beg you to be reasonable. I believe very strongly that the number of Dean supporters who agree with you is minuscule compared to the number of OTHER voters another candidate will bring in.

[dorktv]

13. Fine, at least MY canidate did not have to be shamed into

registering as a democrat AFTER he annouces for our nomination.

[Dookus]

15. very mature, reasoned response.....

and right on-topic, I might add.

BTW, you are factually incorrect.

[dorktv]

19. How so? He did not officially register as a democrat until

about two weeks after he annouced his canidacy. And maybe it was immature but I think that you were rather rude and deserved it.

[Dookus]

26. rude?

because I don't care how you waste your vote? These threads are just pleas for people to beg the original poster to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE vote for my guy. I'm not gonna do it, sorry. I really don't care.

Clark was a registered Democrat in the 2002 elections - you can see so on his website.

And he wasn't "shamed" into it. He's a proud liberal - a helluva lot more liberal than Dean.

[dorktv]

33. This is what I considered rude:

*snip*
If you want to continue supporting somebody who's no longer in the race, go ahead. I'm sure as hell not gonna beg you to be reasonable. I believe very strongly that the number of Dean supporters who agree with you is minuscule compared to the number of OTHER voters another candidate will bring in.
*snip*
Perhaps you do not realize how much Dean has done to excite people and at least GET them to the polls. I know from working on the front lines of the Dean campaign and I also know that Clark had not done as much as Dean did although he did inspire a bunch of people. I remember a state conference in my state with a DraftClark table but they did not really do that much business so he got people envolved but not to the extent that Dean did.
Second telling someone that they are unreasonable to support someone who is not the nomination is rude. How is it unreasonable to refuse to support the nomination when that person opposes my views? I will vote my views and if that means I am not going party, so be it.

As for your current post, I LIKE the fact that Dean is not a super liberal. He is pragmatic and will be able to work those he can not stand. Liberal policies are all well and good but if you can not get them passed what good are they?

[Dookus]

37. well

it looks like a real liberal, John Kerry will likely be the nominee, and since he's already beating Bush in the polls, the odds look pretty good that we'll have a real liberal in the White House. Since I'm a liberal, that's a good thing.

I know Dean got a lot of people involved. I believe firmly that the overwhelming majority of them will vote for the Dem nominee in November.

[dorktv]

38. Well I know some are for the ABB but most of them are very

unhappy at it.

[Dookus]

41. of course they're unhappy

it was a mathematical certainty going INTO the race that the supporters of 8 candidates would be disappointed with the results.

But I only see Dean supporters making constant threats to go third party or not vote or write in Dean. It's a type of religious attachment to a politician that I don't understand. I just don't see how Dean is different from other politicians.

[dorktv]

42. First guy to give people hope in a VERY VERY long time.

[Dookus]

43. that's your opinion...

personally, I saw nothing hopeful about his campaign at all - he was just another centrist politician running for office.

And all the other candidates give hope to THEIR people.

I know it's hard to believe, but people really DO feel just as strongly about their candidates as you feel about yours.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

29. So .................

How many Clark supporters are bailing as we speak. Since he's in 4th I guess he's out too huh.

[Dookus]

32. yeah, he probably is...

that has nothing to do with whether or not I'll vote for the candidate in November.

[Guaranteed]

46. That's the problem with having principles, you mean.

I know, to you it's just a gang war. You know your guy got rolled for two straight years, right? You think he's gonna win? LOL.

Good luck.

[quaker bill]

4. I would prefer to vote positively for someone I believe in

as opposed to just voting against Bush*.

[dorktv]

7. Exactly.

[Old and In the Way]

12. Won't that be the reality for 5 of 6 camps in the Primaries?

I think we'd all prefer to see our candidate win, but I'd rather see Bush beaten more.

[Dookus]

18. and I'd like to eat hot fudge sundaes for breakfast

and never gain weight, but I don't live my life as if that's true.

If I demanded a politician agree with me 100% before I voted for him, the only way I'd get to vote is to run for office myself.

[MoonRiver]

5. You're not a lousy 'democrat'.

Maybe masochistic describes the phenomenon.

[dweller]

9. .

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[OhioStateProgressive]

10. I agree with your view

I'm not a Dean supporter, but votes are more important than getting one man out of office.

I think you got some ufair replies about it too

[dorktv]

14. Thanks.

[salinen]

23. Here's my long awaited take

If Kerry is our next pres (not my fav), there will be a slightly better atmosphere for change in our party. Dean and Kucinich cannot be ignored now. We will keep their fire glowing along with the memory of the late great Paul Wellstone. I can't imagine the same if Cheney is selected for 4 more years.

[shredder]

17. ABB is wonderful and all but if you haven't noticed...

We're still in the democratic nomination process. Of course we all want Bush out of office but that doesn't mean I'm gonna run out and jump on the Kerry wagon. My states primary isn't even until May and I'm still going to vote for the democrat that best represents my views on the country and has the record to prove that his views represent mine. IMHO Kerry is the most like Bush and the most like a republican, IMHO that's why everyone thinks he is the best to beat bush, because he plays bushes game. The rest are willing to speak truth and are ready to actually rock the boat and really change the way we run our country. I'm for change not the same old election time song and dance from another Washington insider. IMHO!! BUSH? KERRY?WHAT"S THE DIFFERANCE? Both spoiled rotten, both out of touch with America, both so rich they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit em in the head! They seem to agree on whole lot. At least bush is honest about being a republican. Thank you DU for allowing me the time to voice my honest opinion.

[Walt Starr]

24. I will NEVER jump on the Kerry bandwagon

I may hold my nose and cast a vote against Bush by checking the box next to Kerry's name, but that is a far cry from jumping on his bandwagon.

I sincerely believe there is no way Kerry will defeat Bush. I do not believe in Kerry. I will not work for Kerry. I will not donate to Kerry.

If Kerry is polling double digits behind Bush right before the election (which I believe he probably will), I won't even cast a vote for him. I'll go third party. Why throw my vote away when it could do some good helping out a third party?

[lastknowngood]

28. Remember Kerry's cheerleader McAwful is pushing this idea

of ABB I will vote against the shrub unless these Kerry people continue with infantile assaults on anyone who disagrees with them.
There are still a few things which are personal and we cannot be badgered into. You will make no converts via this line of so called logic.

[dorktv]

34. Not asking for converts, I think we should not go ABB because

that is not always voting ourselves. I used my own case as an example.

[Eloriel]

20. I'm with you, dorktv

In fact, I deeply, fervently and profoundly resent the hell out of ANYone suggesting to me that my loyalty -- not to mention my vote -- is "owed" to the DLC/DNC, no matter what travesty they trot out for public consumption.

[dorktv]

21. I am glad I am not alone.

:hug:

[GodHelpUsAll2]

35. You are not alone

[dorktv]

36. True...I did make a lot of friends with the Dean campaign.

[RetroLounge]

45. You are not even close to alone

eom

[Guaranteed]

47. Nowhere near alone...lots of us around.

But the Dems'll win without us! :eyes:

[democracy eh]

22. simple truth

voting 'for' something or someone you believe nourishes our democratic souls.

voting 'against' someone of something satisfies the hunger, but still leaves a void.

In the case of Junior, that line is blurred.

[lancdem]

25. If you don't think it's priority No. 1 to get Bush out of office

then we don't see to eye on that. Sorry!

[Walt Starr]

27. What if the polls on November 1 are like this?

Kerry - 42%
Bush - 53%
As yet unnamed Green - 4%

What do you do then? The Green candidate is in striking distance of winning matching funds for 2008. Kerry has all but lost this thing. What do you do then?

To me, voting for Kerry in that situation is throwing away your vote on a guaranteed loser. Voting Green at least brings about the potential of a viable third party candidate who would be included in the 2008 debates.

[w4rma]

49. I would vote for Kerry.

I say the heck with the polls and hope that my vote helps to strengthen Democratic spines in the upcoming fights. I also do not want to see the Green Party get matching funds. I want to see the Democratic Party support the policies I support, which, right now, I am satisfied with, no matter who the nominee is.

(Although, Dean would be an improvement over the current frontrunner, IMHO.)

[shredder]

30. priority #1 is

Maintaining some sense of self by standing up for what I believe in and fighting for it not jumping on a bandwagon. By making the decision to just place whatever democrat can play the washington game we will succesfully have lost the war. To win wars you must be willing to lose battles. IMHO Kerry is spineless. What exactly do we get just by putting any old democrat in office if he doesn't represent what you feel is right for the country and DOES NOT HAVE the record to prove it?

[teach1st]

31. Do what you feel is best for you...

As for me, I'm not a fan of Kerry. But I believe that the Bush administration is one of the biggest threats to our country and to the world that we've seen in a while. Certainly this administration is one of the biggest threats to to the world about which we can do something.

I've been voting since the 70s. I've often complained about voting for the lesser of two evils. But that's what I'll do this November, because the evil I'll be voting against is really evil.

I won't necessarily be voting for a Democrat when I vote against Bush. I'm confident, though, that whomever I vote for on the Democratic side, I will be voting for our armed forces, for our economy, for our constitution, for our environment, and for working people.

Maybe I'll be able to vote from principal in 2008. For this election, though, I'm afraid my conscience will bother me too much if I stay home out of principal and by doing so help Bush win.

[mike_c]

39. I agree with you....

There are three (well, maybe two) of the current dem candidates that I simply cannot bring myself to vote for-- unfortunately, the current front runner is one of them. I'll write in Kucinich, or see what the Green party has to offer. And no bones about being a "bad democrat--" if the Democratic party doesn't represent my interests, they don't get my vote. My days of voting the straight party ticket are over.

[Paulie]

40. I hear ya

It would be nice to vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST someone once and a while.

And don't try undervoting, doesn't work. I did it with the Gov here in Illinois (I was for former Chicago Public Schools chief Paul Valas, who was fired by Daley). I didn't vote for Gov in the general, put my punch card in the verifier machine, and it took it and said properly voted ballot. :mad:

[Terwilliger]

44. ABB is to get the stragglers in line

Dean supporters hold on...he'll move soon

[w4rma]

48. Were you going to ask others to support Dean if he won the primary? Yes.

Are you not prepared to do the same?