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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:08 PM
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Something that worries me
In the past, Bush has beaten both Ann Richards and Gore largely because one of Bush's few abilities is sticking to a script well. Does this worry others? Because Ann Richards is very witty and tough, and still got frustrated. I think Kerry has had a lot of chance to study what Bush has done, so I'm optimistic.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:14 PM
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1. If I remember correctly, and I probably don't........
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 10:16 PM by BigDaddyLove
Ann Richards was attacked by Bush's Campaign by spreading rumors all over Texas that she was a lesbian, which didn't help her very much; and Gore beat Bush.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:17 PM
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2. That's true about Gore
Bush beat Gore, but Bush didn't really win.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:32 PM
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4. Still..
I'm wondering if what I said factored into the closeness of the election. I know the media didn't help Gore one bit, so maybe I'm overreacting.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:35 PM
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5. Ann Richards suffered from Max Cleland Syndrome
Bush's people attacked her so insanely that she felt it beneath her to respond and fight back. Like Max, Ann was overwhelmed by shit. Like Max, Ann didn't stand and fight it.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:40 PM
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7. And Gore took slander on himself too lightly
He'd almost egg the media and Bush on. Hopefully, our nominee can get it right and counteract "the script."
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:54 PM
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9. Nearly right
Richards did fight back. But the real reason she lost was that 1994 had a huge Republican backlash vote against Clinton. Bush got a sympathy vote for his daddy once everyone got a chance to see that he was a little more like Reagan than Poppy. It was a culture thing, pure and simple. It wasn't much of an ugly fight by Texas standards. And remember that we only elected Richards in the first place because her 1990 opponent was an unscripted moron who liked to tell rape jokes. She won in a squeaker.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:31 PM
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3. Bush wasn't the incumbant
when he ran against Ann or Gore. Hopefully his cowboy act has worn off and his record shows that he's all talk when it comes to the compassionate side of the conservatism. Heck with his spending habits he isn't even the comsevative part either. The guy is a pathological liar. That's our part, to get that through.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:36 PM
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6. Good point
Bush had to defend his Texas record, but people don't care about state records as much. The lack of any "compassionate conservatism" should be a theme of our nominee's.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:43 PM
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8. I honestly believe its anyone's guess
as to what will end up happening. Bush beat Ann Richards - it reflects the mean streak in Texas politics, but Gore won the election. He just was not appointed by the Supreme Court like the chimp was.

If only I had a crystal ball.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:49 PM
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10. most elections -- particularly presidential elections -- are a . . .
referendum on the incumbent . . . if people are satisfied with how things are going, they'll vote to re-elect . . . if they're not, they'll vote to oust, assuming the alternative is someone they can envision as their president . . . Bush's record is such that everyone who voted for Gore will likely want him out, as will a substantial number of those who voted for him and now understand their mistake . . . I'm feeling good about November, just based on the Bush fatigue factor . . .
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