Hillary/Obama 08!

[JeremyWestenn]

Who's with me people?

It's my prediction that that is what our ticket shall be.

[dysfunctional press]

1. well, if the media gets to pick the candidate...we might be stuck with it.

I will NEVER vote for Hillary for president.

is that clear enough?

[JeremyWestenn]

4. Then you will be voting for the Republicans.

Plain and simple. If you don't vote for the Democrat, and seeing as how we have never in the history of our nation really had a viable winnable third party candidate since Gods know how long ago, you will be casting a vote against the Democrats which means you will essentially be giving an extra vote for the Republicans.

If you do that... Why are you posting on DU?

[uberllama42]

7. Voting for a third party is not the same as voting Republican

I think in too many cases, the sad truth is that voting Democratic is the same as voting Republican. There are too many Zell Millers and Joe Liebermans in the Democratic Party.

People always tell me that voting third-party is a waste of my vote. My perspective is that nearly everything in our American system is in need of reform. I think anything I do which does not express my discontent is a waste of time. Therefore voting for one of the two major party candidates is a wasted vote because it does not do anything to reform our primitive and short-sighted system. This is not true in all cases, but I see too many races where it is.

[JeremyWestenn]

8. If it helps the Republicans win then it is to the core helping the Republicans.

When you'd rather have the Democrats in Congress as oppose to them. And if you would rather all Republicans and Democrats, or the majority, were out and replaced with third party candidates then why on earth are you on Democratic Underground?

I'm confounded.

[Clark2008]

28. Not necessarily.

In my state, for example, the ticket you've prescribed would lose by 20 percent of the vote. Period. End of discussion.

Therefore, my vote for a third-party candidate wouldn't effect the outcome in my state what-so-ever.

In conclusion, my vote wouldn't help or hurt them; therefore, it doesn't "help" the Republicans, either. It just allows me to vote my conscious. It would be different if there was only a 1 percent margin or so, but that ticket wouldn't even break the 15 percent differential here, so I needn't worry.

[dysfunctional press]

10. not if i vote third party.

i can't vote for a candidate i don't support.
and hillary's vote for the iwr(for starters) means that she gets NO vote from me, EVER.
you can use whatever twisted logic you need to spin that whatever way you want it.

and then squat on it, why don'cha...?

[JeremyWestenn]

11. You can still try to pretend your vote will count.

Because it won't. All it will do is count for the opposition against Hillary(If she indeed gets the nomination) and subsequently it will be a vote for a Republican.

You can use whatever twisted logic you need to spin that, whatever way you want.

Then squat on it, why don'cha?

[dysfunctional press]

14. whatever twisted logic you need to use to stroke yourself is fine by me-

why don't we wait and see if hillary slithers her way into a nomination in the first place- i'm betting it won't happen. and definitely hoping it won't happen, because we're going to need someone A LOT stronger than her to clean up the mess the current mis-administration is going to leave behind, PLUS prepare us for the future that global warming has in store.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Of course, Kerry and Edwards also voted for the IWR. Did you go Green in 2004?

:shrug:

[dysfunctional press]

17. well it would seem so, wouldn't it...?

i also knew that being from illinois, my non-vote for that ticket really wouldn't matter.

[uberllama42]

31. I'm only 18, so I didn't get to vote in '04

But yes, I would have voted for Ralph Nader (who wasn't on the Green ticket but ran independent). Someone here on DU actually convinced me a few days ago that Kerry was strongly against the war and that his vote for the IWR was highly qualified and critical of the path the Bush Administration was taking at the time. I didn't know that in '04, and so that would have been one of the reasons I would have voted against him in 2004.

[DainBramaged]

13. I guess unified isn't a Liberal word. How sad you are biased.

Why do you hate America?

Would you rather have McCain or Rudy the phony as pResident?

[dysfunctional press]

16. "hillary" is DEFINITELY NOT a liberal word.

why don't we wait to see who the candidate is before casting people out for not supporting hillary's divine right to the nomination.

[DainBramaged]

19. Whatever, I see the Thuglicans. influence is already starting

Why do you hate America?

[papau]

29. Indeed - why not wait to see who'd one really wants in the general - a Dem or

real GOP.

"hillary's divine right to the nomination" may not play out, or if it plays out, it may annoy - but she is a true good left of center - not center - Dem -

and those who say otherwise are blowing smoke and prefer to see good political moves like taking the steam out of a Constitutional flag vote via a Federal law bill as raging support for things from the right.

I know her head was in the right place on Health in 93 before Bill ordered a task force that could not look at single payer national health - if it is still in that right place, why are the folks so quick to dump her?

She is the only Dem to beat McCain in a real National Poll - albeit the poll had her middle name included on the Hillary line.

[dysfunctional press]

35. if you think that hillary and the other dlc-oids are left of center-

then you've got a pretty twisted notion of just where the "center" is.

[papau]

38. I guess we disagree - I base my opinion on the social and economic positions

Hillary has taken over the last 25 years.

On what issue is the center to her left? She was the only person in the room pushing single payer national health in 93 (it was my professional business to know this fact at the time).

Perhaps because she is not "out now" on Iraq she is right of center? On this one she is right of myself - but I don't think she is right of center with phased withdrawel.

In any case, we will need to agree to disagree. :-)

[uberllama42]

33. I refuse to vote for someone I don't support

I don't care if it means Satan will become president, or worse, George W. Bush. As far as I know, the electors in my state aren't bound by the popular vote anyway, so a presidential vote doesn't count anyway. It has absolutely no legal bearing on the outcome of the election, it just becomes a suggestion on whose name the electors should put down. But since so much of what I do is in protest of our egregiously misguided system, I don't see a reason to cave and vote for the lesser of two evils. I'd rather vote for a definite loser who doesn't offend my conscience.

BTW, it "conscience," not "conscious." Conscious is an adjective (or adverb) meaning aware or otherwise possessed of one's sensory faculties.

[papau]

2. I like it! :-) but no firm support until I hear the health care plan and the SS wage cap removal

(with the health care plan using insurance companies for administrative services only as we do now for Medicare) and income taxation changed so we are treating investment income the same as wage income as to tax rate - stopping the current taxing of wage income at a higher rate than investment income - investment income that is going 90% to the rich and corporate.

A quick walk away from Iraq if it has not happened already, getting the Afghanistan government to be in control of more than the city of Kabul, a redo on the IMF and the WTC and the World Bank to get environmental, minimum wage, union rights, and human rights at the front of the line in any development or trade proposal, and pressure on Israel/PA to accept Taba/Geneva as currently written, all the while reining in our CIA adventures against any country not kissing the ass of the rich and corporate - would be the foreign policy I'd want to hear they are supporting.


Oh - one more thing - I also want a plug-in hybrid under my tree 12/25/08.

Yep - the above would "buy" my vote for that ticket.

[GenDem]

3. I'm in!

Just finished working on Hillary's senate race and really like Obama a lot.

[snowbear]

5. How 'bout .......... "Someone else/Obama"

Because the way you had it....

Hillary/Obama 08!

[stuartrida]

6. I'd prefer to have someone less polarizing than Clinton

I hope she isn't the nominee

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Hill The Republican Shill - How About a Dem At The Top of the Ticket?

- Still supports the Iraq War
- "Free" trade - adios jobs!
- Both "Patriot" Acts
- One of the two draconian bankruptcy laws
- Likely proxy attacks on Howard Dean at the DNC (hasn't disclaimed them)
- Fled like a terrified pup from censuring Bush

and so forth. We need a Democrat for President.

[whathappened]

12. thanks but no thanks

there will be a good cantidate to run for the office of presadent and vice , this just is'nt going to be the one

[zulchzulu]

18. Why would Obama sink his chances with being on a ticket that loses in a landslide

I think Obama is smarter than that...

[wtmusic]

20. Anyone Else/Anyone Else 08! nt

[liberalpragmatist]

21. I'm thinking it'll be Obama-Richardson

Not necessarily my favorite ticket (although I could be quite happy with it); but it seems a pretty logical ticket, unless it'll turn off too many white voters that there isn't any full-blooded white man on the ticket.

[TheDonkey]

22. Obama/Biden or Richardson

Would be an odd couple but Obama could use Biden's foreign policy experience same with Richardson.

It's great there is a line of diverse democrats to pick from. Napolatino, Richardson, Obama, Clinton... there is nothing wrong with this picture. Have you heard of ANY diversity in the Republican lineup. Didn't think so :think:

[Ninja Jordan]

23. Obama-Clark is the sickest ticket out there.

[AtomicKitten]

24. Gore/Obama is a kickass ticket.

[elizm]

26. NOW you're talking! :)

Hillary, no way, ever. Gore/Obama...YES!

[HuffleClaw]

25. i sure hope not

opportunism + inexperience? not a good bet.

[Clark2008]

27. One word:

:puke:

[mtnsnake]

30. It won't be Hillary/Obama. It'll be Hillary OR Obama

I doubt if either one wants to be VP. I think Hillary would make a fine president if she could find a way to win the general election. I think Obama would make a great president, and I think he WOULD win the general election. IMO, Barack Obama is just the medicine this country needs to re-unite it and heal the divisive wounds from 8 years of Bush.

[MrSlayer]

32. I am the polar opposite of "with you" on this.

We do want to win, don't we?

[flpoljunkie]

34. Is that you, "Corporal Cueball"?

[Infinite Hope]

36. Clinton or Clark, if nominated, will pick the other. It's a done deal and has been for years. n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

37. How about

Two Candidates that would actually win the fucking election.

That would be a good place to start...