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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:25 PM
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The Goldwater Moment (Mary Lyon)
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 03:26 PM by Tace
Mary Lyon, From The Left -- World News Trust

Dec. 11, 2006 -- Might the “G” in Oregon Republican Senator Smith’s monogram stand for “Goldwater”? After Gordon Smith’s cry-uncle confessional in the Senate, as the 109th Congress wrapped it up last week, I was standing at attention. This was a significant moment. Smith clearly and thoughtfully admitted that after trying for years to be a “good soldier” for the president on the subject of Iraq, he just couldn’t take it anymore. He’d seen and heard the verdict of the Iraq Study Group. He’d reached the critical mass point of bad news from the front, hand-wringing from the generals, and growing outrage from the voters who’d just taken out their frustrations over the war, republi-CON corruption and lack of accountability by throwing a lot of them out. Smith said he could no longer support the war, its carnage and chaos, or it’s increasingly unavoidable status as a dead end. It was more than just a speech. WAY more. Indeed, it may be the opening notes of a New American Century “Goldwater Moment.”

What I did indeed expect, and what we’re all seeing in small, tentative steps, is evidence of what I hoped would be the biggest benefit from the November midterm elections. Once Democrats secured control of the House AND the Senate, the weather changed in Washington. Suddenly, the GOP had the wind knocked out of it. Their behavior indicates that they truly were NOT expecting this. Perhaps they thought the fix was in again, and that their majorities would be protected. After all, wasn’t Karl Rove talking about how everybody else might have their math, but he had “THE math” that would accurately forecast another republi-CON windfall? When Karl’s golden predictions did not come true, it gave a lot of them some serious pause. The party’s OVER. Time to decide if you’re on the bus or off the bus, as Ken Kesey would have told his Merry Pranksters. Suddenly more of the survivors are voicing interest in accountability, in canceling all further White House free passes, in asking some pointed questions and trying to get some realistic answers. It’s starting to appear as though the bus is going to be getting more crowded. And that makes it more likely that George W. Bush will eventually be thrown under it.

Let’s call it “The Goldwater Moment.” Named for the late Senator and Republican firebrand Barry Goldwater, who embodied the conservative political philosophy in the 1960’s, only to get shellacked by LBJ in the 1964 presidential election. That victory set the party back, but hardly marked the end of Goldwater’s impact on his fellow believers. In fact, his most lasting mark was made in the leadership he showed a decade later.

It was in August, 1974 that the Arizona Republican led a small contingent of GOP legislators from Capitol Hill over to the White House to talk some sense into Richard Nixon. Nixon was drowning in the roiling swells of Watergate, yet he remained stubborn against the mounting odds and continued to stonewall even while many of those walls were closing in on him. Enter Barry Goldwater, by then an esteemed party elder, one of the lone GOP voices speaking without the taint of scandal and ruthless criminality. He pressed the case personally with Nixon, telling the beleaguered president that his time was up. The mounting evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors from the Watergate mess had led directly to the Oval Office. There was no getting around it anymore, and nobody wanting to keep trying to do so. It was Goldwater who delivered the news to Nixon – you’re going down. There’s no more support available to you. Everybody’s bailed. You’re facing imminent impeachment unless you resign. Your only option now is to jump before they push you, for the good of the party. Very shortly thereafter, that’s exactly what Nixon announced he would do.

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http://www.worldnewstrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=734
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:37 PM
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1. K&R.nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:44 PM
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9. Thanks, my friend!
Let's toast to the New Century Goldwater - whoever he (or she) might be.

:toast:

I truly believe someone WILL step forward and show leadership on this. I heard a caller on Ed Shultz's show today say he expected resignations might be inevitable - cheney first with the understanding that bush will grant him an immediate pardon. Then bush bails, after having appointed cheney's replacement - who's already prepared to give junior a pardon. They may try something really calculating - maybe contradicta or somebody (GOD HELP US!!!) who's superficially appealing and - in her case, would give them a way to sweet-talk African Americans (LOOKIE!!! Look at US!!! WE'RE the first to elevate a black person this high) during the '08 campaign. They're REALLY hurting with African Americans anyway. I would hope such a maneuver would be quickly seen for what it is - sheer shameless pandering. But I'd bet the thinking now is - they'd have a quick-n-dirty leg up on 2008 because they could run whoever stepped in for cheney and then took bush's place as an incumbent, with all the power and perks and other advantages the incumbent enjoys.

The more I think of it, the more probable it seems to me - that bush/cheney will not complete the current term.

Let's just keep repeating - "CAN WE AFFORD TWO MORE YEARS OF THIS?????"

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:53 PM
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2. I can hardly wait
until a modern day GOP delegation goes to the WH with the same message Goldwater gave Nixon.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:26 PM
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3. Sending this to Greatest page
Excellent read! K&R!! :kick:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:17 AM
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16. Thanks so much!
Like the donkey kick!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:07 PM
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4. Who's going to be Bush's Goldwater?
Or have they exhausted the well of common sense advisors?
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 12:14 PM
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17. Good point. Who is untainted by the neocon reign?
I can't think of any Republican who held his own against the Bush reign. And please don't mention John McCain, who went between being whipped for minor complaints against Bush to avowed loyalty and support for him. There aren't any Goldwaters out there, only last-minute people trying to look like Goldwater.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:12 PM
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18. Probably not, unless they're cheap substitutes. But I don't really care
that much. What matters to me isn't who's trying to look like Goldwater. All I care is THAT they're trying to look like Goldwater - at least as far as the message that needs to be brought to bush.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:14 PM
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19. Probably. He's trying to court Dems now, but only conservative and
moderate Dems. It's encouraging to see they're not necessarily jumping at it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3012672
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:23 PM
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5. Excellent essay from Mary Lyon!
I think she is right on that the *shes didn't see this election coming...just blindsided because they believed Karl's "math." There is a Goldwater out there; the repugs can't last 2 more years under * without being totally destroyed.

K&R

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:00 PM
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6. K/R
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:30 PM
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7. That was a great moment -- Smith speaking eloquently, from his heart...
and apparently without fear, when he used the word "criminal."
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:38 PM
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8. i wonder if old gordon isn't a trial balloon for impeachment support
from the dark side.

A little too late, gordon, but better than never.


rv, raised in the extraordinary state of mind that is Oregon for half her life.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:49 PM
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10. I think that's already happening.
Remember, they've all gotta go home where their constituents get a lot better chance at seeing them or speaking to them. I think other timid Republicans are watching closely to see how his statements shake down. He evidently was all over the Sunday talk shows with people asking him to elaborate on the "it may even be criminal" comment, but he wouldn't cooperate that much.

Believe it, though. They're ALL watching him to see what the reaction is. If he's embraced by his own folks back home, there'll be at least ten more like him in the Senate come January. I suspect the Hagels, Snowes, Collinses and perhaps even the Voinoviches are thinking along these lines, wondering when it's safe to stick their heads up out of the foxhole. I bet some of them seriously want to, because they can see and understand where the public is, already. They're just afraid. So far.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:49 PM
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13. Lots of visualizing going on around here...
B-)

K&R

NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 08:23 AM
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:07 PM
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11. K&R, this is exactly why impeachment should be a very real possibility...
it seems rather amusing that Democratic leadership is looking forward to working with Bush as he continues to be stubborn and while other Republicans are beginning to call his actions criminal. Let's hope these Dims snap out of it in January.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:41 PM
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12. Good piece, but I disagree
Gordon Smith is willing to say ANYTHING to get re-elected, and he's up in 2008.

He's pulled this crap before. In 2002, he convinced the mother of Matthew Shepherd (the gay kid who was murdered and hung on a fence in a Wyoming winter) to record an advertisement indicating his support of federal hate-crimes legislation, something he knew damn well had no chance passing.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2002_Oct_29/ai_94079716

After he counted the votes on ANWR drilling in '05, he made a big deal about voting against it then flip-flopped and voted for it.

He's a miserable little Bush toadie that deserves to have his ass handed back to him by us blue Oregonians in '08.

This was not heartfelt, I don't believe it for one moment. We Oregon natives know what this guy is really about. He won't be getting any slack from me. He voted for every Bush measure. Every one.

http://www.blueoregon.com/2005/11/an_brief_lesson.html
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:02 AM
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14. Well, good - we need to be on the alert. I still think where he's
tip-toed, others will start stampeding.

And hey, if he's the type who's all Machiavelli all the time, then fine. So be it. Let's be that way, too. If he's going to try to use this, let's use him. Wring something good and beneficial and productive out of his ass. I really don't care who they are - if they're starting to even hint that they're straying off the reservation (even if it's merely to position himself better for 2008) I say we use and manipulate that as much as possible. We can use people like him to get to others and soften them up even more. I'm in it for the numbers at this point.

Believe me, I'm not racing across the beach in slow motion toward him with my arms outstretched. But I AM willing to use him. If he's nothing but a tool, then sometimes tools can be put to good use.
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lillilbigone Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:21 PM
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20. Bush doesn't have one-tenth of the integrity of Richard Nixon.
and that's sad. really sad, for all of us.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:00 PM
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21. NO KIDDING!!! I find it mindblowing that this schmuck actually makes me
miss Richard Nixon. Just mindblowing.
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