Obama Supporters: Here's where "they" will attack you.............

[KoKo]

This morning on C-Span I, Chicago Tribune's Jim Warren did a whole BIO of OBAMA.

Here's what worried me about it: Obama's second father (Indonesian Investor) seemed to give enough money to his Step-Child for him to attend "Prep Schools" and get into Columbia. When Obama took much time off to work with "activists in Harlem" he then went to Harvard Law School where he was HEAD of "Harvard Review."

Warren said that Obama went to "Prep Schools" in Indonesia and then went to Columbia and after "hiatus" went to Harvard Law.

My QUESTION IS! Where the Hell did Obama get the MONEY to DO THIS? Don't most of us know folks who could QUALIFY for YALE or HARVARD LAW yet don't get the money to do it? :shrug: How did Obama's mother (single Mom...married twice..manage to get the bucks to do this?}

Warren (who used to be "News Director" for "Chicago Times" before he was put off to the "Features Section" also said that there are "interesting Land Deals with Obama and a Chicago Machine Investor,(linked to Mafia) that could come out if he runs. :shrug:

Those of you who think OBAMA can't be "Swift Boated" just like Kerry or what happened with "Gore...who didn't Invent the Internet...need to be aware that whatever is in OBAMA's Past WILL COME OUT.

And..I want to know who FUNDED HIS EDUCATION? With a father who went back to Kenya and one who was an Indonesion Investor ...WHO PAID FOR OBAMA's EDUCATION at the FINEST COLLEGES AMERICA has to OFFER?

Shouldn't we examine Obama more before we compare him to JFK and jump on the MEDIA BANDWAGON? Why Shouldn't we????? :shrug:

[riverwalker]

1. single mom

Wasn't his mother a professor of anthropology? It's not like she was waiting tables.

[nashville_brook]

3. liberal arts profs don't make "harvard"-like money

[Autonomy]

2. your question is how did he pay for college? seriously?

[Dawgs]

4. Interesting!! Doesn't everyone here support Barack Obama!!

:shrug:

[Sapere aude]

5. Let's see, who can we run that the right can't make up shit about?

[caledesi]

86. Good one. This is the best these thugs can do? This is going to

get good. :popcorn:

[TheDebbieDee]

6. Of course, we should check out Obama and find out all we can...

And we should find out all we can about Hillary Clinton and Al Gore and Evan Bayh and Tom Vilseck and Wesley Clark and anybody else who runs for the Democratic nomination.

My mind is far from made up....about anyone ('cept Gore - he'd get my vote straight up).

[Dawgs]

7. Stupid post!!

Why don't you also ask how a black man made it into Harvard.

I thought only freepers made accusations without facts. I guess not.

[dipsydoodle]

11. Hear hear

posts like this do far more harm than good.

[KoKo]

58. Your "profile" declares you are from England...what pony do you have

in this race that you are so adament about your candidate that you can't vote for? :shrug:

[JeffR]

110. Why do you assume he can't vote?

Millions of Americans live abroad, and many of them vote. Not saying the poster is an American, because I don't know. Neither do you.

[KoKo]

19. Warren also said that Obama's Wife make over $300,000 Working for

a Charity! How many of us have spouses who can make that money working for a "charity." :shrug:

[carpe diem]

27. his wife is a Harvard lawyer...

I would imagine her income is on the low end of the pay scale for most Harvard law school graduates...the "charity" she works for is University of Chicago Hospitals whe she is a vice president and her salary is in line with the other vice presidents

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/09/hospital_offici.html

[KoKo]

32. Jim Warren of "Chicago Triburne" says...she heads a "Charity Conglomerate"

and as a lawyer that's where she makes her money from. :shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

36. So now we smear Obama's wife. Geeesh...

With "friends" like these...

[KoKo]

64. No...Jim Warren reported that his wife makes $300,000 a year at a

"charity conglomerate."

She obviously is qualified to make what she does and it will be reported somewhere if an when he declares himself as a candidate. This isn't a smear but a fact according to "Chicago Tribune" Managing Editor.

Call-In
Obama Political Future
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 195551 - 3 - 12/11/2006 - 0:34 - $29.95


Warren, James Deputy Managing Editor, , Features

Mr. Warren talks by remote video link from Chicago about the political future of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (D).

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=198379706

[carpe diem]

39. does this charity conglomerate have a name?

or is the hospital considered a charity?

[KoKo]

46. Hey..go at Jim Warren at "Chicago Trib" or C-Span....I'm only reporting

their "Swiftboating" ...ask THEM for their Sources! :eyes:

[carpe diem]

53. i'm not going at you but if you insist on "reporting", don't you feel any

responsibility for helping THEM by spreading THEIR misinformation...THEY didn't post this on DU, YOU DID!!!

[KoKo]

56. DU is not a Privileged Island.....The Swifties got Kerry with no Help from here

and HE wasn't prepared as much as folks here tried to "clue him in."

That's what I'm trying to say. If you really read my post and knew how long I'd been here ...maybe you wouldn't consider "Me" the "Enemy" but look to the "machine" that watches "C-Span" and looks for their "Talking Points" to post to their Right Wing Blogs.

Get It? :shrug:

[nashville_brook]

8. with ANY candidate, it's imperative we don't get into another Whitewater mess

if there's a hint of dirty deals anywhere, we, as the party base, need to get out in front in demanding full disclosure and integrity.

the only thing worse than a compromised candidate would be a compromised president.

[Crunchy Frog]

9. Obama went to Harvard?

I'm absolutely shocked.

I'm not on the Obama bandwagon by any means, and I'm perfectly aware that the Repukes can and will swiftboat any Democrat who runs, but I really can't imagine that where he went to school would be the make or break issue for a potential presidential run. I'm more interested in what his opponents have to offer over what he has to offer in terms of policies, qualifications, and the sort of large scale appeal that a Democrat must have to get elected in this country today.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Rich step-daddy paid for college! Where's the outrage!!!!111 This is HUGH!!11

Not. Keep trying.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. We're really, really screwn if he gets the nomination.

[AtomicKitten]

31. irretrievably, bent-over-the barrel screwn

[KoKo]

35. I think that Jim Warren from "Chicago Tribune" was saying that he's not Bootstraps

who "worked his way up." He didn't mention "scholarships" but said Obama attended "Prep Schools" in Hawaii and got into Columbia and did "internships" and knocked around in Harlem before going to Harvard Law where he interned at good Law Firms in the Summer.

Warren was alluding that Obama didn't "buss tables" at "Mickey D's" to earn a living.

This is what Jim Warren of "Chicago Tribune" is saying...NOT ME!!!

[Comicstripper]

121. You use a lot of "quotation marks"

"Just sayin'."

[mourningdove92]

10. the article says the second father sent him

to Prep schools and Columbia. He probably paid for Harvard as well.

Who the hell cares?

[beaconess]

66. Interesting - I haven't seen any other candidate have his college financing questioned on DU

I agree - who the hell cares how Obama paid for college?

(Although I tend to think that a student who manages to become President of Harvard Law Review doesn't have much trouble getting any kind of academic scholarship he wants)

[Clark2008]

13. Um... no. They will "attack" him subtly - in much the same vein

as they did Harold Ford Jr.

Afterall, McCain has hired the "Bimbo Blonde Call Me" ad guy already.

[PVnRT]

80. Don't forget the "Hussein" part as well

They WILL mention his full name every chance they get. I'm surprised they and the Hillarybots aren't already.

[Qutzupalotl]

103. Iraq? Hussein? Osama?

Barack Hussein Obama!

:woohoo:

[fuzzyball]

118. That's it...Barack SADDAM Hussein Obama OSAMA...

that will be the right wing attack come sept-oct 2008.

In all seriousness, if his name was Barack Rodham Smith,
he would be elected in a heartbeat. His name will turn off
many "red blooded" Americans, like it or not.

[eleny]

14. I read that Obama bought a strip of property from his neighbor...

...to extend the Obama's backyard. If the neighbor is mafia, I guess that translates to "an interesting land deal". But I find your concern over this laughable.

Btw, I read this here in DU. Guess you didn't see the article nor did you bother to research the issue yourself before posting your "concerns". Give me a break Koko.

Now, tell us, what did you discover when you researched these Obama issues that you're so-o-o concerned about. :rofl:

[bigdarryl]

17. Maybe because he was a minority from another country he qualified

for a collage loan just like the Indians and every other minority does which is nothing wrong with it because minorities have a harder time getting the money to go to collage

[Radical Activist]

18. The neighbor isn't mafia

he is involved in some corruption scandals in Illinois. Campaign finance stuff. Calling him mafia is a new one.

[KoKo]

21. Jim Warren (Chicago Tribune Reporter) says it was Mafia money from guy

who "chats up" newbie Illinois politico's and that Obama should have been aware of this guy because he's known for this.

Hey! I agree! How the Hell was "International Obama" to know some Chicago Mobster was "chatting him up" to embroil him in a Land DEAL...he'd have to answer down the road?

I think this could be RW "Chicago Trib" CRAP...but I don't LIVE in CHICAGO and figure it's good to get the "Dirt Out" and REFUTED right now before he runs so we don't have another KERRY FIASCO? :shrug:

Obama needs and will HAVE TO answer ALL THESE QUESTIONS. Better that Dems ask them EARLY than waiting for REPUG "SWIFTIES" to ask them...Dontchathink?

[eleny]

25. I think you should have researched and posted what you found in the first place

And not played your little game. That's what I think, since you asked.

[KoKo]

59. Here..Eleny...is the Video and C-Span Link..........

Call-In
Obama Political Future
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 195551 - 3 - 12/11/2006 - 0:34 - $29.95


Warren, James Deputy Managing Editor, , Features

Mr. Warren talks by remote video link from Chicago about the political future of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (D).

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=198379706

[hedda_foil]

22. The neighbor was a big fundraiser for the (D) governor

He'd also raised bigtime money for Repubs previously. He was indicted about a month ago. The land deal was about this: Obama bid on his house. The property next door was for sale and the guy bought the same day as Obama bought his and sold the side plot to Obama for a side yard. The guy hadn't been outed at the time. Blogojevich, the governor, on the other hand, is in big trouble going forward because Fitzgerald is using the fundraiser to get at Blago.

And didn't Obama go to prep school in Hawaii? That's detailed in his autobiography at some length. He wound up editing the Harvard Law Review, so he's no slouch academically and Harvard has lots of scholarship endowments. I doubt very much that there's anything there. The Dem primary in '04 was pretty down and dirty on behalf of a couple of the other candidates and if Obama had lied in his autobiography about something as big as where he went to prep school they would have gotten him on it. There's a lot of chatter about how his two top opponents had to drop out of the race, but that's overstated. The Democratic opponent who had to drop out (because he'd beaten his ex-wife) was filthy rich but totally uninspiring -- he wasn't going to win in any event. The remaining Dem field was very impressive, experienced and well known in the state. The annointed Repub contender was outed as having forced his movie star wife to have group sex in clubs. He would have been extremely tough because he was charismatic, gorgeous, and had a very impressive bio and tons of money. BUT the Republicans in Illinois were in disarray because the former governor was indicted and there was no real leadership. Obama would likely have beaten him in any event, though certainly not with the huge numbers he racked up against the batshit crazy Allan Keyes.

[eleny]

29. Thanks Hedda

I'm sure this will give Koko much relief to learn that it was hardly an "interesting land deal" and was actually no big deal. I'm surprised Koko didn't find this information.

[KoKo]

42. Thanks Hedda...and your background gives something to the real

investigation that went on. I have no doubt that what Obama got into wasn't the same crap (minor land deal in RE Bubble) that Bill and Hillary were "WITCH HUNTED" by Ken Starr for all Bill's tenure.

BUT...the point of my post was that REPUGS will DRAG OUT ALL the SAME STUFF against OBAMA that they did against Bill and Hillary.

Dems need to be READY TO COUNTER. My post...as "antagonistic" as it seemed to Obama supporters was just at "HEADS UP and BE AWARE AND READY TO ATTACK" post.

He's not my Candidate but I don't want any DEM CANDIDATE to EVER be caught Unawares of Repug Swift Boaters EVER AGAIN!

I hope you understand where I was coming from. "Forarmed and Forewarned" is better than "left to surprise." ???????

[lillilbigone]

15. What is this thread about?

The original post seems pretty incoherent to me. Is it an attack on Obama? If so, the attack is based on what issue? Or is the original post an attempt to make some other point? Could some please translate it into standard American English for me? Thanks in advance.

[KoKo]

24. Good Question...It's about: "Integrity and Disclosure and Media Spin and

how we here should be thinking about things and how this all plays out.

[lillilbigone]

88. I wish I could say that your reply was in some way illuminating.

[athena]

95. No, it's about slander.

If there is anyone trying to spin Obama's past, it's you.

[lillilbigone]

117. WTF are you talking about?

If there is anyone trying to spin Obama's past, it's you.

Really, what ARE you talking about? What did I do or say that deserves this personal attack launched on me?

[troubleinwinter]

109. Scoot over a bit & gimme a seat.

[carpe diem]

20. as far as Columbia and Harvard...

he said on Oprah and metioned in other interviews that he and his wife (Princeton and Harvard) had only recently finished paying off student loans. So, I guess they did it the old-fashioned way...lots and lots of debt...

[Berry Cool]

34. In his book, that's certainly how he describes it.

He says "for the first ten years of our marriage, our combined monthly payments on our undergraduate and law school debt exceeded our mortgage by a healthy margin."

No big honking scandal to it. He and his wife got LOANS. And they repaid them. People do it.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people even today continue to assume that the only way anyone can afford college is for their parents to foot the entire bill for them, and that in order to do it they have to have the cash in hand. Maybe their parents could do that, and did--but mine sure couldn't and didn't. But it didn't stop me. Nor did I have to rob a bank.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Wow. I'm not used to these kind of "who does he think he is?" posts here at DU.

Uppity black man going to Harvard. How dare he~~!. What the fuck are his motivations, anyway!?

Seriously, must we concoct these sorts of wild-eyed ad hominen attacks against one of our own? Usually not our style.

[KoKo]

28. I've never seen what you say posted about Obama here on DU....

maybe I missed it ...do you have a link for us to read what you saw?
:shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

33. Too funny. The original post of this thread is the silly concocted controversy in question.

If you wish to stand by it, fine. But let's not play games.

[Renew Deal]

38. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3011623&mesg_id=3011623

[KoKo]

65. Where in my post is "uppity black man?" Here's C-Span Link to Interview:

Call-In
Obama Political Future
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 195551 - 3 - 12/11/2006 - 0:34 - $29.95


Warren, James Deputy Managing Editor, , Features

Mr. Warren talks by remote video link from Chicago about the political future of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (D).

[Crunchy Frog]

87. Haven't been here long enough.

Until you've lived through primary season at DU, you don't know what real nastiness is.

[bowens43]

26. Obama is certainly a better candidate

then any of the others floating around. Gore, Kerry, Clark, Kucinich, Edwards, Hillary etc are sure losers. We need Obama or someone very much like him.

[KoKo]

30. What is your reasoning that all other Candidates besides Obama are Losers?

could you give some reasons? You had a pretty broad spectrum in your post...leaving many DU voters out...if we don't vote for Obama.

What's special about him compared to the other candidates? And since I'm hoping Gore will come in and declare why do you think Obama is better Candidate than Gore?

Thanks...if you could do a reply...about WHY you think Obama is better.

[Kahuna]

41. Maybe it's time for another one of your, anybody else notice that there are

more conSERVAtive and MODerate posters on DU lately? :rofl:

[KoKo]

44. I've never posted anything like that on DU...you must have my name wrong

...sorry. I post alot of quirky things...but not that...if you have links I'd love to see them.

[Dawgs]

45. How bout the very title of this thread?

You imply that you don't support Obama. How do you expect us to take that?

[KoKo]

49. Go after Jim Warren of the "Chicago Tribune" or "C-Span."

Hey..I was only reporting what Warren said this a.m. on C-Span. :shrug:

Why go after me?

[jefferson_dem]

52. Warren did not attack Obama. You did. You took a bit of harmless biographical information

reported by Warren and used it to launch into an ad hominem "swift boating" of Obama.

Don't deflect blame. Remember, this was *your* question ---

My QUESTION IS! Where the Hell did Obama get the MONEY to DO THIS? Don't most of us know folks who could QUALIFY for YALE or HARVARD LAW yet don't get the money to do it? How did Obama's mother (single Mom...married twice..manage to get the bucks to do this?}

[KoKo]

57. I used the "style" of the Swift Boat Type Attacks that Obama will have to

deal with...and it deals with legitimate questions that Obama supporters will have to deal with just as all us Dems will have to deal with when the MS Corporate Media goes knocking on OUR doors with MORE Innuendo that will be built up like the Repugs did agains both Carter and Clinton.

If you think "I'm" the "Enemy" then you ain't seen NOTHING YET!

[MonkeyFunk]

70. really...

so you think we should "swiftboat" all our own candidates before the Right gets a chance to?

The fact is, ANY candidate we offer will be "swiftboated" on one stupid claim or another. EVERY SINGLE candidate!

People seem to think there's some mythical candidate who will be immune from baseless right-wing attacks: that's just not true.

We don't need to do the republicans' job for them.

[treestar]

92. Just trying to be prepared for it when it comes

That seems sensible. What to say when the freeper-types bring it up? It is easier to respond with a chance to think about it.

[nam78_two]

47. Certain posters prefer not to offer up any reasoning

to the rest of us proles...


Much better to make terse, imperious pronouncements.

"Kucinich and Gore are losers", "America is more moderate than most on DU"(Translation-"you crazy, far left CTists are next door to drooling idiots and out of touch with the rest of America which is "sensible", "moderate" and "not shrill"...")


I can never figure out why all the "sensible", "intelligent", "moderate" posters on here, who are clearly smarter than the rest of us, can never seem to figure out that people might be more amenable to listening to their view points if they were less condescending and less obnoxious (Thats not about this poster per se but many others who go around scolding everyone for being "hysterical", "making us all look bad" and so on, but apparently are not smart enough to phrase this in ways such that they could actually have a conversation with those they are deriding.)

[KoKo]

48. You said you were replying to post #30...but your post was to someone else

because it didn't address the questions of Post #30...

:shrug:

[nam78_two]

62. I was

making a comment about the poster you were responding to :).

[ms liberty]

74. No KoKo01, he can't be bothered...

because he's the drive-by insulter breezing thru threads on the hunt to shoot down any positive mentions of Al Gore. He hates him, but he doesn't tell anyone why. I've asked him, several times in the last few days, and very civilly I might add.

BTW, I get where you were coming from in your OP. I heard much of the CSPAN segment you're referring to, and I thought at the time that it sounded like the RW trying out a potential attack.

We do need to be able to refute any attacks on ANY of our democrats. It's better for one of our own to alert us to what is being said so we can come up with a counter-attack.

I'm kinda puzzled by everyone taking it as an attack by you - I understood that you weren't attacking Obama, but relaying the gist of an attack ON Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

75. Yeah

and Freepers didn't attack John Kerry - they just relayed attacks by the Swiftboat vets.

It's reprehensible to start attacking ANY of our candidates with half-truths, innuendo and at times, downright lies.

[ms liberty]

76. Yes it is - that's why we need to know what's being said...

and look at it with an eye to what the RW WILL say...because then we won't be surprised and we'll have a counter-attack ready. Would you rather bury your head in the sand "I won't listen to this trash...waaaaa" and be sputtering and speechless when confronted with their BS or would you rather have a snappy, factual comeback that shuts them up and makes them look like fools?

I prefer the second option, thank you.

We ignore our enemies and their tactics and strategies at our own peril.

[KoKo]

78. Thanks for getting it....My subject line was probably too inflammatory...but

I did it that way thinking folks would "get it." Obviously many didn't.

Thanks for being one that did get it. :-)'s

[athena]

94. There is nothing to attack.

Koko is desperately trying to create something out of nothing. If you read Obama's books, you will find out a lot about Obama's past and see that there is little there that can be attacked.

[beaconess]

67. Hey, wait a minute? How did EDWARDS pay for college and law school?

Did you know his daddy worked in a mill? How could he afford all that schoolin'? Must have been some dirty pool in there somewhere.

[mitchtv]

85. Boy are you ache'n for an education

Gore will wipe the floor w/Obama should he chose

[Renew Deal]

37. Not until we examine how John Kerry paid for college

or Guiliani, or McCain, or Gore, or Edwards, or whoever.

[karynnj]

89. We actually KNOW that because it was brought up in 2004

John Kerry's prep school and Yale education was paid for by a wealthy aunt. Some members of his mother's family were quite wealthy. He earned spending money from a part time job during the school year and in the summers. (I think Edwards had scholarships)

I assume Senator Gore was wealthy enough to pay for his son's tuition etc. MCain went to a military academy I think if accepted there, it is free (if you call a long commitment to serve not a payment). I think Guilliani may have taken advantage of an excellent cheap City university (CUNY).

This Obama attack (CSPAN/Chicago Tribune)-NOT koko is disgusting and racist. Why is the fact that the step dad was INDONESIAN significant. Would this even be said if his mom's second (?) husband was a wealthy native Chicagoan? They WANT people to see this as a nefarious. If the step father was totally legitimate than this is dispicable.

[auntcookie]

113. And

How did dipshit dubya pay for college?????

[MonkeyFunk]

40. Nice!

Thanks for saving the Republicans from doing any heavy-lifting. We're perfectly happy to swiftboat our OWN candidates right here. Very thoughtful.

[KoKo]

51. Better WE answer and counteract the charges NOW than wait until he's

a Candidate...wouldn't ya think? Problem is that most DU'ers these days don't read past the subject line and attack folks who agree with them as if they are "enemies" rather than fellow travelers in the same party.

[MonkeyFunk]

54. Not when the "charges"

are pure bullshit. Why not just post about how his middle name will kill his candidacy?

[aaronbees]

72. It wouldn't be a day at DU without a thread on Obama's name

Latest culprit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2898815 :eyes:

And I agree on the charges -- just silliness and trumped up BS, though I'm trying to figure out why this BS is percolating up from the sewers.

[athena]

93. "We"? You're the one trying to spread lies about Obama.

As anyone who's looked into it knows, Obama's past is as spotless as it gets. All you can come up with is, "Who paid for his tuition"?

[zulchzulu]

43. The college thing is no biggie, but the Chicago story might have "legs"

The RNC is already throwing the off-the-wall shit on the wall to see if it sticks.

They will be trying to paint Obama as some crooked Chicago politico for the "land deal"... and even though I might be flamed by some, it would be in the best interest of turncoat filth like James Carville to try to float the story... Look for Carville, McCurry and Begala to help out the Repigs in dressing down Obama for their queen.

You can also bet that there will be a "Bimbo Eruption", even if it is completely fabricated like they did with Kerry. That's old school Repig attack machine fodder for the junior staff in Rovian training. Remember, women love Obama...so that's where you lie about him first.

Crooked "land deals"...sounds familiar... The college stuff? Eh... The Obama rhymes with Osama... Bzzzzt... He inhaled? Yawn.

Being the "declared frontrunner" this early is not a good thing. Obama needs to hand over the spotlight to Hillary or Edwards. The more he appears on TV smiling and being his decent self, the more the MSM is sharpening their knives. He needs to declare himself out of the running temporarily...until the spring or so...if he wants to run.

[beaconess]

68. I don't think buying a piece of land next to your own house really qualifies as a "land deal"

While technically, it's a deal for land, as is every purchase of property, it hardly qualifies as Whitewater.

(Hell, WHITEWATER didn't even qualify as Whitewater)

[geek tragedy]

50. If that's the worst, he's golden. eom

[Ethelk2044]

55. OBAMA

This is the very reason why he should think very hard about
running for President. People will make up crap just for the
hell of it. IT actually scares the crap out of people that he
may actually have a chance. They will attack his wife like
some are doing now, just for no reason at all. What his wife
is not capable of earning a six figure income. I for one am
very proud of her being a strong woman and supporting him
through stupid crap like this. So what he went to college.
Maybe all of us who went to college need to put the
information in a database of how we paid for our college
education in order companies to hire us. Get real people. He
scares a lot of people and yes they will attack him. Now all
of a sudden he is supposed to be linked to mafia. Are you that
afraid that he may win. Go write your books and try to sell
them . Then I want him to take each and everyone that tries to
publish any thing false about him to court. He needs to make
sure they walk out the court room with just their under pants
on. I am sick and tired of all of these lies. The ones that
has happen in the previous election and the ones that will
happen in 08. The candidates need to start taking people to
court if they start printing anything untrue. They need to
make sure they think twice before printing something that is
false or half true about anyone else. Is this what we as
people have come to?

We need to start looking at ourselves. What are we all about.
Does it scare you because of the color of his skin or what he
represents? We should think and think very hard, what it is
that makes all of us say what have been posted here. We need
to look at the repugs and attack the repugs and not the Dem's.
Whose side are we on? We attack every dem candidate we get.
Yet you see across they way they support their candidates.
What is wrong with us? It makes you wonder why anyone would
want to be a democratic candidate the way Dem's attack them
plus the repugs. Give it a break. Please and think about where
we want the party to head and try to help each other to move
it in that direction.

[KoKo]

60. Link to C-Span and interview with Jim Warren:

Call-In
Obama Political Future
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 195551 - 3 - 12/11/2006 - 0:34 - $29.95


Warren, James Deputy Managing Editor, , Features

Mr. Warren talks by remote video link from Chicago about the political future of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (D).

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=198379706

[ripple]

71. I watched the interview this morning

Considering who writes Warren's paycheck, I think the segment was an excellent indication of Obama's chances.

[IndianaGreen]

61. How did Bush get on an MBA program with a C average?

No one, and I mean no one, with a C average can be admitted to a graduate program. At least, this is the rule that applies to those of us who are children of the working class.

Obama was an A student--the rest is just Jim Warren's caca del toro.

[KoKo]

63. Here's the C-Span Link....

Call-In
Obama Political Future
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 195551 - 3 - 12/11/2006 - 0:34 - $29.95


Warren, James Deputy Managing Editor, , Features

Mr. Warren talks by remote video link from Chicago about the political future of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (D).

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=198379706

[ecstatic]

73. exactamento!!! nt

[Radical Activist]

69. I'm sure they'll come up with worse than that.

Obama has already admitted to using some pretty serious drugs before. He might be the guy that can get beyond the smear tactics.

[fujiyama]

77. The problem isn't

finding out about the past of candidates and potential weaknesses, but we already know the RW will make shit up about any candidate we run.

And your tone sounds really bizarre... "My question is who paid for his college..."

WTF?

[xultar]

79. IF HE WAS WHITE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE POSTED THIS BULLSHIT!!!

[beaconess]

81. Damn straight

I guess the next question will be "What White guy didn't get into Harvard because Obama took his spot?"

[fuzzyball]

119. Barack is not black, he is HALF white

as opposed to Condi who is close to 100% black.

[beaconess]

124. Since you brought it up - Obama probably has more Black blood than Condi does

Condi Rice, like most African Americans, likely has considerable amount of White blood on both sides of her family. Obama, on the other hand, is 50% African - which means he has much more African blood running through his veins than most Black Americans do.

But he IS Black, even though he's half White since.

[xultar]

82. Oh and let me say this a fucking racist ass post.

[MonkeyFunk]

83. to be fair

some people require dancing penguins to note racism

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x5906664

[xultar]

84. Ahhh. Gotcha. So a dancing penguin means that it's racist cuz only

black folk can dance.

GOTCHA...I couldn't figure out what all that penguin stuff was all about. I'd like to thank them for standing up for racism. Dumb ass me...oreo ass cookie didn't get it! :rofl: No really. Thank them for me.

I find it so funny they stand up fr all the wrong things where racism is concerned. I'd rather they really see the op's post in this thread as racist and not some stoopid ass penguin movie that'd require some wild eyed crazy ass conspiracy theory. Racism is easy and it doesn't take that much thought. Usually they wouldn't make some lame ass attempt. It'd be really more overt than penguins dancing. :rofl:

But I agree the OP must use penguins in their post if they are gonna be racist. :rofl:

[SteveM]

90. attacks on Obama

There is another area in which Obama can expect attack: gun control.

My research has indicated that Obama wishes to prohibit the sale and transfer of ALL semi-automatic firearms. Since there are many millions of citizens owning semi-automatic arms -- and they vote -- how will Obama counter their (and the gun lobby's) attacks?

To give you an idea of the scope of Obama's prohibitionist scheme, I own a Winchester '03 .22 rifle, made in 1905, for squirrels. It is semi-automatic. Will he have police forces confiscate this old heirloom?

[benEzra]

115. Not to mention the fact that self-loaders are arguably the most popular target rifles

in the United States (Ruger 10/22, SKS, AR-15 platform).

With all rifles COMBINED accounting for less than 3% of homicides annually per the FBI, it makes zero sense to expend political capital to try to ban self-loaders, even modern-looking ones. Unless the party wants a repeat of the 1994-2004 debacle, staying the hell out of people's gun safes would be a really, really good idea.


--------
Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What? (written in '04, largely vindicated in '06, IMO)

[athena]

91. There are many factual errors in your "story".

Do some research before you go spewing lies.

First of all, Obama's mother's family was middle-class. They weren't rich, but they could certainly afford to send Obama to Punahou and then to college. Obama went to Occidental College for two years and then transferred to Columbia.

Second, Obama's mother was only married to the Indonesian guy for a few years. The Indonesian guy died several years after the divorce. He also wasn't as rich as you suggest.

Third, Obama did not work with "activists in Harlem". After finishing college, he got a well-paying corporate job in New York. He found the work unsatisfying and quit a year later. After some soul-searching, he moved to Chicago to help local churches organize job-training and other programs for low-income families. He obviously didn't make as much money there as he did at the NY corporation, but he was earning money. After several years in Chicago, he decided that he needed more credentials to get things done, and he applied to Harvard. By this time, his Indonesian ex-stepfather was dead. As someone else has pointed out, both Obama and his wife took out loans to pay their way through Harvard.

[KoKo]

99. This was Chicago Tribune Editor Jim Warren's statements...the C-Span Link

is here on this thread to read what HE SAID...not what "I" Said. Just so you know!

Peace to you!

[athena]

102. And you are doing your best to spread this misinformation.

I say once again: if were really only concerned about the truth, you would go and do some additional research. You would read the two books Obama has written, which provide plenty of detail about his past, as well as about his personality. Knowing the facts, you would then be able to respond to such challenges. But that's not what you're doing. You're spreading the (alleged) misleading suggestions of a (possible) right-winger, with additional misleading speculation of your own. You are also ignoring all the information people have provided here to show that your speculations are untenable.

Incidentally, if you had read Obama's books, you would also know that he may be the best hope liberals have of saving the country. In trying to hurt Obama, you are really hurting the Democratic party.

ETA: your C-span link doesn't provide any information as to what Warren actually said. We only have your word for it. And most of your original post is your own stated speculation.

[plusfiftyfive]

104. Thank YOU!!! I agree! Le'ts deal in facts not half-truth's here,

I'm glad to see someone here who deals in facts rather than "half-truths"!!!

I listened to the C-Span presentation and then did some more research on the web, from sources like Wikipedia, and others Heck, even Obama's own site does a better job than the original poster here did in creating this somewhat inaccurate and deceptive thread.

Thanks for clearing this up! I think people who claim to support or want to support Obama ought to do about 20 minutes of reading of his biography and not rely upon some misinformed poster on the DU!!

Sometimes I think people who post here don't know how to listen and only like to post instead of read the facts.

Thanks again.

[matcom]

96. obviously his mother sold Crack to keep him in school

:sarcasm:

THAT is in EFFECT what you are saying (implying). WHOLLY SHIT this is offensive on its FACE!

:eyes:

:wtf:

:puke: thread

[matcom]

97. One more thing --- I'm nominating THIS THREAD

for the 'Tucker Carlson Thread Of The Day'

:eyes:

[KoKo]

100. Jim Warren of the "Chicago Trib" will applaud you for the Nomination

MatCom...he's the one who was on C-Span spewing this stuff.

Whatever problems you have with me "personally" at least read the post and thread before you attack....you've been here just a little longer than me. I wouldn't go after you unless I'd read what you said and the thread.

Sort of like attacking folks who have been in the same trenches fighting the Enemy for years. Do you attack your buddy who has fought against Bush ...just to be "COOL?" :shrug:

[matcom]

101. i don't have a problem with you and don't believe I have ever attacked you

i'm just tired as HELL with the Obama-bashing threads before ANY OF US know who he is!

this is 2002 all over again (and 2005) and it's getting REALLY fucking old.

i don't give a rat's ass where he got the money from UNTIL i find out he smuggled cocaine in his rectum and sold it to poor illegal aliens to raise the money

get it? these threads are BULLSHIT right now and HURT us

[KoKo]

107. Go Read and Kick Excellent Positive Post about Obama's Senate Record Then!!!

This post isn't getting much attention. It's very good and poster spent time putting it together.

Here's the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2983845

[plusfiftyfive]

106. Clean your ears and re-play that C-Span section....

He wasn't "spewing this stuff"....YOU were misunderstanding what he was saying. He didn't endorse Obama, he give some facts about Obama's education and family, very sketchy facts, but several of them in your first post in this thread you managed to get DEAD WRONG!!! For example, he NEVER said Obama worked in Harlem, he did community organizing when hired by a group of churches in Chicago AFTER he lived in New York city for a while WORKING after graduation from Columbia University in New York City.

Perhaps you need your ears cleaned.

[beaconess]

105. "Hey, I'M not saying anything bad about the guy, but this is what OTHER people are saying

so it's out there."

Bull.

[KoKo]

108. It's out there and Jeff Greenfield's "Hit Piece" is out there yesterday on CNN

where he compared Obama/Osama to Ahmanadinejad...in the way Obama dressed and used his middle name in a smear.

It's posted here on DU and it was disgusting. Get used to the Swift Boating of Obama just like they did with Kerry/Dukakis/Carter and tried to do with Clinton.

But...be prepared to have an answer.

Here's a great postitive post on Obama and his Senate Record if you want to read something positive to counteract the MSCorporate Media Spin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2983845

[smoogatz]

98. I'm pretty sure they give scholarships to smart people at Harvard--

no?

[eridani]

111. All Dem candidates must be prepared for swiftboating

It can and will happen to anybody who is even perceived as close to being the nominee.

[Gman]

112. Right on, KoKo. We know very little about Obama

Maybe there's a good solid explanation for the things you mention. Also maybe there's a lot of shade. Who knows? Sounds like some people do.

Personally, I don't think Obama will run. I want to think that he is wise enough to listen to the people telling him he has a long lifetime left to run for president and he shouldn't burn his self up now being tagged a loser. If Obama has been reading his own headlines too much, believes how great and wonderful he's supposed to be and in fact is rash enough to run, I personally don't want anything to do with this 2nd year freshman Senator running for president who has no real track record.

[Laurab]

114. Wow - let's swiftboat him here so they don't have to do it over there

I bet he avoided the Vietnam war, too....sheesh.

[Imagevision]

116. This thread is pointless -- to examine Obama more before we compare him to JFK?

Wait until the primaries then make your decision...

[HughMoran]

120. This is scary!

You want to start rumors about Obama's college funding and thusly tar him because you aren't sure about something?

Do you have any evidence or are you trying to start trouble?

[Imagevision]

122. Since slime & smear is pukes tactics, Dems should create their own cut & run solution to combat

this horseshit! -- doesn't this ever get old for you guyz?? If so, get a brain and deal with it!

[KoKo]

123. Huh? Who is "you guys" doing the slime?

Could you say more about what you posted? :shrug: