John Edwards is doing an INCREDIBLE job on Hardball !! (Tweety's 1st day back)

[snowbear]

Tweety gave him one of those pop quiz's (like the one they pulled on Reyes ... you know.. the one that CNN said that Bush actually did worse than Reyes on, but that it never made news.. you know the one...)

Edwards pretty much nailed it, only missing one.. Matthews was stunned at how knowledgeable Edwards is -- even when he's caught off guard. Tweety said "Wow, you are GOOD!!"

Elizabeth Edwards is on next ~~

Great job John & Elizabeth !! ~~

[liberalpragmatist]

1. People are ignoring Edwards at their peril

If Obama enters, Edwards chances dim somewhat, but he'll still have a good shot. He still polls very well in Iowa, Nevada, and South Carolina. Even Obama said yesterday on Ed Schultz not to ignore Edwards (who he also praised as a great public servant).

And if Obama DOESN'T enter, then Edwards has, I think, a better shot than Hillary Clinton.

[nashville_brook]

3. remember when Kerry came out of the early caucuses and primaries as a "surprise"

the meme was that the electorate wanted the STRONGEST candidate. we wanted the sure-shot -- not the historic, "gee it would be nice if" candidate.

i think Edwards is looking great in this respect.

[ChiciB1]

7. I'm SOOOOO Glad You Just Stated The Obvious!!!

As a Liberal, AND a BOOMER I became an Edwards convert during the 2004 election. Once I saw him in person and got to shake his hand and feel a certain sincere spirit about him, I simply have never looked back. Then after I got to see Elizabeth, my fate was sealed!! These two together are exactly what I envision America is really about!

Each of us has our own set of flaws and running for office you get nit-picked to death, but the fact that after the election he went out and rolled up his sleeves to work for those less fortunate showed me that he was "more" than just a suit! I realize many here are in disagreement, but that's okay, every candidate has certain draw backs and each person is welcome to rally behind their own. But for me, it's John Edwards and I really really think he has what it takes.

What a complete 360 from what we are experiencing now! How could we have been so robbed. And if Gore were to throw his hat in, it would be difficult for me... but I would love to see a Gore/Edwards ticket. I saw that because Gore actually served as VP for 8 years and it would give Edwards even more experience and set him up to run as President the next time around!!

Go, Johnny, GO!!!!

[femrap]

60. Yep, a Gore/Edwards ticket would be

unstoppable....and then Edwards for another 8....hell, we just might be able to save the world from the destructive path that the neocons have put us on after all!

That would give me great hope....but in the meantime, could we get behind PELOSI '07?

thx.

[question everything]

95. What kind of a ticekt? Edwards is not going to run as a V.P.

and I doubt that Gore would..

[DuaneBidoux]

107. I don't agree. We absolutely must have someone with a strategic backgroun in international affairs.

Edwards does have the charisma and looks (sorry, but this is a reality in the age of television). He probaly also have the intelligence, but he simply doesn't have the experience (which looking at Chimp's experience doesn't mean he couldn't be elected). I really think to do a good job as president and straighten out (if possible) the mess Chimp has made of the world we need to get someone with serious international experience.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

2. I hope Tweety does this with Hillary and Dennis. I'd like to watch those.

[snowbear]

5. Did Tweety invite Kucinich, Sharpton & Braun on last time?

I can't remember..

[bigdarryl]

6. Hillary doesn't do interviews

[Hardrada]

8. Only audiences

like the queen or the pope.

[question everything]

96. She will, of course, once (and if) she is a candidate

Did she not do interviewes in NY?

[ElizabethDC]

99. She's done plenty of interviews in the past

The Daily Show, the Tonight Show, Letterman, Oprah, Larry King, etc. Don't know if she's ever done Hardball. But I'm sure we'll see plenty of her on those shows in the next couple of years.

[ChiciB1]

9. I Personally Think Tweety REALLY Likes Edwards & Would Be

a big SUPPORTER of his!!! It's what I saw!

[Catchawave]

11. He does seem comfortable with Chris

Though I can't believe he asked John "do you always let Elizabeth bite your balls like that" :rofl:

For some reason I don't think that will come up with other candidates!

[question everything]

97. I missed that one

Was this when Elizabeth said that her kids were watching?

And what did she do? Was Edwards going to comment about the 2004 campaign?

[MoonRiver]

4. He's very impressive!

And Elizabeth is just so adorable! I didn't like Edwards much during the 2004 election, but he seems to have found his mojo. Still not my first or even second pick, but I could definitely get on board if he gets the nom.
:kick:

[chimpymustgo]

12. I'm looking forward to the re-run at 7 pm EST.

America needs these 2.

[ChiciB1]

57. Yeah, I Watched The Show Twice Myself... Can't Help It... He Just

seems so "natural" and after watching him the second time he came across so much more confident and comfortable. No matter what he decides I think we could do a lot worse.

I do like Obama a great deal too, but if I had to choose between the two, it will be Edwards. He seems so much more together these days and doesn't come off as flippant or prejudiced. I especially liked it when he said that he no longer worries about how his speeches are going to be received or whether the audience is going to be impressed. That's confidence showing and that's just being natural, and I LIKE it a lot!

If these two were in the WH I don't think Americans would be looked upon as evil & corrupt anymore. I think we would regain a lot of respect that has been lost. However, WHY anyone would want to try to repair what these evil war mongers have done to our country is a mystery to me. It's REALLY going to be some very HARD WORK!!!

[LSparkle]

10. I got Mbeki (sp?) but I thought Italy's was "Prodo" not "Prodi"

but I got the rest of them. It was good to see a potential leader who's at least as well-informed as an average newshound ... like me.

[Catchawave]

13. I got "zero" and I'm a newsjunkie !

[chimpymustgo]

14. Rerun on NOW. Great excitement at the beginning!!!

"The war is a mess...the ISG report sobering indictment. Amazing, unacceptable * is not changing course."

[Catchawave]

22. I liked his response about the campaign trail....

"...it's not about if the crowds love you, but are you ready to make the important decisions in the Oval Office..." paraphrased, of course...I.am.a.slow.typer. :D

[Infinite Hope]

93. Definitely a poke at Obama. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

15. I ain't gonna comment other than to say I'm watching his "performance"

[Catchawave]

17. no surprise here....

can't wait for you to "let'er rip" :rofl:

[chimpymustgo]

18. Thanks. Hope you'll keep an open mind.

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

66. Thanks.....

as civility is a virtue. Appreciate you taking my comment as it was meant.

[venable]

24. what is a 'performance' as opposed to 'answering questions'

really, you ought to just open your eyes, ears, and mind, and take off the anti-Edwards presuppositions. You are missing a lot. You don't know what you're missing, because you can't hear it. Trust the millions who do hear it. It's there.

If you think it's a performance, don't watch, don't comment.

[FrenchieCat]

25. You need to chill out.....cause your defensiveness is really a bit

over the top!

Quit being so fuckingly patronizing! :eyes:

[Catchawave]

31. Why are you on this thread....?

You knew it would be a lovefest for Edwards supporters :eyes:

So, when will General Clark be doing a College Tour, I'd love to see that. I'm serious, I really would :hi:

[venable]

35. I also would like to see Clark on College Tour

I suspect he would do very well.

He has a lot to add to the debate. I hope he runs.

[Carolina Voice]

89. Well, heck, then...

Why aren't you out somewhere working for him. Those of us here have already decided who merits our support.

[Clark2008]

50. Clark won't be invited.

The media refuses to talk about him 'cause he might beat McCain.

[Catchawave]

56. That is such an unfair comment about Clark !

He deserves better representation here, especially on an ..sigh..Edwards thread.

[Clark2008]

61. The comment wasn't about Clark - it was about the piss poor

media we have. Clark's fine.

[janx]

86. Why shouldn't all threads be open to all opinions?

?

[benny05]

91. I agree

But some folks in Virginia have noted that Clarkies are intolerant of other viewpoints: thou shall not piss off Clark supporters on blogs. Yes, I can prove it, but won't at present to protect the blogger as s/he is new to the blogosphere.

Clarkies either need to be polite or be very constructive in criticism to give some thought in how they disagreed with JRE's answers in the program. We don't invade your total love fests with Clark; we respect it. If it is a mixed post, asking Edwards supporters for thoughts, then that is a different case.

Clarkies need to learn their place. Please show some manners: it is the military way, as General Clark would do.

Be happy Hotline TV recognized General Clark was the 3rd most popular among bloggers today.

[GreenArrow]

100. Don't assume that everyone critical of Edwards

is a Clarkie. I'm not, for one.

[sendero]

106. I love Clark...

.. but I have no problem with Edwards either. If he can "handle" the media, he's 3 steps ahead of the game already!

[venable]

34. not defensive, just really tired of the pointlessness of your Edwards obsession

really, if it is a performance, why are you bothering to watch.

I believe you made your cuss word and adverb incorrectly. Not defensive, just grammar.

Edited to say that I don't want to argue with you. I am very pleased that JE did so well on Tweetie's show. If Clark goes on, I hope he does well, too. I suspect he would.

[Catchawave]

41. I noticed that too...

Nor does it help General Clark's supporters' credibility. Which is a shame because we're all supposed to be on the same team here...now.

[FrenchieCat]

63. When using the word "performance" sets you off in the way that it did,

then you were overreacting.....and of course Catch would jump in since the water's warm. :eyes:

and you may not want to discuss grammar too much when you determined based on your preconceived notion to apply meaning 3a instead of 1a-b, 2, 3b, 4a-b, and 5 to my comment (which mentioned nary a word about Wes Clark, nor a harsh word in reference to Edwards' Hardball performance).......

Main Entry: per·for·mance
Pronunciation: p&(r)-'for-m&n(t)s
Function: noun
1 a : the execution of an action b : something accomplished : DEED, FEAT
2 : the fulfillment of a claim, promise, or request : IMPLEMENTATION
3 a : the action of representing a character in a play b : a public presentation or exhibition <a benefit performance>
4 a : the ability to perform : EFFICIENCY b : the manner in which a mechanism performs <engine performance>
5 : the manner of reacting to stimuli : BEHAVIOR
6 : the linguistic behavior of an individual : PAROLE; also : the ability to speak a certain language -- compare COMPETENCE 3
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/performance

Wes Clark won't be "invited"....cause that's not how the media works. At this point, I'm in Wes Jr.'s corner when he says he hopes his father doesn't run.

[venable]

67. this is the most disingenuous post you've yet managed

and you know how you meant 'performance'. we all did, as English is our native language.

stop the kiddy games. there are adults here.

[FrenchieCat]

70. You thinking you know does not mean you actually do....which is where the patronizing

manifests itself.

Here's an example of the way "I" use the word performance, regardless of what you want to think....

FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-30-06 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. It really does pain me to see Wes Clark's words turned on their head
It really is a cheap thing to do.

I saw Wes' C-Span performance today, and I have to say........that is what a wise leader looks like. Leading is much more than coming up with catchy soundbytes, championing already popular issues and looking the part. It's about explaining where you stand and why. It's about providing wisdom and ideas to give us food for thought, and not attempting to say what is popular just because it is popular.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2993068&mesg_id=2993609

[venable]

75. quit playing games

you put quotation marks around the word 'performance'. everybody who speaks english knows what that suggests. why pretend that's not what you meant.

stop it. please. on behalf of many here, I beg you.

I really am stopping here.

[venable]

69. and you are a bit thin-skinned if you call my post

being 'set off'.

Being 'set off' is something quite different from asking that you listen rather than make diminishing comments.

why am I bothering with you? or you with me?

I wish your man Clark well. I really do. I hope our nation gets the best leaders.

When he speaks, I'll listen to what he has to say. I won't decide that I think he is faking something (which is, without any doubt, what you meant by 'performance', all your dictionary-ing notwithstanding). I'll listen.

[FrenchieCat]

72. You didn't "ask" me to do anything.....you basically "told" me what I should do....

and it just wasn't required.

venable (291 posts) Tue Dec-12-06 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
you ought to just open your eyes, ears, and mind, and take off the anti-Edwards presuppositions.
You are missing a lot. You don't know what you're missing, because you can't hear it.
Trust the millions who do hear it. It's there.

If you think it's a performance, don't watch, don't comment.

[venable]

74. I don't understand this discussion

I wish you peace.

[FrenchieCat]

76. Had you meant for me to have peace

You would have left my comment to stand on its own.....but you didn't-- Odd how you can presume what I "inferred", act like a spoiled kid about it and then come back with "I wish you peace". Talking about fakeass comments!

Without pretence, I wish you humility....

[venable]

77. peace

I really have no beef with you. Just peace to both of us, and to our nation, and to the world.

I'm sure you agree that there are much more important things for Democrats, like you and like me, to discuss, and inspire each other over.

Peace.

[1932]

64. "Fuckingly" was my favorite part of that post, having listened to Young Turks

this morning.

[FrenchieCat]

65. There you go!

Good observation......on your part.

[venable]

68. fine

can we discuss something other than that?

this is meant to be a thread about Edwards appearance on Hardball.

[JanusAscending]

101. Now .WHY did you have to go and say that???????

Geeesh, now the shit hits the fan!! (Frenchi, I'm with you on this one) No further comment needed!

[venable]

103. everytime something positive is said about Edwards

then, like clockwork..oh, never mind.

[JanusAscending]

104. Join the club, or get a thicker skin!

This is always done to Kerry on DU! We are getting used to it, but we know we'll have the last laugh!!

[venable]

105. Yeah, I noticed it about Kerry, too

...that he is constantly derided. So much so that a real discussion of him can't take place.

My skin is not too thick when it comes to attacks on Edwards. Legitimate criticism I can take. But the incessant disdain, the inability to let a favorable comment stand. There are a handful with something bordering on obsession, it seems. Hard to take.

Good luck with Kerry. I hope there can be real discussion. (I think, by the way, the one of the most unfair judgements at play these days is the attacks on Kerry for the botched joke. Good lord, it was just a botched joke. Let it go, press and Repubs, and even some Dems. Let it go)

[JanusAscending]

108. Thank you !

n/t

[Mass]

16. I hope he was ready for this. Anybody who cannot answer this

should not even consider running for president. The campaign trail is not the time for getting an education.

[citizen snips]

20. what were some of the questions asked?

I missed that part of the show.

[FrenchieCat]

21. Who was the President of S. Africa, PM of Canada, Germany and

Mexico. Also asked a couple of other questions.

He didn't know who was the Prez of S. Africa, got the others right....

[citizen snips]

26. my answers

Mandela, don't know Canadas pm, Merkel, and Lopez Orbador.

[LeftishBrit]

102. Trying my hand at same questions

South Africa: Thambo Mbeki

Canada: Stephen Harper

Germany: Angela Merkel

Mexico - was Vicente Fox; recently replaced by someone of same party after extremely close and hotly-contested election, but can't remember the name!

[OzarkDem]

43. Edwards is always prepared for questions

He was one of the best trial attorneys in the country. He earned his reputation always being prepared for any question thrown at thim; he's very thorough.

[goclark]

19. A big Edwards fan is right here. nt

[PresidentObama]

23. Sounds like an exciting interview.

I really like John Edwards, I hope he decides to run and make the pool of candidates bigger. The more great candidates, the better. :)

[Catchawave]

28. That's what he said too :)

All our hopefuls bring, well, Hope, to the debate :hi:

[ruggerson]

27. I'm more and more convinced

that John Edwards is going to be the next President of the U.S.

The pundits who are pushing HIllary and Obama seem to be overlooking the fact that Edwards has a huge ground operation in Iowa and Nevada and could likely pull off a win in both states. If he does respectably in NH and then wins South Carolina, he is then the undisputed frontrunner for the nomination.

[Catchawave]

29. He said it best....

about how the campaigning will bring everyone's strengths...and weaknesses...to the American voter.

[chimpymustgo]

30. OMG he was FANTASTIC. Really got a strong message across - in spite of Tweety

His line at the end about being on the side of working people having a voice really put Tweety in his place. Wow. That was wonderful.

[Catchawave]

32. ..and clearly explained too

Now that's a gift. He's definitely anti-corporate, but recognizes the plus side to their greed :evilgrin:

[chimpymustgo]

33. And Elizabeth is amazing! What a team!

Tweety is a fool, talking about people marrying their equals.

[Ninja Jordan]

36. Agreed. What the hell did that even mean?

Matthews is a slobbering idiot.

[Infinite Hope]

98. Having seen in person his comedy during commercials and before the show...

everyone realized his humor in certain statements that seem to offend so many on here. The crowd loved it and mind you it's a very pro-Edwards, pro-Democrat, and pro-liberal crowd at UNC. Those questions, while ridiculous, were part of his humor. I can see how his humor could be seen as something else without having seen the pre-show warmup and comments between commercials. Everyone knew it was just silliness, even John and Elizabeth. It was a fun time.

[Catchawave]

55. He actually mentioned "Stepford Wives"

Nevermind the Edwards, his wife is going to kill him :evilgrin:

[ChiciB1]

59. Tweety Was Laughing When He Said.... "I Can't "Hardball" You...

that was quite a compliment I think.

[Catchawave]

37. Video/Discussion up at Hardball now

Enjoy :hi:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15309654/

[chimpymustgo]

38. Thanks for the link! And let's get this on the Greatest page! K&R

That show was so fulfilling. Smart, thoughtful, funny - leadership. Man, what a nice change of pace.

[Catchawave]

39. Edwards did raise the bar for his

fellow Dems. He's a natural :loveya:

[Carolina Voice]

40. Chris Matthews

Personally, I thought Chris Matthews showed a lack of class with his crude comments and especially so at that hour of the afternoon. Elizabeth quite capably advised him her children were watching. People who have to use crude language to express themselves are only acknowledging their severe lack of command of the English language or whatever language they are communicating in.

[OzarkDem]

44. What did he say?

I missed it, do tell.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

46. He asked Elizabeth about biting John's balls

[OzarkDem]

47. Are you kidding?

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

48. Nope.

[OzarkDem]

49. WTF?

That is beyond crass. He should be fired.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

51. I think he meant to say "busting John's chops" but he got mixed up.

[OzarkDem]

54. Oh, ok

Maybe he's not back up to speed yet after being sick. I can imagine Elizabeth was shocked.

[karlrschneider]

82. He was in front of a college crowd. I don't think any of them were shocked.

I thought it was funny and so did his guests. Nobody but sexually-repressed idiots would be horrifically offended by the remark in 2006.

[Catchawave]

53. I was surprised it wasn't edited out for the second

show :rofl:

[Blue_In_AK]

84. I thought I heard that from the kitchen...

...but I thought, "Nah, surely he didn't say that." He really did, didn't he...

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

45. I thought Matthews was a little "out there" today

Maybe it was his medication.

[ChiciB1]

62. Personally, I Think Tweety Was Trying To Do The HARDBALL

job, but IMO he actually realized it wasn't working. I didn't think Tweety was being mean because as I said before, I think Tweety REALLY DOES like Edwards a LOT!! That's what I saw anyway, having seen Tweety many other times.

If I had to bet, I would say Tweety would actually vote for Edwards if he was the nominee! First day back and he was just trying to do the usual Hardball Show. What was quite interesting was just how well John & Elizabeth handled the whole interview. I just commented how natural they seemed and others here said the same. There is just something about the two that make me feel very comfortable and impressed at the same time.

And wouldn't it be nice to see young kids in the WH again???

[Coaster City]

42. This is what a real presidential couple should look like.

Wow after 6 years of watching Captain Codpiece and the Joker it is about time to see what a presidential couple should look like. How could anybody watch Edwards on Hardball and think that Bush is even comparable?

[w4rma]

52. Sen. Edwards is absolutely smart. I like him a lot. (nt)

[usregimechange]

58. What did he ask him?

[tblue37]

71. Clark/Edwards would be a great ticket.

I adore Gore, but the media would never let him get by. They would destroy him just to cover up for what they did to him last time.

My ideal ticket, if we could have it, which I don't think we can, would be Gore/Clark.

[Carolina Voice]

78. Sorry, but you've got it backwards

Edwards/Clark wouldn't be too bad. Not my first choice, but tolerable.

[FrenchieCat]

80. I don't think poster has it backwards, just because poster sees it

differently from how you see it.

I like Clark/Anyone....and I don't have it backwards far as I am concerned...

But I respect your right to have it as you feel it should be......to you.

[Carolina Voice]

83. Thanks for the respect.

I think Edwards would make the best President, but I think Clark has lots of abilities too.

[Superman Returns]

73. hey!!!!

when does this re-air? what time? thanks!!!

[machka]

79. Video may be available on MSNBC

Check the Hardball website.

Barring that - Hardball re-broadcasts at 3am EST - set your VCR. It's worth it. ;-)

[liberalpragmatist]

81. I hope Elizabeth is doing well

I do hope her health is solid. She's lost a lot of weight, probably due to the chemo and cancer treatment.

They both sounded great.

Edwards sounds really liberated out of office, somewhat like Al Gore.

[Carolina Voice]

85. They have reported that Elizabeth is doing great

I'm sure the weight loss was due to a lot of effort on her part. Those whom I've seen who have taken chemo have gained weight or been more bloated or whatever. They have indicated that she is doing fine now, thankfully.

[oasis]

87. Elizabeth Edwards is already a winner. She's won my heart.

:toast::loveya::toast:

[wiggs]

88. Remember Matthews spinning after the VP debate...

...couldn't believe how well Cheney did...that he "came loaded for bear and found squirrel" against Edwards. It was disgusting false propaganda at its worst and that was the last time I watched him on TV. Edwards did very well, at least as well as Cheney who lied his ass off. I wrote the network and told them of my shock and amazement and that I wouldn't tune in again.

Matthews is an irresponsible and immoral commentator, and only slightly better than Hannity and Rush, IMO. That he occasionally appears even-handed makes him even more dangerous.

[DemDogs]

92. MSNBC focus group for Edwards

Decisive I remember. Even before Cheney's lies exposed. So it is bizarre that Matthews would read it the other way.
But he seems clearly to respect Edwards now.

[thatsrightimirish]

90. Yes he cartainly did

And props to Elizabeth for not punching Chris in the face. What a great first couple they will be!

[question everything]

94. I can't wait for him to declare his candidacy so that I can

support him, again.