What do they get if they tear everything apart? I've been here for

[BR_Parkway]

about 5 years now, try to contribute where I can and have read some wonderful analysis written by some very thoughtful and articulate DUer's. I'm hoping someone can put this into simple enough terms, because I know that if I can't figure it out, then getting the naysayers on board is going to be impossible.

The world today is reading like a bad fiction novel - we've gone beyond incompetence at every level and position of government to where I think that things are being deliberately destroyed.

But I can't figure out how they profit from it. If they ignite the ME and cause an energy crisis, world markets collapse. If they finish outsourcing all the jobs, then no one in the US can afford to buy any of the products that are made by the companies they invest in. If joblessness and our incredibly huge deficit makes it impossible to spend for more wars and weapons, how does the military/industrial complex make their money?

We can all see the coming destruction - and for those who doubt it, go back and read most of the DU posts about what the results of invading Iraq would be (they look alot like the headlines of today)

But once it's all destroyed, their stocks are worthless - their oil leases not worth the paper they're written on as Suads and Iranians are throwing bombs back and forth.

[Warren Stupidity]

1. They are doing just fine.

War is hugely profitable. The global elites do not care at all about the United States, they care about wealth and power and they are truly internationalists.

What is their plan? I think they have concluded that there is no good solution (for them) for peak oil and global warming other than a huge die off, and they are preparing for exactly that.

[Tansy_Gold]

5. Exactly

What one has to understand up front is that THEY DO NOT CARE about anything except their own comfort, pleasure, power, wealth. There isn't even enough caring in them to care about the world their own children and grandchildren will inherit. Look at how differently those children behave compared to, say, Chelsea Clinton. THEY DO NOT CARE.

Many of their supporters -- that 15% or so that is hard-core fundamentalist christian -- are eagerly anticipating the end of the world as we know it. This is marvelous for them. Oh, sure, there are a few who moan and gnash their teeth (Rev. Barnes) at their trials and tribulations, but they have to set that aside and wait for the rapture that is surely, surely on its way.

And many of the rest of the citizenry is still in the denial stage of the disease. Most people can't believe it's "this bad" yet. They still have faith in the functioning of government and international institutions; they still have faith in the logic that kept the earth in its orbit, spinning on its axis day after day after ordinary day.

We are the doomsayers, the Cassandras to whom no one will listen until, perhaps, it is too late. And we and our children and our grandchildren will go down in flames with the rest of them.

It's frightening, it really is, to think that otherwise "normal" people simply don't get it. Oh, I know what the poll numbers are. I know the little monkey has abysmal ratings. But who is taking up arms to get rid of him? No one. There's a march planned for 27 January, when much of this country will be in the grip of winter and the hell of post-holiday credit card bills, but do we really expect such a march to change the course of this government?

We cheered when the GOP went down in defeat last month, but has anything really, really changed? It's not like the British government, where all the power shifts after an election; the boyking and his masters are still in charge, the war rages on, the mistakes go unacknowledged, the lies go unchallenged, the money keeps flowing down the ratholes -- #1 being the war, and #2 being the pockets of those who profit from the war.

I do not know how to effect the monumental changes that need to be made if this planet is to survive the assault of the neocons. But I do believe those changes must be made somehow. . . . and soon.


Tansy Gold

[lapfog_1]

2. See James Bond - Goldfinger - same plot., different precious material - n/t

[zanne]

3. I have the same questions.

Bush et al. have to have a reason for doing what they're doing, but even a good conspiracy theory doesn't answer the question for me. It makes me very nervous. It has to be part of a larger plan and I'm worried that it involves more countries in the mideast.

[KoKo]

4. They get "ultimate power," while the rest of us have Walmart. They get

World Organization who runs the world economy and can "manage" wages so that eventually the Third World wages will go up while ours go down and they meet somewhere in the middle. Goods and services are distributed with "Global Economy" in mind. While the "great thinkers" (Think Tanks) are the wise men who orchestrate the plans and the Businessmen and Industrialists are the ones who implement it.

I'm sure some of these people have a utopian vision that their Global Economy will bring prosperity around the world. What bothers me is that their vision of "utopia" isn't working out. Others are just evil....what else can one say.

If anyone had told me that the Bush Crime Family and the Conservative Think Tanks would get this far in their destruction of America without anyone stopping them I would have never believed it just six years ago, especially since the writing was on the wall with the Clinton impeachment and the stolen election of 2000. How could people not have been alarmed on Capitol Hill like many of us out here on the internets were? Those few on the Hill who were concerned were targeted and if they didn't change their tune, they were marginalized or driven out of office.

What's going on is serious and growing worse as we hope for change. The talk among Democrats is now that it will take decades to undo what's happened. That's pretty dismal. And we still have Democrats who tout "Free Trade," Globalized Markets and Wall Street runs wile and lies are still put out about how well our "economy" is doing when we know that the statistics are distorted for propaganda reasons to prop up this administration.

[BR_Parkway]

6. So how do we fix it? Besides cutting the corporations "personhood"

off at the knees?

[KoKo]

8. Well getting rid of "Corporate Personhood" would be a good first step...

but meanwhile we can put back in some of the safeguards we had that Lieberman and Chris Dodd took away that would have allowed the SEC to monitor Corporate Greed more closely. Clinton vetoed and both Dodd/Lieberman led the fight to overide his veto and pass. Then there's the NAFTA/CAFTA/GAT and now the Vietnamese trade deals. These could be scoured for Human Rights violations which would bring in unfair wages and trade deals plus "subsidies and foreign aid" that we throw into "sweeten the deals" with our trading partners.

There's lots we could do if we had a LEADER who would spell out what it is and run on it. The details would make sense if they were presented in a way folks could understand.

That's a few ideas...anyway.

[grasswire]

7. they buy assets for pennies

...and they privatize the aftermath, and they make money off the reconstruction. It's brilliant.