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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:00 PM
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."Stormtroopers came in with machine guns, rounded [the workers] into

http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tpmmuckraker.com%2Farchives%2F002139.php


......"Stormtroopers came in with machine guns, rounded into the cafeterias, separated identified citizens from non-citizens, and then they took away all green cards and put non-citizens onto buses," regardless of the immigrants' legal status, Jill Cashen of the United Food and Commercial Workers union (UCFW) told me this morning.

Cashen said that reports from all six states confirmed that legal immigrants were among those taken away, and have not been returned. "We're still trying to find out where the buses went," she said. "Children have been left at church day cares. Nobody knows where these people are."

Recently unsealed court documents show that DHS had identified 170 identity-fraud suspects it wished to apprehend, but that the agency wanted to round up as many as 5,000 other workers because it "further expect to apprehend persons who are engaged in large-scale identity theft<.>" Union officials say the total number of detained workers may be higher than 5,000. (Update: We've uploaded those court documents to our document collection here.)
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:02 PM
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1. And the real purpose of this raid was...?
Precedent? It sure doesn't smell legal.
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Lasthorseman Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:04 PM
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2. Ya, but far as I know
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:04 PM
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3. I really feel for the poor kids.
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 06:05 PM by Rosemary2205
I know too many kids who suffer because of a parent's illegal activities.

Edit - sorry, I realized I was implying ALL those detained are automatically guilty and I don't mean that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:06 PM
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4. yes,
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:08 PM
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5. What illegal activity? Being Hispanic in America?
From the RawStory website, it seems these people were rounded up by the government and disappeared, including legal immigrants. Someone posted earlier that citizens of Hispanic ancestry were collected, too.

I dare say that the person who called this "precedent" is right.

First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Muslim.
Next they came for the Hispanics, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Hispanic.
Next they came for...?
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:18 PM
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7. Well
if they were really coming for identity thieves then I'm glad. And if they weed out a few illegal immigrants then more power to them. Obviously this was handled very badly but I have no problem with the goal of rounding up identity thieves or illegal immigrants. And the media is on this like white on rice -- Equating that to Hitler's camps is a mistake IMHO.
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:01 PM
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12. Me neither
"I have no problem with the goal of rounding up identity thieves or illegal immigrants."

Me neither. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:30 PM
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9. No, for having dark skin
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2911645

I'm guessing you can be deported if you spend to much time in the tanning booth?
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 12:24 PM by trumad

A troubling report from the DHS immigration raids yesterday, from the Salt Lake (Utah) Tribune. In this case, DHS agents allegedly separated workers by their skin color -- light-skinned were considered citizens, dark-skinned got scrutiny.

Predicatably, they swept up at least one dark-skinned U.S. citizen up with immigrant workers:

If only for a few minutes, Maria felt like an ''illegal alien'' in her homeland - the United States of America.

She thought she was going on break from her job at the Swift & Co. meat processing plant here on Tuesday, but instead she and others were forced to stand in a line by U.S. immigration agents. Non-Latinos and people with lighter skin were plucked out of line and given blue bracelets.

The rest, mostly Latinos with brown skin, waited until they were ''cleared'' or arrested by ''la migra,'' the popular name in Spanish for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), employees said.

''I was in the line because of the color of my skin,'' she said, her voice shaking. ''They're discriminating against me. I'm from the United States, and I didn't even get a blue bracelet.'' . . .

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:16 PM
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6. Jeepers....
you suppose Haliburton completed a few of those "concentration camps" we tinfoilers were foolishly worried about.Hmmm, even took the legal immigrants and disappeared them. My Country tis of Thee......Sing it!!!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:30 PM
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8. "Nobody knows where these people are."
This is horrifying. Where are those detention centers that were posted about earlier?
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:39 PM
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10. Could we have more misinformation here?
"Nobody knows where these people are"...

Really, nobody knows? That's strange, given that it (in Colorado at least) it was announced over loudspeakers during the raid, and local spanish language radio stations have been providing this information.

Just to help clear this up; for those arrested in Colorado, they are being held at the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Detention Center in Aurora. Family members may check on the status of those arrested by calling 866-341-3858.

In Colorado, 1,217 people are being held on immigration charges, 65 are being held on other criminal charges.

There, does that help?


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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 06:48 PM
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11. Thank you.
Funny too...here in Arizona the facts are pretty clear too...and we don't even have any Swift plants in the state! Imagine that.

If only more DU'ers bothered to check facts before posting....
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