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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:48 PM
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Will the blue states remain blue?
Does anyone see any of the "Kerry states" flipping to the GOP in 2008? I sure don't. If the Dems take all those states plus, say, Ohio (which has turned a dark shade of blue), they get the White House.

It's early. But, after two more years of GW Bush at the helm, I just don't see the Republicans gaining a lot of fresh support.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:51 PM
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1. I think Hillary could lose some blue states against a strong GOPer
For example, WI and MN are not sure things for Dems.
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:57 PM
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4. I think that we basically firewalled all of our states in the last election.
Looking at the trends, the only states that are not firewalled are Nevada, Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and Ohio (Whoever win the most votes WILL win these states). It would take 53% of the vote for the dems to tak Virginia or Florida and 53% of the vote for the GOP to take Minnesota or Wisconsin (In Wisconsin, the national electorate shifted by 3000000 votes to the right and yet Wisconsin shifted 20000 votes to the left)...and with Doyle getting handily re-elected and Dr.Keagan getting elected, I think this assumption is about right. I could be wrong about Minnesota, where the RNC is being held.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:18 PM
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8. Minnesota would not switch. Wisconsin likely wouldn't either.
Minnesota is more blue than people realize. Republican governors are elected only after fighting 2-3 strong left candidates and even then it's often close.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 05:13 AM
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17. Not only that but Minnesota is the state with the strongest Green Party
If progressives were united under the DFL, Pawlenty probably wouldn't be in office.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:16 PM
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14. Add Pennsylvania and Michigan to that list if HRC is the nominee.
Pssstt... hunters.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 05:14 AM
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18. I honestly don't see how she could do worse than Kerry, who took Peensylvania and Michigan
Clark is also very in favor of gun control.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:35 AM
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20. A Clinton election might be the first ever to go 50 to 0.
(Against)
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 09:47 AM
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24. Hello?
LOTS of people H-A-T-E her.
They would vote for McCain or Guiliani
over Clinton.

She would do MUCH worse than Kerry here in Michigan.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 10:37 AM
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25. Kerry also took NH.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:52 PM
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2. I can see some of the former red states
who turned blue in 2006 staying blue in '08--Arkansas, for one.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 07:56 PM
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3. Depends on who the nominee is. I could see Gore or John Edwards
making inroads in Tennessee, Ohio, Missouri, Arizona.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:16 PM
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15. Gore - not Edwards.
Sorry.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:37 AM
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21. Why not Edwards?
n/t
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:01 PM
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5. All our states seems pretty secure
In 2006 Republicans did not perform well in most blue states, so I don't think they will be picking up any.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:04 PM
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6. It also depends on what happens in the mean time in congress.
I think Dems should stay focused on the mandate they were given regarding new direction in Iraq, and be careful to look like the don't betray that mandate by backing some stupid Iraq plan like a draft or anything that could increase casualties. Also, wedge issues like immigration and gay marriage should be avoided as much as possible, or Dems should back sensible moderate steps in these diretions that are not likely to piss moderates off. If they stay cautious and sane, I think a Dem prez is a given.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 12:00 AM
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16. Jobs and the economy may also be big in 2008,
especially in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Big-time free traders may be a tough sell in those states for either party.

If the dollar tanks and oil prices go up, the economy could be a big factor everywhere.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:39 AM
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22. There's no "may" about it
It's an enormous issue and will continue to be so so long as jobs keep getting exported.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:12 PM
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26. I wonder to what extent Sen. Clinton will be tarred with the policies
of her husband--support for NAFTA and MFN for China as well as her own votes.

Edwards may strike a chord on these issues, of course, if he actually has a plan to deal with the problems.

Obama can say what he wants about NAFTA and MFN-China, but I don't recall his vote on CAFTA.

If Schumer and his group actually get their tariff on Chinese products as the result of the artificially low yuan, it will be interesting to see who joins up.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:08 PM
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7. Rudy would lose NY to Hillary
Based on latest poll, and my own "on the ground" observation. New York would stay Blue. Plus, this would be the best case scenario. Anybody other than Rudy? No way, Jose. Not even close.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:07 PM
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9. Thanks, was wondering about that.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:13 PM
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11. Sienna College actually just conducted a 2008 Rudy vs Hillary poll
Hillary was up by like 15
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:09 PM
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10. It depends on the candidate... McCain could easily win
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 09:10 PM by nickshepDEM
New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. A few others would be in play.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:37 PM
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12. McCain wouls be competetive in several battleground states
possibly including MI.

He would definetely make PA, WI, NM, NH, OH, and IA competetive.

But in my opinion, they have an uphill climb with almost any other candidate. For all the hype surrounding Giuliani, I think he has some exploitable skeletons and will eventually come unhinged. There's a reason that NYC simply got sick of him near the end (even after 9/11). BRownback is a lunatic, and that dipshit ex-governor of Mass comes off really arrogant.

Plus, they'll have Iraq hanging over them.

But giving Hillary the nomination, makes '08 a lot easier for them.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:43 AM
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23. Once people start scrutinizing McCain
he won't look near as clean, especially with all of his overtures lately to the lunatic fringe of the GOP. And you are dead on about Giuliani, he is not near as strong a candidate as people think.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:00 PM
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13. Illinois is 41% registered Dem now. It isn't going anywhere. n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:55 AM
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19. Virginia, Ohio, Florida, and New Mexico are definitely flip-able.
And maybe CO, Nevada, and Iowa, among others.

50 state strategy baby!
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