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cranston36 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:04 PM
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Rosie O'Donnell
The other day Rosie O’Donnell made a joke on ‘The View’ about what a newscaster in China might say about Danny Devito’s appearance on the show.
She caricatured a Chinese newscaster and New York City Councilman John Liu, who is apparently more attached to his Chinese race than his American citizenship was offended by it.
First of all I wonder if John Liu watches ‘The View’ regularly. If he does I have to comment that most of us are at work when the show is on. Additionally if a middle aged man is recording ‘The View’ and watching it in the evening (it is primarily targeted for women) then there are some other questions I would ask – but they are not pertinent to this issue.
At issue is John Liu’s response. It seems out of proportion to the comic antics of the comedian on television. Is there more behind his frustration than he is revealing?
I was offended more by his remarks than by Rosie O’Donnell’s comedic routine.
Because I was offended I wrote an email to John Liu and do you know what he did? His official New York City Council web site added me, without prompts or asking me, to his online group. Here is what he sent me :
"LiuNewYork@gmail.com has added you to the JohnLiuNYCCouncil group with this message:
Welcome to the Office of Council Member John C. Liu.
Thank you for contacting us and joining our network of
friends and citizen activists. This email list is designed
to help you stay updated on the latest news and activities
at City Hall. Together we can create a better New York!"
It would seem that John Liu has used remarks by a television comedian to further his own political career.
I am a New Yorker. I was born and raised there. I lived in Elmhurst, New York, which, at the time I was growing up there, was the most ethnically diverse neighborhood in the United States of America. At one point I believe it was boasted that at least one citizen from every nation on earth lived there.
So when I tell you that I think that John Liu’s position and remarks are offensive to me you are getting a broad view and not some racist attitude, as I feel, John Liu has displayed openly and brazenly.
Humor is a powerful tool. John Liu would like to take it away from us. It is my opinion that you are either American or you are not. A hyphen does not an American make, no matter how many people vote for you.
At this time Communist China is ravaging the American economy. Men like John Liu are apparently not comfortable with the truth. Many Americans have lost their jobs, been forced out of their homes and have lost forever there hopes of achieving the American dream. But in New York thousands of illegal immigrants from China continue to arrive and continue to take jobs there. Jobs that should attract out-of-work rural Americans from North Carolina to California are being turned over to illegal immigrants who accept slave wages.
Here in Michigan illegal Chinese immigrants on their way to Chicago and New York sweatshops cross the Detroit River by boat regularly.
John Liu hasn’t said anything meaningful about that horrible practice as far as I can tell.
To continue, however, as I know that New York City cannot stop this national tragedy (even though it should stop encouraging it) I have to say that John Liu’s remarks offend me on several other levels as well.
Right after the World Trade Center was destroyed (by legal immigrants from Saudi Arabia) the national attitude toward New York softened. Prior to that it was hardening into a hatred that is hard to explain to a New Yorker, let alone someone like John Liu.
It is best summed up by the Pace Picante sauce commercial – where cowboys denigrate and attack another cowboy for using sauce made in New York City.
It may seem a minor point but it demonstrates the attitude that New Yorkers receive when they leave the city. I know. I have seen it from Seattle to Texas to New England to the South. As I mentioned, after 9/11, it softened as America pulled together, but lately it has been reverting. Remarks like those made by John Liu invite ridicule of New York.
The negative attitude towards New York includes viewing it as weak and whiny. Certainly John Liu’s comments can be seen in that light.
It also presents to the rest of America a united front against them – for example – here is John Liu – a member of one of the most populous races on earth taking umbrage at a joke that was language and not race oriented. The overtones and undertones of his remarks and behavior are onerous. Describing his remarks to American citizens not living in New York brings a scowl of derision not for Rosie O’Donnell but against John Liu and ultimately the city itself which is viewed as being out of touch with America and reality in general.
I have to ask – doesn’t John Liu have any important work to do or is the New York City Council a bunch of do-nothing hecklers?
The crime rate is still spectacular – is it not?
The problem of waste disposal is still looming – is it not?
Illegal immigration remains a major industry – does it not?
Lack of opportunity for native youth still nags – does it not?
The Hudson River is still an ecological mess – is it not?
Air quality remains foul – does it not?
Unemployment remains a problem – does it not?
Drug dealers and drug use still gouge the city – do they not?
Competition from West Coast cities continue to drag the economy – does it not?
I have to say that I find the inclusion of Chinese characters on street signs and at subway stops to be offensive and I request that the New York City Council immediately remove the symbols from public signs. It is offensive that immigrants from China, many illegal, do not have the courage and tenacity to learn English in the nation that they forced themselves into.
I also believe that referring to an area in downtown Manhattan as ‘China Town’ in travel brochures and city literature is offensive and outdated. I believe it should stop immediately. Chinese restaurants and stores in the City of New York should compete equally with their American counterparts without exploiting their racist bigotry.
John Liu has embarrassed the New York City Council, New York City itself and the millions of citizens who live there without inciting racial hatred or bitterness towards other through jealousy and ignorance.


As for offensive behavior of Chinese customs I need only bring to your attention to the official office opening ceremony of Cotton Incorporated’s office in Communist China when Americans were forced to witness and participate in a ceremony that involved a one-eyed dragon which remains on guard at the office entrance to this day.
Additionally take note of the ‘Chinese Naming Ceremony’ used for panda births in Atlanta, Georgia and San Diego, California. Steeped in superstition and Communist propaganda the zoos had to comply with the official Chinese Communist ceremonies in order to register the birth of the pandas with the repressive and murderous government in Peking.
In the face of these bizarre activities, the fact that Communist Chinese troops recently arrived in Pakistan I take issue with Mr. Liu’s racist comments.

John Liu’s behavior and the manner in which such a low-level government official could gain national attention is just another reason for New York City to be broken up.
It is too large to govern properly. It is flooded with corruption, crime and politicians eager for attention rather than able to perform their simple duties.
As for the New York City Council - their focus appears diffuse to say the least. To give an example of their wandering interests take a look at suggested ‘General Issues’ that you can contact Christine Quinn about at her website :
http://www.nyccouncil.info/rightnow/contactspkr.cfm
1. Animal Care
2. Child Care
3. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender
4. Nightlife Safety
5. Waterfront
I wonder if 4 and 5 don’t rightly belong with number 3.
Do you think that Mr. Liu’s behavior should be allowed to continue without his being reigned in - or does his Chinese-ness provide some magical protection to him from the rule of law, common sense and common courtesy?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:10 PM
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1. hmmm so as a Chinese man he cannot comment on an offensive remark?
If he was offended - he was offended.

I hadn't heard of him until you mentioned it so you're helping feed his need for attention.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:15 PM
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2. I saw it and found it very offensive
If a puke had done this you'd be going berserk. Rosie should apologize and try to be more sensitive next time.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:25 PM
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4. That's true about if a repub had said this - the reaction would be different
She should just admit it was a bit too much and be done with it.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:03 AM
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12. Yeah, if a repub had said it
Yeah, if a repub had said it Fox News would be on 24/7 complaining about the War on English and Rush would be bloviating about the Yellow Peril.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 06:10 PM
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7. Does it make any difference
that Rosie is not an elected official and not a news reporter or even a political pundit. She's a comedian (using the term loosely) and just going for a laugh. She was not even making fun of Chinese people, but rather that the Danny DeVito thing had gotten way too much press. If comedians and TV personalities can't make jokes, then this isn't the United States I want to live in.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 01:28 PM
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14. So want Michael Richards said is ok, since he is a comedian and not elected?
Are you sure this is where you want to go?
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:26 AM
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13. She did apologize last week.
That part always gets lost in the condemnation of her.
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:22 PM
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3. Not actually related to your post
but I received a lovely Christmas card from my niece. I always check the back of any card, this one an American Greetings - Made in China.
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Johnny Noshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:02 PM
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9. Okay
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 07:03 PM by Johnny Noshoes
that's it folks its over - now they even make the damn Xmas cards in China.

Jesus is coming. Look busy!


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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:26 PM
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5. Have these people seen IMUS on MSNBC?
Prepare for more than the Rosie incident.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 06:07 PM
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6. She wasn't ridiculing anybody
She was commenting on how stupid it is that the DeVito story has been blown all out of proportion and imagining it being played in China. This is so clearly different than the bullying ridicule by the right wing and it's really dangerous to mix it all in one pot. I don't know who John Liu is, but if he's got time to be offended by this, then perhaps he needs to consider all the truly offensive things that he must have ignored.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 06:11 PM
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8. Well, why didn't she lampoon the story being played in Zimbabwe...
and go "blackface" on us. After all, no one would be offended by it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:54 PM
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11. But she didn't
She did what she did and she wasn't mocking or ridiculing anybody when she did it. Intent does matter.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 01:29 PM
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15. She's a comedian, so apparantly blackface would be fine. n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:52 PM
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18. She's a comedian?
That's news to me. I didn't know she was supposed to be funny.
But then, I'm pretty clueless about her appeal, in general.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:35 PM
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10. Rosie did apologize
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=2727198&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

"On Thursday's show, she told the audience: "To say ching chong to someone is very offensive, and some Asian people have told me it's as bad as the n-word. Which I was like, `Really? I didn't know that.'""

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:06 PM
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17. `Really? I didn't know that.'
What a fucking idiot.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:04 PM
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16. Rosie is not easy on the eyes and ears

Her harsh, monotone voice and that cold, unpleasant stare of hers makes me want to jump out of a window. What an obnoxious pig she is.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 01:04 AM
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19. rosie
I've followed Rosie's career since the 80's and she started off as a very tough/blue comedian, then she became the "queen of nice" on her own talk show and the general American public saw her as this very nice person.

But the reality is, that she is a very harsh person, with a harsh personality from a difficult childhood. So a lot of the public is seeing the real tough Rosie for the first time on the View. The Rosie from the talk show wouldn't have made that joke, but the View Rosie is more racy and blunt.

I am a chinese-american and you have to develop a thick skin when it comes to racist remarks and although what she said wasn't the most offensive thing i've heard, its not very mature thing to say. Every time that someone has said "ching chong" its been as a put down and a demeaning remark.

Now I know Rosie is a comedian and its difficult for comedians to apologize because after all, there job is to make fun of people, I just think she needs to apologize fully to those offended and be done with the situation. This is really not something that needs to be dragged on or stone-walled.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 03:29 AM
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21. Welcome to DU!
And thank you so much for your great writing and personal input. I have no idea what it's like for any big comedian to be faced with the conflict of: sign on to $$$$$$ gigs and go "pretend-nicey-nicey" or, keep the small $ gigs and be your own unrestrained, naturally obnoxious self.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 03:08 AM
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20. Why posted at www.stltoday.com?
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 07:15 AM
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22. PC'ness run amuck!
I saw the "offensive" clip of Rosie imitating a Chinese newsman. All she did was pretend to speak faux Chinese with exaggerated mannerisms. Yesterday I watched the comedy show "Who's Line Is It" and they were doing a skit in faux German with Nazi mannerisms. I've not heard of any German's making complaints about that.

Rosie isn't an elected official. She's not a newscaster or journalist. She's an entertainer. It's way past time to get the PC Chip off of our collective shoulders and just decide it's okay to laugh at ourselves once in a while.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 10:11 PM
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23. nazi
Edited on Mon Dec-18-06 10:34 PM by jcrew2001
Actually the German govt is very anti-Nazi and there are laws banning Nazi and racism. They take it very seriously over there. I think its okay to make fun of Nazis because they were the most despicable, vile, and murderous people on this earth.

Most comedians say offensive things, so it doesn't surprise me that Rosie said it. She's no longer the "queen of nice", she doesn't hold back anymore.

But the view isn't some late-night comic show. Its a "family show" and although her remarks may be obscure, did she really believe that saying "ching chong" directly to a chinese person would be viewed as a good thing. I can asure you that its not a "funny joke" at all.

All she has to say is that she made an offensive joke and apologize for it. There was no point in dragging it out, except for her own ego. If she wants to tell un-PC jokes, she should get a show on HBO or Showtime.

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As for the first comment about John Liu and Chinatown. There are various reasons for Chinatown in NYC, first its a popular tourist destination for both Asians, residents, and non-NYC tourists. NYC is the most diverse city in the US and it embraces that diversity, its not un-American to do so. The bilingual street signs is a way to capture that Chinatown quality both for residents and for the tourist industry.

I actually did my senior thesis on Chinese-American political activism and Liu is the only elected chinese-american official. So he's the only person to speak out about this.

Rosie is TV personality and she needs to be better than that. She is a Role Model and if she makes a bad offensive remark, she needs to own up to it, apologize and tell others that her ignorance led to those remarks. There are many things people are ignorant about and its how a person overcomes that ignorance and teaches others that truly matters.

As for the communist China economy, thats a cheap shot at Liu. He has nothing to do with US/China trade relations. That stuff falls on Congress and the POTUS. Its totally unfair to say that any American doesn't value American jobs over overseas jobs.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 10:16 PM
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24. Rosie's joke wasn't offensive
Every day in BET we see black comedians mocking White, Chinese or Hispanics, and the way their talk, or how Hispanic supposedly eat tacos all the time.
And Hispanic comedians mocking Muslims, and other combinations of comedians of different backgrounds mocking the behavior of people of different nationalities.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 10:28 PM
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25. BET
Rosie can go on BET if she wants, but that kind of talk doesn't work on ABC daytime television.

Maybe Barbara Walters can book those BET comedians for the view - I'm sure that will work out great!
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talk hard Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 04:55 AM
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26. Political correctness to the extreme.
I think the negative reaction was overboard, but she apologized anyway. It should be no big deal now.
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