Newsweek Poll: Hillary beats both McCain and Guiliani...

[SaveElmer]

7a/b. Suppose you HAD TO CHOOSE between Hillary Clinton, the Democrat,
and John McCain, the Republican. Who would you vote for? OTHER/UNDECIDED, RESPONDENTS WERE ASKED] As of TODAY, do you LEAN
more toward Clinton, the Democrat; or McCain, the Republican?

BASED ON REGISTERED VOTERS

Total Clinton Total McCain Undec./Other
Current Total 50 43 7 =100

Republicans 11 82 7 =100
Democrats 83 14 3 =100
Independents 45 45 10 =100

8a/b. Suppose you HAD TO CHOOSE between Hillary Clinton, the Democrat,
and Rudy Giuliani, the Republican. Who would you vote for? OTHER/UNDECIDED, RESPONDENTS WERE ASKED] As of TODAY, do you LEAN
more toward Clinton, the Democrat; or Giuliani, the Republican?

BASED ON REGISTERED VOTERS

Total Clinton Total Giuliani Undec./Other
Current Total 48 47 5 =100

Republicans 12 83 5 =100
Democrats 80 19 1 =100
Independents 41 50 9 =100

I apologize if this was posted before...been away for a couple days...didn't see a previous one



http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/12-17-2006/0004492582&EDATE

[longship]

1. Yawn!

Totally irrelevant and useless information.
To say nothing of meaningless.

[blm]

2. Remember early 1999 when Elizabeth Dole was a 10 pt favorite over Al Gore?

Yeah......those were the days...the days when I realized early polls were full of shit.

[SaveElmer]

3. Polls are a snapshot of current sentiment...

Just as these polls don't guarantee a Clinton victory, polls showing her with high unpopularity ratings are also changeable...

But...as of right now, Hillary Clinton is the front runner. Underestimating her would be a serious mistake by those within the party that oppose her...

Which as a strong Hillary supporter...would be fine by me!

[blm]

4. I don't underestimate her. I just think early polls reflect the type of media attention

a lawmaker gets whether it be positive or negative in its cumulative effect.

[SaveElmer]

5. Yeah I don't think you would underestimate her...

I've seen enough of your posts to see that...but there are many here that will deny to their dying day that Hillary has any actual strength in the party.

[longship]

6. Strength in the party?

How about strength with the people?

I'll unequivocally support Hillary if she gets the nod. But what difference does strength in the party make when the only party caucus for the nomination is in Iowa and Hillary might not even participate?

I'm one of the folks who are worried about Hillary's negatives. Her support might be on top now, but that support might be a bit soft. I really do not think that she's the best candidate we have. Of course, we're a year from the beginning of the campaign and everything can change by then.

I am taking a firm wait-and-see attitude towards 2008. I just can't get excited about this right now with the 110th Congress beginning within a month. 2008 just isn't on my radar screen.

Hillary and Obama are on top of these useless, meaningless polls now and neither has actually declared their candidacy. I'd put odds that by next December one or the other of them will have declared that they will *not* be running in 2008. In other words, we just don't have sufficient facts to make any definitive decision right now. We all have our favorites, but we should probably focus on other, more important things right now.

[TwilightZone]

7. Gee, for some reason, this post isn't getting as much attention as the "Hillary can't win!!!!" posts

Hillary's in the bottom half of my list as far as the primaries go, but I find it interesting that the anti-Hillary mob has no problem finding the threads with polls where she gets beat by Rudy or McCain or Edwards or whomever and declaring her candidacy irrelevant, but this one gets largely ignored.

Hmm.

[agincourt]

8. About time she polled ahead,

of those two turds.

[Realist2008]

9. hehe

i hope you don't believe that.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi Realist2008!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[election_2004]

10. Wow, isn't it ironic....

...how the Hillaristas always say that "polls don't matter" when polls show their gal with high unfavorable ratings...yet, whenever polls come out showing her beating potential Republican opponents, they use that as "evidence" of their queen's viability.

Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

[SaveElmer]

13. Any posts you could point too...

Illustrating this?

[election_2004]

16. No, because I actually have a life...

...and don't spend my days bookmarking everything everyone says in every thread.

But I'm sure it will come up again and be said again by some overzealous Hillary supporter...and when it does, I'll definitely remind everyone.

[SaveElmer]

19. So you don't...

Got it...

And of course you won't mind when I admonish the over zealous Hillary opponents for burying their heads in the sand whenever a pro-Hillary poll comes out!

[k_jerome]

20. LOL. great tactic. nt.

[Mass]

11. Interestingly, Newsweek forgot to report that in their Hillary/Obama article.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/011620.php

[Kahuna]

12. This is great news! Hopefully, the repukes will kick McCain to the curb

now, and get desperate enough to nominate Rudy or Newt. :popcorn:

[oasis]

14. I can't wait until the Clinton Machine really gets going.(n/t)

:woohoo:

[pwb]

15. Clinton will be president and obama vice president in 2009

McCain is old and a kiss ass Giuliani is not a national player. new york did not really like him that much before 911. hell 87% of us loved bush after 911. republicans are very weak for many years to come.

[flpoljunkie]

17. Perhaps this tell us more about McCain and Giuliani than it does about Clinton.

[SaveElmer]

24. Probably a bit of both...

Exposes the notion that 45% of the country won't vote for Hillary under any circumstances to be false...and shows her to be stronger than many here believed...

Also shows McCain is not the juggernaut eveyone believes perhaps, and 2008 is likely shaping up to be a Democratic year!!

[k_jerome]

18. HRC rocks. nt.

[AtomicKitten]

21. this should put the fear of god into the Republics

[IndianaGreen]

22. This is nothing but an ABR (Anybody But Republican) poll

and is not indicative of how Hillary would perform in the unlikely event she were to become the Democratic nominee.

[SaveElmer]

23. Of course it is...

:crazy:

[Clarkie1]

26. You are correct...see the recent CNN poll in another thread. nt

[Clarkie1]

25. So does Gore, a far superior choice. nt

[SaveElmer]

27. Gore would be a fine President...but he is...

An inferior campaigner...

Hillary has both qualities IMO...

A note of clarification, a Gore McCain matchup was not polled by Newsweek...only by CNN...

[fuzzyball]

28. The Clinton Juggernaut is just getting started...

I am now throwing my support behind HRC since
Sen Bayh has pulled out of the race.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Then be prepared to be disappointed.

There are many of us who believe that HRC is NOT a person of integrity.
I compromised my true principles and voted for Clinton and Gore instead of the Green Party candidates in 1996 and 2000. Not again! You could hold a loaded handgun to my head and I would tell you to pull the trigger, i.e., there's no way in hell many of us Liberal Democrats will vote for HRC.

I know that many moderate democrats believe that you don't need us liberal (freaks), but you are wrong. I hope and pray that you won't have to learn this lesson the hard way. :shrug:

[flpoljunkie]

30. NOT. BACKING. HILLARY.

I'm with Molly Ivins!

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=20250

Molly Ivins

01.20.06

Not. Backing. Hillary.
Equivocation in Democratic party has gone on far too long -- time for real leadership

AUSTIN, Texas — I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president. Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

<>What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

<>Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm serious as a stroke about this — that is the only reform that will work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.

<>Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight, we'll find someone who can.