Nancy Jacobson, wife of Hillary's pollster, Mark Penn...joins the Hillary campaign also.

[madfloridian]

From Hotline blog:

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/12/nancy_jacobson.html

Nancy Jacobson Joins Team HRC

The architect of Sen. Evan Bayh’s presidential finance team, Nancy Jacobson, has found another buyer.

She’s joining the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton as a senior adviser and will work hand-in-hand with Clinton’s nat’l finance director, Jonathan Mantz. Jacobson’s deputy for Bayh, Stefanie Freeman, will become Clinton’s deputy finance director.

Jacobson is one the Democratic Party’s top fundraisers and relationship cultivators. She is a former finance director of the DNC. Two years ago, Bayh tasked her with building a self-sustaining fundraising organization that would allow him to opt-out of the federal public financing system. She focused on finding new, upper middle class Democrats who became active in the party after the Clintons had left office. She recruited young entrepreneurs who appreciated Bayh’s tax-cutting resume as an Indiana governor.

Jacobson is married to Mark Penn, Clinton’s chief pollster. For years, there had been an informal firewall between the couple's private and professional lives. No longer.

Penn's company is active in polling throughout the world, and they were in Venezuela when Chavez won. Their poll was saying the contest was only 6 points apart near the end...and it was way way off.

Mark Penn's analysis of why Gore lost....looking back at 2000 in light of Penn's Venezuela polling.

Penn is the one who famously said this back 2000...and it stuck then. But now we know this bunch better, and we know more about Al Gore. Penn was very wrong.

Instead of running as a New Economy Democrat, Al Gore used an old-style populism that reduced his appeal rather than expanded it.

But at least Nancy J. is a fellow Democrat married to a Democrat. I am more comfortable with that than with Carville's marital situation....and it has already been made clear he will be with her campaign in some way..officially or unofficially.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/775

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[IndianaGreen]

2. "Hillary Mongo Scum"?

ROTFLMAO

:rofl:

The OP tells you everything you needed to know:

She focused on finding new, upper middle class Democrats who became active in the party after the Clintons had left office. She recruited young entrepreneurs who appreciated Bayh’s tax-cutting resume as an Indiana governor.

We are neither upper middle class nor entrepreneurs. No wonder Hillary and her DLC cohorts do not speak for the working class.

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[madfloridian]

4. : )

;-)

[k_jerome]

5. Did Hillary steal your boyfriend in high school? jeezum crow, you are obsessed. ha.

this incessant bashing just makes me feel better about her candidacy. Like the Dean supporters who became Clark supporters who became Kerry supporters, who bashed Kerry afterwards. LMAO.

[madfloridian]

6. How did I bash her? I like to analyze who works for candidates.

I think it makes good sense.

It frankly does concern me that Carville and Begala and Penn are still with her. I see nothing wrong with that concern.

Good Lord, there is bashing all over DU, and this is one of the least "bashing-type" threads there is.

:shrug:

[k_jerome]

7. sure, analyze away. you certainly have the right and, apparently, the motivation.

incidentally, read the responses you have on this thread, except the ones that were deleted.

[madfloridian]

10. Now be fair, please. We all should do that.

We all need to analyze why we got where we are. Like why is a pollster for Hillary's campaign giving out weird polling stuff down in other countries. Why did Carville do what he did after a highly successful election, just as we were all feeling good about it?

Dean was not claiming credit for himself, so it wasn't like he was hogging attention. He was on TV crediting the DSCC and DCCC, and pow here comes Carville.

I think if we want our country back, we have to think this stuff through.

[k_jerome]

11. the mongo comment or the one that amused you that was deleted? nt.

[madfloridian]

12. The one that I responded to was simply being silly...

saying they were fussing at me before you guys did. I just gave a smiley.

Wow, I sure better be cautious.

[k_jerome]

13. so, why do comments like Mongo make its way into your...

analytical thread?

[madfloridian]

14. I have no idea.

I don't even know what Mongo means, I don't even know what you ate talking about.

I feel very bad that a post got deleted because someone joked I would be attacked. It was not mean-spirited, and I don't understand.

I don't know what you mean about Mongo... I really don't.

If you think I am doing something wrong...then you have options. I think I was fair.

[IndianaGreen]

16. Mongo is the home planet of the evil Emperor Ming

in the Flash Gordon serials.


Max von Sydow as Emperor Ming
in Flash Gordon (1980)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_the_Merciless

[k_jerome]

17. read post #2. someone found it entertaining. nt.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Is Hillary banning laughter as she is trying to do video games?

On the day the Iraq Study Group issued its much awaited report, Hillary found it more important to hold a press conference with Joe Lieberman about violent video games.

Something about her priorites that is truly disturbing.

[k_jerome]

23. whom do you support? nt.

[IndianaGreen]

26. I am neither upper middle class nor an entrepreneur

so that puts me outside the Hillary camp.

[k_jerome]

27. whom do you support? nt.

[IndianaGreen]

30. Anybody But Hillary!

In alphabetical order, and assuming they run:

Clark, Edwards, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Unnamed anti-Hillary Democrat.

[madfloridian]

15. So I must watch what I say so I won't get responses...

that you don't like?

I have had to watch what I say for 6 years now even around my family. Too many Democrats are also "watching what they say."

I am responsible for what I post...others are responsible for their posts.

[k_jerome]

18. no, say what you want. you got the responses you were...

looking for.

[madfloridian]

21. Well, to be fair....I usually don't get many responses at all.

:shrug:

I just posted about Kissinger signing on with McCain. I keep an eye out for stuff like that because I think it matters.

I don't know about the first post, I guess I missed it. But the 2nd one deleted was just sort of teasing me before I got attacked.

And I did, didn't I?

Doesn't it concern you that our country has Carville and Penn and Greenberg all messing around in other countries' elections? AND at the same time working for the frontrunner?

It bothers me a lot.

[k_jerome]

25. who is your candidate of choice, so that I may not bash them. nt.

[madfloridian]

28. I don't have a candidate of choice at all.

I am very open-minded about 08.

I have a couple I don't especially like, but I have no favorite.

I am concerned about how we got into a war like this. I am concerned how one of the greatest countries the world has seen could be killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, committing torture.

I am concerned that my party has too long been quiet about it all. Most are speaking out more now that it has turned into hell on earth there in Iraq, but they should have spoken out much sooner and much more loudly.

I am concerned because those who do speak out get marginalized by their own party and by the media. I am concerned that consultants go on TV after a wildly successful election and say the DNC chairman should be fired. Then those same people have a private dinner with the frontrunner a week or so later.

[k_jerome]

29. very convenient. nt.

[karynnj]

31. Thank you for posting both of these

they are interesting and as you say the type of information worth knowing. In fact, this is probably the most significant article this month on 2008. It is far more real than polls or threads making or denying cases for candidates to run.

In addition to who her husband is, she appears to be a pretty high powered person herself. The other piece of information here is very important. She put together the effort to raise money for Bayh - who, I think had over $10 million in his Senate account - which put him with Clinton and Kerry as having the most money.

After Warner left, the story was that the other candidates were on the phone to get top people working for him. This is obviously the case for the Bayh people too. The most clearly successful thing Bayh did was to raise money - and this is the woman behind that effort. Getting her is a major plus for Hillary in expanding her own fundraising and simultaneously preventing her from going to anyone else.

Much has been said of how much money will be needed even to make it through Iowa, NH, Nevada and SC. Many people speculated about may not run due to lack of money. An interesting observation is that 2 of the people with the most resources behind them, Warner and Bayh, have opted out. Kerry, the other person with money has clearly been pushed to not run - by the "Hey John" attack that attacked his strength in working for 2006 and in the opportunistic way some Democrats decided to kick him while he fought back on the joke debacle. I hope he stands his ground - as he always has in the past.

The question is who will have adequate funding to make a good run in 2008? How long can Gore wait? Can Edwards or Obama? The primaries should be fought on where Democrats stand on issues - not who can get the most corporate money. This makes me want to post Kerry's comments when "Clean Elections" was re-introduced - we may be reaching the point he feared where we are a "moneytocrity"

[madfloridian]

32. You are right on nearly all things you mentioned.

It is like a big machine that we know is coming, there may be no choice, really.

[karynnj]

33. Thanks

and thanks again for posting the article. It is mystifying that you are getting the flack that you are.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Any critical look at Hillary, her campaign team, or her campaign tactics

is considered "bashing."

Doesn't this remind you of how Karl Rove managed Bush's campaign. Any criticism of Bush was treated as treason and Bush's advocates would go nuclear on any little thing.

I think there has been some Rovian osmosis in the Carville home.

[k_jerome]

9. yeah, the replies and your amusement at them, one in particular...

show how this is just another crap thread.

[Cha]

35. You bring out some facts and

ol' hillary supporter there thinks it's "bashing". LMAO.

[AtomicKitten]

22. Here's how it goes.

When they do it, it's not bashing.

When similar is done to their candidate although they will swear they don't have one, you will know who when they complain and call it bashing.

Yep, that's pretty much how it goes, oh, other than the game we play here pretending it's any different.

Any questions?

[k_jerome]

24. its seems to be the same bunch. nt

[Bjorn Against]

19. Mark Penn was with Lieberman last time.

The guy is more of a hack than he is a pollster, everything he does is about trying to spin for the DLC. Real pollsters look for facts unvarnished by spin, Penn likes to try to spin the numbers in ways that help the DLC.

[madfloridian]

34. I had forgotten he was with Lieberman. A link of interest...

I ran across this interesting link from December 05

http://www.planetarymovement.org/2005/12/20/desperate-the-dlc-pleads-for-lieberman-and-the-politics-of-election-losing/

"Al From, the spark plug at the center of the DLC, has just issued an extraordinary statement on Senator Joe Lieberman, who is under fire for his collaboration with the neoconservatives in the Bush-Cheney White House. From reveals his admiration for the neoconservative Democrat, stating that Lieberman places his country ahead of his party. This seems like an awkward way of stating the blatantly obvious: Lieberman is a Republican mole, and he really ought to change parties. So, too, should From and his ilk.

The second article linked below is co-authored by From and Mark Penn of the deeply conservative polling firm, Penn & Schoen. It should be needless to state that the two men plead for the Democrats to move to the right to attack the Republicans, who have moved too far the right. This is the sort of pretzel logic that has led the Democratic Party to defeat after defeat and has even led to the snatching of defeat from the jaws of certain victory on numerous occasions."