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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 05:40 PM
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Fallujah....comments by Dahr Jamail. Heartbreaking.
We can't do this stuff anymore. We just can not. It is out of the realm of our moral values as a country.

Making Fallujah a Model City


Another example of the winning of hearts and minds of Iraqis is being formulated for the residents of Fallujah. The military has announced the plans it is considering to use for allowing Fallujans back into their city. They will set up “processing centers” on the outskirts of the city and compile a database of peoples’ identities by using DNA testing and retina scans. Residents will then receive a badge which identifies them with their home address, which they must wear at all times.

Buses will ferry them into their city, as cars will be banned since the military fears the use of them by suicide bombers. Another idea being kicked around is to require the men to work for pay in military-style battalions where these “work brigades” will reconstruct buildings and the water system, depending on the men’s skills.

There will also be “rubble-clearing” platoons.

The intent of the US commanders and Iraqi leaders is to make Fallujah a “model city.”

I wonder if they’ll try this in Baghdad. The goal of crushing the resistance and creating stability by destroying Fallujah has gone so well that resistance fighters here roamed freely about Haifa street today hunting for Iraqis collaborating with US forces.


Pictures from Fallujah, and more on the killing there. The pictures are graphic, so avoid the link there if that bothers you.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/iraq_dispatches/000155.php

December 09, 2004
Fallujah Pictures
Two weeks ago someone was allowed into Fallujah by the military to help bury bodies. They were allowed to take photographs of 75 bodies, in order to show pictures to relatives so that they might be identified before they were buried. These pictures are from a book of photos. They are being circulated publicly around small villages near Fallujah where many refugees are staying.

The man who took them was only allowed to take photos and bury bodies in one small area of Fallujah. He was not allowed to visit anywhere else. Keep in mind there are at least 1,925 other bodies that were not allowed to be seen.

..."Speaking on condition of anonymity, he told of what he saw in his village during the last few weeks.

“The Americans shot every boat on the river because people were trying to escape Fallujah by the river. They shot all the sheep, any animal people owned was shot. Helicopters shot all the animals and anything that moved in all the villages surrounding Fallujah during the fighting.”

He said that none of the roads into Fallujah, or around Fallujah were passable because anyone on them was shot. “I know one family that were all killed. There are no signs on these roads that tell people not to use them-so people don’t know they aren’t supposed to use them. No signs in English or Arabic!”


I posted more by Dahr Jamail, and more about things we have done there in Iraq.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/800
“Do not kill a woman, a child or an old man. Do not cut a tree”.

It's heartbreaking.




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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 05:45 PM
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1. What do you mean by "we can't do this stuff anymore"
Edited on Thu Dec-21-06 05:46 PM by brentspeak
It's not the troops who are blowing Iraqi shoppers up by the dozen. And quoting an anonymous "source" from a blogger's site does not convince me that troops are guilty of what you're accusing them of.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 05:47 PM
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2. Wow.
Just wow. If you think who I quoted is questionable tell AAR and others who interviewed him. I heard him this week on Randi's show, I think.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 05:50 PM
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3. Is there a reason why you're posting two-year-old blog entries...
...from a blogger who (allegedly) quoted an anonymous source? Only an absolute idiot and an absolute twit would believe this story on the basis of that blog post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 05:53 PM
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4. Then you may call me "absolute idiot" and "absolute twit"....
Is there a safe topic you guys will not object to my posting about?

Let me know.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 05:56 PM
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5. And clear with the mods if I used a discredited source.
In fact I would like for you to do that. I don't like people trying to discredit me or my posts.

Please contact them. I consider Dahr Jamail credible. If you don't then contact the mods and let's talk.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 06:19 PM
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6. I just did a search on him at Google News and a web search as well.
I would like for you to do the same, and I would like you to either apologize for questioning the source or prove me wrong.

I detest being treated like I am ignorant, and a whole bunch of you do it.

I see nothing but good about him. So search, then get back to me.

Some you never discuss you just call names, and it needs to stop if we are going to save our country.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 06:24 PM
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7. dry run for the future of amerika
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