Trippi Warns Against Release of Dean List

[displacedtexan]

Edited to clarify my opening question.

In my opinion, Trippi seems to be questioning Dean's status as a Democrat (dem party player).
I fear that Dean will have to stop campaigning in order to answer this stupid question: Are you a Democrat?

I'm sure that Dean benefited from state and county Dem contact lists during his VT elections, including this one (sold to all dem candidates usually at ridiculously low prices).

This is how the process works, Joe. If this is just your personal opinion, you're hurting Dean!

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Trippi Warns Against Release of Dean List
AP


By ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO - If Howard Dean (news - web sites) ends his presidential bid, his former campaign manager has a piece of advice: think twice about giving the Democratic Party the e-mail addresses of supporters.

snip

Dean, if he were to drop out, would face the same question as Jesse Jackson, Ross Perot (news - web sites) and Ralph Nader (news - web sites) after their failed presidential bids: what to do with an enormous list of supporters, many of them dissatisfied with politics as usual.

Trippi suggested Dean might write supporters on behalf of the Democratic nominee to urge support, but he advised against turning over the e-mail addresses.


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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=ap/dean_trippi

[MercutioATC]

1. I agree with Trippi. I signed onto Dean's campaign, not any other.

...and I don't need to be spammed by some politician I don't care about.

[Walt Starr]

4. I'm with you, something like that would make me less likely

to vote for the nominee in November.

I'm teetering on the edge of a razor as it is in dissatisfaction over the Democratic Party. Spamming me because the Democratic Party demanded the list would put me over the edge.

[formernaderite]

41. Absolutely...Do Not Release List!

I'm mortified at the thought.

[shance]

31. I agree Mercutio, and with Trippi. This list is Deans list - enough said.

n/t

[Anwen]

33. Yep.

I agree with that too. :)

I don't understand the big deal here?

[Mass_Liberal]

2. I have no idea

I hope that us Deanies turn into hardcore dems to move the democratic party, and this country, back to the left where it belongs.

[krkaufman]

3. Unless disclaimer was made..

Unless a disclaimer was posted by Dean/Trippi when they were collecting the email addresses, warning of possible future sharing of the addresses, they may not be able to legally share them. Ethically, they probably shouldn't share them, either.

[CWebster]

5. If the Democratic party who sought to dispose of Dean

thinks they can appeal for charity from me, they better think twice. They will rue the day they sought to elicit my response.

[polpilot]

19. Same here.

Dean '04...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

6. "Is Dean a Democrat?"

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[displacedtexan]

8. Democrats don't withhold general election support.

Personally, I hope Dean does the right thing for the party, but Trippi is suggesting that Dean withhold vital support in the party's attempt to rid the country of this Bush* plague.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

11. Your question is inflammatory.

[displacedtexan]

14. I'm sorry. I'm just really confused about this situation.

Trippi seems to be insinuating that Dean is somehow separate from Dem Party protocol. If I can still edit, I will.
Thanks!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

18. I still don't see where you get the question

from the article. Trippi's not asking it.
You're the one asking it, and of a man who
brought the Democratic Party back from
the dead. Still, thanks for hearing my protest.

[Eloriel]

37. The Dem Party had NO PART in the building of that list

None whatsoever. It belongs to Dean -- and by god, Dean had BETTER not hand it over to ANYone, most of all the DNC or even Kerry.

[Sly Kal]

Democratic Party Protocol

I don't think democratic party protocol includes candidates conspiring together with party leadership to shut one candidate out because he theatens their little fifedom. Why should the rules only apply to Dean?

[LuminousX]

22. Vital Support? My email address I gave to Dean was for Dean's use

not Kerry's. Dean doesn't have the right to turn it over to the nominee. If the nominee wants to send a message to all the Dean supporters, they can clear it through Dean's offices and Dean can forward it on to us. If I want to be contacted directly, I can take the 30 seconds and sign up with the nominee.

[ithacan]

7. releasing email addresses would be wrong

the most Dean should do is send out an email with info on how to get onto the Dem's overall email list.

Releasing all email addresses to the DNC would be seen, rightly I think, as a betrayal of trust.

Dean supporters will decide on their own who to support. If they are going to support other candidates, it'll happen. If not, they won't.

Getting spammed from the DNC will be counterproductive and actually probably piss people off.

(By the way, while I am sympathetic to Dean, I have not decided who I'll support in the NY primaries. But I'll vote and support whoever is the Democratic nominee.)

[NashVegas]

12. Agreed

If it's true that Dean was the choice of savvy net users, it should be noted that we're a group that has a thing about unsolicited email. It would be a mistake.

If the other Dems want to get us on their mailing lists, they should work to have us come to them ...

[Justice]

9. How Did Dean Campaign Get My Email Then?

I just started receiving emails from the Dean campaign - I never signed up, never contributed money. I suspect the Dean supporter list includes emails from lists that Dean bought from other sources, in addition to any people who signed up specifically from Dean.

Does Dean buy lists, but won't sell/give lists?

[cosmicdot]

16. been receiving emails for a long time now

I thought it might have been shared by moveon.com

seems I recall the emails began about the time moveon.com was having a candidate poll

[LuminousX]

24. You are correct, Move On shared the email addresses

and people voting in the primary were clearly notified of such a thing and were given the option to opt out.

[sandnsea]

39. Dean bought the addresses

Let's make that clear. When I signed up at Moveon.org I was never informed that my email address would be sold to a campaign.

[Eloriel]

38. Perhaps because he respects his supporters?

At least he'd BETTER respect us enough not to do that IF he's not the nominee (which is by no means a certainty at this early date).

[w4rma]

10. Trippi is correct, IMHO. This is an issue that should be handled with care

I'd like to see more Dean Democrats become rank-and-file Democrats. I think that it is imperitive that the campaigns who ran a smear campaign against us (specifically the Kerry campaign) need to start treating Dean folks with respect if they want our help.

displacedtexan, you aren't seting a good example, here, for Kerry, etc. to follow, IMHO.

[Renew Deal]

13. Trippi got paid $7.2 million for that piece of wisdom.

[Duder]

25. Got a link - $7.2 million?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=302808

[LizW]

15. I don't care if he releases my e-mail

I've already told the DNC caller why I would not be contributing during the primary season. The caller told me that the DNC supported all the Democratic primary candidates equally. I said, "That is absolutely not true."

I'll be glad to tell the Kerry campaign why I will not be contributing.

[mrgorth]

20. Same here

I hope they call.

"I will not send $1 to John Kerry because of his votes for the war, the Patriot Act and NCLB."

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. I'm already on several lists

including DNC, Kerry, Gephardt, and my favorite, Dean. So I guess they have my address. And if I get stuff from them or any other Democratic candidate, it's easy to choose whether to read it or delete it (or throw it away if it is snail mail).

[LuminousX]

21. Trippi is correct

If Dean hands over my info to Kerry, I will feel as though a shiv has been placed into my back by a good friend.

If I had made my donations and entreaties to the Democratic Party, than by golly, yes, the nominee is entitled to it. But my relationship was with Dean and Dean alone.

[ibegurpard]

23. Oh, I REALLY, REALLY hope some other campaign gets my contact

info. One in particular. I have a few choice words that I would like to share with them.

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. If the Democratic party emails me I'll block their asses

I will NEVER support the party that has betrayed and tried to destroy my candidate. They can go fuck themselves for all I care.

[MercutioATC]

28. Amen

[ps1074]

27. You're missing the most important thing in the article

First, let me say that Dean have no moral right to give these email addresses to the DNC. IMHO

Second - quote from the article 'He recently bought several Internet domain names under the moniker "Change for America" but is undecided what to do with them.'

CHANGEFORAMERICA.COM
CHANGEFORAMERICA.NET
CHANGEFORAMERICA.ORG

are all registered by Trippi. Don't you think it will be a better idea if this turn into a new movement trying to take back America? Like fundraising and volunteering for close senate and congressional races? Imagine what a difference can $50.000 and 200 volunteers can make in a close race... IMHO 'The Dean Campaign' is not dead and is not going to die soon. It can turn into something much bigger than this dispute over 600.000 email addresses. Damn, you can buy 2 million emails for $1000 these days...

[Ficus]

29. of course not

who actually cares about leftward change here, it's all about Howard Dean.

[TheStateChief]

30. I don't know how useful Dean's list would be to Kerry or anyone else

Since a sizeable portion gravitated to Dean in the first place BECAUSE of people like Kerry. Although I do think Trippi is making more out of this then he should - if you don't constantly manage mailing lists (especially e-mail lists) they become very stale, very quickly and, consequently, not worth a whole lot.

I'd be surprised if 20% of the people on the list now would still have the same valid e-mail addresses four years from now.

[nancyharris]

32. Fine print on the Dean For America Web Site

This is on other candidates sites as well:

In addition to the requirement to report contributions to the Federal Election Commission, we may, in accordance with Federal election law, exchange our contributor list with successor organizations, and with other like-minded Democratic candidates and organizations."

[dansolo]

34. "like-minded Democratic candidates and organizations"

That rules out Kerry and the DLC.

[candy331]

35. Does Trippi get to

use the Addresses i he goes ahead with his sites? Maybe he wants first dibs for himself. Just a thought.

[mikehiggins]

36. Hey! YooHoo! Over here! Don't forget Clark! eom

[Sly Kal]

46. I know of no other like minded organization

Clark perhaps?

[DFLforever]

40. Dean solved the Democratic party's hard money problem

and now, the party wants his donor list after torpedoing his nomination? LOL!


As a donor, I want his hard-earned list, won by speaking to the hearts and minds of Americans, kept to himself. Maybe save it for a future run, should the 2004 corporate candidate lose to Bush.

Many of his donors are or will become independents if Dean isn't nominated. Others like myself are supporting him because of our disgust with the Bush-enabling Dem party, particularly its Congressional members. Any Dean supporter who might later support John Kerry, will find their way to his web page.


I hope he does keep his list confidential. I don't have any more room in my trash for unwanted snail- or e-mail from the Democratic party. :puke:

edit: verb tense

[Redneck Socialist]

42. Dean should share those lists.

Yes, even with Kerry if we are so unfortunate to have him as the nominee. The idea is to beat bush remember?.

Keep in mind if you are a registered Democrat all the campaigns already have your name, address and most likely your phone number. All that information is public record. If you don't like the eventual nominee you are under no obligation to respond when that campaign contacts you.

[John_H]

43. Trippi probably wants to sell them himself via an infomercial

Seriously, If Dean were the nominee Trippi would be begging for Clark's list of swing voters, Kerry's donors, etc.

Trippi is a hypocrite.

[Sly Kal]

44. Trippi is right

Many of my fellow Dean supporters are not democrats. Many others are very angry at the party's treatment of Dean. I will decide myself what to do if Dean drops out. I don't want my e-mail address sold so I can be contacted by Kerry.

[bigtree]

45. Dean should take his marbles and go home if he loses?

That's why Trippi is on the outside looking in.

[corporatewhore]

47. I wouldnt want DK to give my addy to the dems i would recieve too much

spam that from acompany that would promsise me everything and would get ripped off by them