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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 04:57 PM
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Time gives full credit for Dem win to 4 people....Dean gives credit to the people of the party. .
I was really hit by the contrast here. It seems the DC insiders and the corporate media have shut out the party activists as to sharing credit. I guess that is pretty typical, and to be expected. But the contrast is amazing in the way they got and took credit, and the way Howard Dean did not. A little comparison.

First from Time:

The Winning Team: Reid, Schumer, Emanuel & Pelosi

How They Turned It Around in November

When NBC canceled The West Wing last January, Jay Leno quipped, "You know things are bad when even fictional Democrats aren't doing well." In less than a year, however, four Democratic leaders took the party from punch line to power, capturing both chambers of Congress in November's midterm elections. It was the biggest Washington upset since the Republican revolution of 1994. How did they do it? San Francisco's Nancy Pelosi, 66, who will become the first female Speaker of the House, kept the spotlight on G.O.P. ethics scandals and Iraq, not herself, neutralizing Republican charges of liberalism and national-security weakness. The former amateur boxer and Nevada centrist Harry Reid, 67, picked the right fights in the Senate, blocking the most controversial Bush appointees, while ducking many of the no-win national-security battles the Republicans launched.

Out in the country, it was Illinois Representative Rahm Emanuel, 48, and New York Senator Charles Schumer, 56, the field marshals for the House and Senate campaigns, who drove the Democratic victory, recruiting strong candidates and raising more than $300 million. Both showed cold-eyed skill: Schumer, long a backer of abortion rights, picked a pro-life candidate to take out Pennsylvania's Rick Santorum, the Senate's third-ranking Republican; Emanuel spent heavily against scandal-tainted incumbents, winning surprise victories in normally safe districts from California to New York. The most important thing all four did? As the Republicans reeled from policy failures and ethics scandals, the gang of four knew when to let them collapse on their own and when to give them a push. Keeping their own balance now will be harder, especially in a closely divided Senate. "We need to prove to the American people we are prepared to lead and ready to govern," says Pelosi.




Meanwhile, Dean had a meeting of the DNC, speakers who were winning candidates. He did not brag or take credit, just praised the ones who had worked so hard throughout the 50 states. This part of the blog post was especially profound in showing Dean's understanding that what he is doing will not win much approval from the Democrats in the story above. He is right.

Dean’s 50-State Love-Fest

Just a portion. An hour of the two hour meeting was carried on C-Span.

Finally, as the clock was about to strike 1 p.m. and the praise seemed
never-ending, an aide whispered in Mr. Dean’s ear that it was time to wrap
the meeting up. Mr. Dean concurred that it was time to pull the curtains on
the “love-fest of the 50-state strategy.”

“In this town, of course, you always want to get as much credit as you can,
but there wouldn’t be a 50-state strategy without the 50 states,” said Mr.
Dean, who offered his thanks to the armies of party loyalists who helped put
in place the strategy from Alaska to Alabama and every other state in
between.


With that, Mr. Dean walked through the halls of the hotel, a smell of pine
in the air as he passed nearly a dozen Christmas trees on display. Before
stepping into a black taxi cab, which was waiting beneath the hotel’s
portico, Mr. Dean paused to answer a reporter’s question.
After so much criticism and debate over the 50-state strategy, do you feel
vindicated?

“The best thing to do, instead of speaking about things like vindication is
just say: Look, we won. Everybody had a huge contribution to make –
including some of the participants in all the feuding that was going on
,”
Mr. Dean said. “We ought to take comfort in the fact that we all worked
hard, we all get some credit for it and we need to move ahead.”

...."Will his strategy be embraced now by Democratic leaders in Washington?
“That’s not high on my agenda,” Mr. Dean said before waving goodbye.



The main part about the Time article that bothers me....is that gives no credit to all who worked so hard throughout the country. The people who were on the ground were left out of the Time scenario.




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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:01 PM
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1. The guy who worked the hardest never gets the credit.
I learned this working for a large companies for 40 years.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:07 PM
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2. TIME is a Repo-propagandist publication..
their words prey on the petty minded. Thus giving them credence to again dupe the American people into discussing erstwhile topics of no redeeming value.

As Howard Dean said, when reporters continued to probe.."WE WON! Let's MOVE ON!"
He knows the game and refuses to fall prey to the pettiness..



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 09:28 PM
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29. Yep going back to Clair Booth Luce and Henry Luce ....Time has been
in Repugs Pocket.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:09 PM
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3. More like Maccaca, Jon Stewart, Cindy Sheehan and the "nutroots."
Edited on Wed Dec-27-06 05:12 PM by Dr Fate
If it were not for those types, most folks would still be buying the DLC/GOP/media bullshit that everything in Iraq is just fine and that Bush didnt lie us into a war.

Time also swore up & down that Saddam had WMDs and connex to 9/11 as well- they lie a lot- what is new?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:18 PM
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4. Dean rebuilding party infrastructures in states where they'd been collapsed since mid90s
made a huge difference. The states were more PREPARED to handle the turnaround towards the Dems. Had they not been in better shape, many of those Dem votes would have been suppressed or stolen, yet again.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:07 PM
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8. I agree- I was just giving some non-politicians some of the credit. n/t
n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:36 PM
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21. I was merely adding to your post, oh wise and exalted one.
heh.....
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:05 PM
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28. LOL! No- that is you, Sugar!!! n/t
n/t
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:06 PM
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32. Where does this "mid90s" meme come from?

I've read that many times here on DU. Yet, I remember reading from the DNC that this is the FIRST time the DNC has ever had permanently staffed offices in all 50 states. Not the first time since the mid 90s, but the first time EVER.

Furthermore, I remember walking by RNC headquarters in Indianapolis in 1984 while looking for a job and deciding to look for the DNC to apply. Unable to find them via the phone book, I went back to the RNC office and asked them. They chuckled (natch) then told me the DNC had no office in Indiana. I suppose they could have been lying to me, but I was never able to find the DNC in Indiana.


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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:21 PM
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6. Time has run out of time. It's obsolete. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:20 PM
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5. I guess that You thing should have been Them. nt
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:04 PM
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7. How about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove?
Their collective criminally-negligent mishandling of Iraq, their ludicrous foreign policy, and their systematic destruction of social programs didn't hurt.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:08 PM
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9. Time Magazine. Does anybody read that thing anymore?
I mean, anybody who isn't stuck in a waiting room somewhere?
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talk hard Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:09 PM
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10. The OP gives no credit to the others
Edited on Wed Dec-27-06 06:09 PM by talk hard
so I guess things balance out
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:15 PM
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11. The OP often gives full credit to all....talk hard just likes to blast OP
And frankly, after all this time..OP is getting a wee bit tired of the talk hard blasting unfairly.

I have often given credit. I will continue to do so....but many of the new ones who donate and work for the party now are not here because of the 4 Time mentioned.

I hereby officially give credit to Pelosi, Rahm, Chuck, and Harry. They did a great job and they deserve it.

I have always said that Dean did not even try to take credit before he got blasted by Carville's broadside. That is my point.

If you feel better picking apart everything I write, then help yourself. I am inured to such now. It does not touch me. It has been going on here since early 2003, and I just don't feel it anymore.

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talk hard Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:27 PM
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14. no you dont' give credit 2 others, you just pound em over & over
thanks for moving out of your comfort zone and giving em a shout out ---
lots of people deserve credit for the win

nice martyr act btw
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:29 PM
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16. You forgot "paranoid"...the martyr thingy is very old.
It dates back to 2003. Like worship and idolatry. Remember those?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:22 PM
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12. To make it clear, I give lots of credit to the four in the picture.
I just think a lot of others deserve some as well. Especially the people on the ground.

So don't jump in here and say I am not giving credit. I give credit to them freely. Those 4 had a difficult game to play with the Bush admin, but they needed voters and feet on the ground to get it done.

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:25 PM
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13. And Dean credited them. As he should. He is the DNC Chair. Time is not.
Do you expect Time magazine (of all publications) to run anything other than a puff piece on some highly visible Democratic players?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:27 PM
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15. Time isn't the DNC chair? How did I miss that?
Here come the ones who just wait and leap.

Welcome.

:hi:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:31 PM
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17. i have no idea, but you did.
again, i fail to see why i should be outraged that Time magazine, that bastion of honest journalism, wrote a puff piece on four nationally recognized Democrats. but go ahead and pretend that i didn't ask, if it makes your life easier.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:32 PM
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19. I fully completely understand, you know.
I am waiting for the next wave.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:34 PM
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20. what are you talking about?
is there more substance to the Time story than what you quoted? did they come out against local Democratic "pavement-pounders" who were out working local campaigns?


i really don't understand what issue you take with the article.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:44 PM
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22. There was a post in GD about this article, I just noticed it so I give credit.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:48 PM
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23. so is it that Time ignored activists, or that they ignored Howard Dean?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:56 PM
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24. Yes to both.
.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 07:07 PM
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26. ok then.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 06:31 PM
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18. Before others jump on me....I fully give credit to Rahm, Nancy, Harry, and Chuck
I just think the party activists should get some credit as well. Dean did that, I appreciated it, and wrote about it.

So to the buds who organize and jump on me...bring it on.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 07:04 PM
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25. So I guess you disagreed with Time Magazine before you agreed with them.
Maybe you could change your OP to "Madfloridian gives full credit for Dem win to 4 people" since you fully give credit to the same four people as Time does now. :evilgrin:
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stansnark Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 07:15 PM
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27. its always class warfare.
if you can't beat them co-opt them
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 11:07 PM
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30. Nancy Boyda, KS, spoke at the meeting mentioned above.
Her campaign fascinated me as I read about it. Wasn't she one of the ones who switched from Republican? Or did I just imagine I heard that.
Here is something from the blog comments at the NYT about her campaign...in response the blog I put in the OP.

"In this article Howard Dean mentions Nebraska and Idaho as states where President Bush was forced to spend his last weekend before 11/7, but let it be noted that Bush also felt compelled to visit Topeka, Kansas, on the Sunday evening of that same last weekend before flying back to the Crawford Ranch — to try to goose a flagging Jim Ryun over the finish line ahead of Nancy Boyda and her brilliant and lengthy issue-oriented newspaper inserts she called “Congressional Voter’s Guides.” It turns out that Dr. Dean’s 50-state strategy, combined with those three, monthly, 500,000-copy Voter’s Guides inserted into every newspaper in her District once a month in a weekend issue for the last three months, did the trick of making it Ryun’s Last Run. This combination would have produced the decade-long demise of Ryun WITH Bush cheer-leading (and Cheney’s) or WITHOUT Bush cheer-leading (and Cheney’s, who came to visit Kansas and Ryun the month before, but with his usual complete LACK of cheer!). Many thanks, Howard !!

— Posted by Owen de Long"

So Bush had to fly to KS as well. I remember when this meeting mentioned in the blog was on C-Span...Boyda said she ran because the 50 state plan was in place. So that is amazing. I was very impressed by her, as well as Tim Walz who spoke as well.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 03:13 PM
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31. GWU put together a good summary of the DNC meeting, Boyda, Walz, and Dean.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/photos06/photo120206.html



"Congresswoman-elect Nancy Boyda (D), who upset five-term Rep. Jim Ryan (R) in Kansas' 2nd CD, likewise praised the "50 State Strategy." Boyda ran what she described as "a fairly traditional campaign" in 2004. She said that "the DNC was on the ground since August 2005" and lauded their approach as, "Hey why don't you guys tell us what you need." She said she decided to run again because that organization was already in place.

Out of her 2004 experience Boyda has some harsh words for consultants. "People are looking for authenticity, not a cookie cutter type campaign," she said. She and her husband Steve wrote all the text for three multi-page newspaper inserts; during the course of the campaign a total of 800,000 copies were distributed through about 50 newspapers in the district. Boyda also noted that, "First of all, I refused to go negative."



December 2, 2006--"We need to be the party that represents all Americans," DNC chairman Howard Dean stated at the regular meeting of the DNC's Executive Committee. He said that one of the Republicans' biggest mistakes has been focusing on a narrow base."


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