Kucinich doesn't completely believe in the first amendment.

[LoZoccolo]

If he did, he wouldn't have voted for a partial constitutional nullification of it.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll234.xml

Apparently, there has to be limits to free speech!

[SaveElmer]

1. Uh oh....incoming!!!

:popcorn:

[LoZoccolo]

2. Then he flip-flopped.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll296.xml

[SaveElmer]

4. So he was for it before he was against it?...nt

[LoZoccolo]

5. Yes. Shredding the constitution is way worse than the IWR. n/t

[Unvanguard]

10. Um, no it isn't.

Compared to Iraq, flag desecration is a non-issue.

There were actual lives at stake in Iraq - hundreds of thousands of them.

[LoZoccolo]

14. Without the first amendment...

...you could be in jail for even saying the Iraq War was wrong.

[Unvanguard]

15. That's a false dichotomy.

A constitutional amendment against flag desecration does not destroy the other protections of the First Amendment.

[Critters2]

30. The IWR did shred the Consitution

The IWR gave the Executive branch powers reserved (by the Constitution) for the Legislative branch. The IWR violated the Constitution, which is why I won't support a candidate who voted for it. Let alone one who sponsored it.

[Eric J in MN]

9. Thanks, I didn't know he changed his mind about flag desecration.

It's great that he agrees with most of us on the issue now.

[renie408]

36. ROFL!! I thought the same damn thing!! n/t

[Hoosier Dem]

3. I like Dennis Kucinich, BUT...

I see his runs for the presidency as more of an ego thing. He has NO CHANCE. Last time, i think he got fewer delegates than Al Sharpton (another fun guy, but an ego candidate).

I really hope Dennis doesn't trun into the Democratic incarnation of harold Stassen.

[IndyOp]

17. Kucinich had 67 delegates at the convention in 2004. Sharpton got 27.

I am not interested in bashing Al Sharpton - I appreciate the fact that he ran in 2004. I do want to correct misinformation that I've seen posted a bunch of times. Kucinich got more delegates than Sharpton.

From Political Wire: Though Rep. Dennis Kucinich formally endorsed Sen. John Kerry and released his delegates, the Washington Post warns that Kucinich supporters remain a source of tension for the convention. "The liberal congressman from Ohio has fallen in line behind the party standard-bearer, but there's talk here that many of his 67 delegates will go off-message in a symbolic floor protest."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/07/27/kucinich_delegates_still_a_wildcard.html

It turned out that 43 wound up voting for him--decisions turned on the relationships of the delegates to their respective state parties.

Eridani posted the info above on a DU thread on 12/22/06, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3025099#3025926

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I do not think Kucinich' ego keeps him running - I believe his motives a very good - to speak out for us - those of us who see the insanity of war and want it stopped. There is a ton of good information at his website ( http://kucinich.us/ ) -- the one that has stood out for me most in the past few months is "Message from Qana" -> http://kucinich.us/node/119

[Hoosier Dem]

26. I apologize for my error...

I honestly did think that Al got more. I'm also not Al-bshing, as I really admire his courage in 2004 as being the ONLY Democrat at the convention to ignore kerry's "play nice" rule and take on Bush directly.

I'll never forget Sharpton speaking directly to Bush and castigating him for his record on minority issues.

[k_jerome]

6. didn't he flip flop on abortion as well? nt.

[SaveElmer]

7. Yes he did...

Right around the time of his 2004 run I think...

[k_jerome]

8. he is irrelevant. its the reason he is running. nt.

[Unvanguard]

11. "Didn't" might be more appropriate. n/t

[LWolf]

12. lol

:rofl:

Does anyone besides me notice the contradiction in, on one hand claiming he can never be elected because he's short, or because he's liberal, or because he's honest, or some other ridiculous rationalization, and with the other the fearful attacks? The obvious contortions to try to find smears and do some in-party "swiftboating." What's the matter? If he's so "unelectable," why not just "ignore" him like the rest of the party? Why so fearful? Shouldn't the attack dogs be saved for a real threat? :eyes:

[tabasco]

16. It's sad that people think so little of the people killed in Iraq.

That, in some weird attempt to score political points, they equate the IWR with a flag desecration amendment.

I am a huge opponent of any attack on the First Amendment, but the original post is a pretty disusting attempt to discredit Kucinich.

There are hundreds of thousands dead because of the Iraq war. Let's have the foresight to elect someone who was wise enough and courageous enough to forecast and act against this disaster.

[LWolf]

18. Well said. Agree. n/t

[SaveElmer]

25. What is disgusting...

Is that folks around here are unwilling to brook any negative comment about Dennis Kucinich's records, but are more than happy to distort the records of those they oppose.

Kucinich is an announced candidate for President, and subject to having his record examined

[leesa]

34. Some people WANT the wars in the ME...enough to support Holy Joe.

[LoZoccolo]

35. Who would that be?

Please explain.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Oh yeah baby, I'm shakin'

Even more so if he manages to get people to actually remember his name this time.

[cyclezealot]

13. I'd voted opposite of Dennis on this issue

I know in the past he has voted this way. Don't agree with it, but in the pletoria of issues; this is not that big an issue to us . I also don't think it abbogrates the First Amendment. His positions on trade and health care are far more significant. Cant deny Kucinich is a patriot, even in excess of what is necessary.

[GreenTea]

19. Yeah, like you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre....Sounds right to this liberal.

[SaveElmer]

20. So just to be clear...you are ok with a Flag Burning amendment...

Is that what you are saying?

[GreenTea]

21. I'm saying one can interpret exceptions the way one chooses...

It's called POLITICS! (Meaning people trying to trash someone any way they can).

[SaveElmer]

22. You said...

Banning flag burning was like banning yelling fire in a crowded movie theater...

Is that not what you meant?

[GreenTea]

23. I never mentioned flag burning...I mentioned exceptions.

I don't give a fuck about flag burning either way!!!

[SaveElmer]

24. Gotcha..nt

[bread_and_roses]

28. Right. It was either spineless or stupid. How many people did it kill?

Who says Kucinich is perfect? He does, however, seem far less bought and sold - by desire for either wealth or power - than many of the rest. How many anti-Labor/pro-Corporate votes does he have on his record? I ask the question sincerely; I don't know the answer.

[Gregory_Wonderwheel]

29. So who is the candidate whose votes you agree with 100%?

Come on. The question is who is person with the best ideas about where this country should be going? That's it. Period.

If you can find a candidate that votes the same as you on every single issue then more power to you, but to pick out one vote that you disagree with as the issue to use to crucify a candidate and then ignore your differences on the votes of your favorite candidate is just hypocrisy. If you have a candidate you support then let us know who it is so we can see that person's votes and see if you agree with all that candidate's votes as well.

At each stage of the process we can pick the candidate that is closest to our own truth. To choose by any other criteria, such as who is most electible, is only a phony political affectation that is ultimately anti-democratic because it only gives a false picture of what the people really believe. The vote should tell us what the American people believe, not what the American people want to bet on.
Turning the Wheel of Wonder

[Lydia Leftcoast]

31. Gee, you guys, for people who think that DK is insignificant and

has no chance and is too far out of the mainstream to garner votes, you sure spend a lot of time dumping on him. Some of you are downright obsessive about it.

If he's got no chance anyway, why are you so determined to bash him? Are you maybe the political kin to the local DFL poo-bah who stood up at my precinct caucus and told us that a presidential preference vote for anyone but Kerry was "wasted?"

[frankenforpres]

33. the reason people bash DK

is because they dont want him bringing up IWR during the debate. I think DK has no shot, but dont care if he is in the debates or not

[Zorra]

32. I hear Dennis once pissed on his neighbors azaleas when he was

9 years old! And there is a vicious rumor that he almost skipped school one day when he was a freshman in High School.
:eyes:
The corporatist opposition to DK here at DU is really getting ridiculous.