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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:13 PM
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Casual Friday for Saddam's hangmen: Two legacies in one image.


  This image shows two legacies. One of them may not be apparent. The obvious one is Saddam's legacy. He bequeaths to the world, albeit unintentionally, the image of his own execution. A grim punctuation mark but not necessarily an unsurprising one given his career. He was a cruel tyrant to his people.

  However, the less-apparent legacy is that of George Bush's Iraq which is symbolized by executioners dressed in street clothes. Four men, each in a coat, shirt and comfortable slacks. Reminiscent of "casual Fridays" in the office. None in uniform except the two military officials who briefly hover in the background, the only one without a ski mask has his face blurred to conceal his identity. Two telling things, I think, in that scene:

:bluebox: The military officials either have their face blurred or are wearing a black ski-mask like everyone else in the room. I can understand why the executioners might wear the ski-masks but why the officials? It seems to me like a kind of "insurance" against retribution once the government falls and things descend further into chaos. These are Iraqi military officials. They are soldiers. To blur the faces of military officals/soldiers present at an execution is to say, in some capacity, that the soldiers or officials do not want to be associated with the event. Which I find strange and, as I said before, telling.

:bluebox: The other "telling" thing is the dress of the executioners themselves. No uniforms: street clothes, ski masks as well. They likely look little different than the other executioners who roam Iraq who do not bother with the pretense of a court's, even an arguably kangaroo-court's, verdict. Outside of anyone's feelings about the death penalty, it would seem appropriate that deaths carried out by the state have some rind, at least, of formality. There doesn't appear to be any.

  And so, Saddam has been executed for his crimes. But it will not be missed, especially by viewers in Iraq, that when he was executed it had no more an air of officiality than one of the many street executions which already take place in that troubled country. It's like they found the first four guys who said they'd do it, gave them ski-masks, brought in the nervous Baghdad chief of police (or whomever) and his aid (who also got a ski-mask) and then quickly got it over with before anyone decided to chicken out and leave.

  I'm reminded of the execution of Nicolae Ceauşescu, leader of Communist Romania, who was captured with his fleeing wife after their government had fallen. Video of the execution (or at least parts of it) were widely circulated at the time and shown on U.S. TV. It was obviously a "rush job". They had been given a quick informal sentencing and executed soon after. The "trial", and this is not to say they were innocent of the crimes they were accused of, but the "trial" was a complete sham. They were then lined up against a wall, and variously singing and telling everyone to "Go to hell!" were riddled with submachine-gun fire.

  Even their executioners seemed to possess more conviction than what I see on the video.

  That we have been in Iraq, supposedly created a government (remember all those purple fingers?), etc. etc...is a joke when you see that this hugely symbolic act was, in fact, executed nervously, amateurishly, and with no formality associated with a government execution.

PB
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:24 PM
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1. I have seen some of the video...
While watching it, I felt something was wrong with the whole picture, but I could not put my finger on it.
You are absolutely correct, and stated it far better than I could.

Thank you for giving me "the finger". ;-)

Recommended.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:47 PM
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3. I know what you mean. I kept thinking "something doesn't look right".
  And then, internally, I thought "Well, what did you expect it would look like?"

  As I said before, the way this was carried out will not be missed on Iraqi viewers.

"Why does he have his face blurred? What is he afraid of? The hangmen look like they're on lunch break from the factory!" (etc., etc.)

PB
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:45 PM
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2. If they are so proud to be carrying out justice, if they are so confident
that what they are doing is the right thing, why do they hide themselves?

This to me, is the mark of a thief in the night. The sign of a guilty man who dares not to show his face. Not a government proud to be administering justice.

And I fear that this what we will be seeing in this country all to soon. "Justice" being dispensed by masked men in the night.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:58 PM
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4. I would Think
with all the political assassinations and political killings you would hide your face too. The insurgents target anyone working with the Americans, or Iraqi Government (same Thing).
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 04:09 PM
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7. Yes, I see. So these killers are same killers who roam the streets
killing Iraqi's.

Just another day at the office.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 04:38 PM
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8. Agreed. But when you're making what will be viewed again and...
...again in the country you hope to keep control over, you'd think they would have put about 15 minutes of forethought into it. For instance, there was a videographer there (albeit one who also appeared to be an amateur, panning around too much) and at least one photographer (there's at least one flash as someone in front of Saddam snaps a pic) and someone with a camera-phone (who took the pictures of his body as he was bagged).

  You'd just think they would have made it look a little more official. I mean, why even be present if you're going to have your face blurred out? The non-beret wearing guy in military dress also has a ski-mask on. He serves no purpose, just kind of walking around. How many people in that room were wearing ski-masks, outside of the five or so you could see?

  Someone in another thread mentioned last night how...white the guards looked and said it reminded them in some ways of the Nick Berg video. When the Nick Berg thing happened I wound up in some obscure forum on some website while I was researching it. Anyway, the forum wasn't particularly left or right, it was a bunch of video heads who did the most amazing job I've ever seen picking it apart, sometimes frame by frame, timestamps, snippets of audio, etc., and all. I don't think they were Arabs. I could be wrong, but from all the exposed white skin and from closeups of a very clearly Caucasian hand that comes into frame, it appears that there was something more going on. Especially Mr. Berg's seeming calmness. I think he was executed, though, I just don't think he knew that he was going to be.

  Anyway, the point of bringing that up is that pictures of this are going to wind up on at least one major news weekly, probably more. And the full video sequence will eventually come out. There are probably going to be lots of questions, lots of analysis, regardless of whether or not such analysis is actually warranted. It just seems like they're being so sloppy for carrying out a state execution of a notorious character...the level of amateurishness, itself, elicits a raised eyebrow just from watching it.

PB
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 04:41 PM
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9. You mean the true WAR CRIMINALS...
Unfortunately, our good soldiers are caught in the middle because of the WAR CRMINIALS who forced them to be there and preyed on the soldiers' noble desire to serve their country in this WAR CRIME of the bush* family and the repukes...
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:59 PM
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5. It's hardly even a functioning government
As for legitimacy, well, the jury is still out on that, too.

And yet they have the authority to hang Saddam, ahead of schedule, after a sloppy trial, murdered lawyers and two judges?

Someone wanted Saddam dead in a hurry. And it wasn't necessarily the Iraqi people.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 04:06 PM
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6. Excellent point. You don't normally see that at legitimate
executions.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 05:13 PM
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11. Not so much "legitimate" but "state" executions. I dare say that...
...the executions that Saddam carried out against his political opponents (those that weren't outright assassinations but set up so as to give the impression of "legitimacy") were probably all more official-looking than the one he got.

  Not that I'm saying Saddam deserved better. I'm saying the Iraqi government deserved better. The way it was carried out was pretty unconvincing from the standpoint of conveying the image of the Iraqi government as some unified, in-control, organization.

  I'm mildly amazed that no one seems to have realized that the images of the execution would be broadcast far and wide, but especially within the country itself where the consumers of same will wonder why the government's high executioners appear to be bank-tellers on lunch break instead of uniformed members of the state.

  You'd think they would have gotten some of the new (blue?) uniforms that the Iraqi police wear...hell, raid the Baghdad Disney Store and get some Keystone Cop uniforms- anything to present a more organized face for the government.

  When the best and only uniform a government can dole out for such a public execution is a ski-mask, citizens watching the video have no choice but to contemplate what that must mean for the less-visible workings of their government.

PB
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:36 PM
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13. It's more like a gang doing a lynching than a government-sanctioned
action.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 10:09 PM
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17. Agreed. And the whole world is going to watch that video and...
...think the same thing.

PB
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 05:08 PM
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10. very good point
reminds me of the hastiness and informality of the "handover of sovereignty."

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 05:15 PM
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12. The only "uniform" in that video is a black ski-mask. Strange message.
It is so curious how on one hand we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on this war and, as you pointed out, there are so many examples of notable, public, events all sharing the hallmark of appearing rushed or amateurish.

PB
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:29 PM
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14. I think everyone present should have been dressed in clown suits.
The whole thing was a F'ing circus, albeit a grotesque one.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:46 PM
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15. A question: Why were they wearing masks??
If Saddam was so hated, why woud they want to hide their faces? Would they not be received as heroes?? Why? My wife said they looked "white"? Could they have been "Blackwater"?
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:52 PM
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16. If you doing Bushit's dirty work...
...wouldn't you be wearing a mask too?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 10:26 PM
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18. I think you're onto something there. The key is, there is no claim...
...made that those hooded figures were Iraqi anything. I'm not saying they weren't (they kind of don't look like it from skin color but just because one is Arab doesn't mean they automatically have a dark complexion), but making a point that they were just referred to as "Saddam's Guards".

 Ok, so there's a guy in the back, on the staircase who's wearing a bullet-proof vest. For some reason, maybe it's the garb, he strikes me as non-Iraqi. For all I know, they could all be Blackwater.

In a way, it would kind of make sense:

With the level of divisiveness among Iraqis, could the Boosh Administration/Iraqi government actually trust that Iraqi guards would be beyond manipulation?

  So if they were Blackwater, or U.S. mercenaries of some sort it would make sense that they'd be wearing masks because the Iraqi people (and others, assuredly) would have lots of questions if Saddam is hung by an all-Caucasian cast of executioners. Questions like: "Why aren't our government's men carrying this out? Are they reluctant or afraid to do it themselves?"

Questions like that undermine the credibility of the Iraqi government both inside and outside Iraq.

Of course in the "fuller" video there's lots of chanting but that might have been part of an act(?)

PB
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