Does Sliming of Kerry by Innuendo & Character Slams Remind of Something?

[WiseMen]

It reminds me of how Al Gore was diminished by the republicans funneling ad hominen critique of Gore via "objective" "democratic" channels.

I have looked a 30 anti-Kerry posts and found that most of them make attack point not justified by the source, imply that perfectly good aspects of the senator's record are "BAD, or use directly or indirectly, blatantly RW source.

Many of the anti-Kerry posts are baseless innuendo about his character.

Criticism based on the issues are perfectly valid. But much of what is being put out from a certain campaign is beneath contempt.

Al Gore experienced it. The cost to the Party and to the world has been horrendous. That is why Gore pleaded for responsible campaigning:

". . we don't have the luxury of fighting among ourselves to the point where we seriously damage our ability to win on behalf of the American people this time around."

I think Al Gore would be sickened by what is going on here.

[ibegurpard]

1. Actually, it reminds me a little of the "discussions" of Dean

on this board a few months ago.

[Forkboy]

33. took the thoughts right out of my head

[edzontar]

45. It is exactly the same as the Dean-bashing

But with a new target.

To the extent that I have indulged in it, I am guilty.

the real danger, of course, comes from the Media whores.


But since turnabout is fair play, and Kerry's whle "case" was his supposed "electability," I say let the games begin.....and let's see if those claims were correct.

[JNelson6563]

52. They don't think it's so fun now

do they?

You know it is so interesting to see GD04 now. I come here less than I used to since I am pretty busy lately but the contrast is striking. I don't really bash Kerry and read few of the threads conceived as bashing but what I do see a lot of is Kerry supporters bemoaning the treatement of their candidate by non-supporters. To recall posts from the past from these same posters regarding Dean and see the pleas for mercy, insinuation non-supporters are no better than Freepers and demands for loyalty oaths, I can't help but shake my head, laugh and click outta here.

Too funny! :toast:

Julie

[edzontar]

58. You are so right! Actually the attacks on Dean were far worse

And MUCH more personal.

MOSt of the critique of Kerry centers on issues--IWR, Patriot, Gay marriage, etc.--and does seem to be propelled by personal animus.

In contrast, many of the Dean attacks were savage, brutal, and very personal character assasinations of the most scurrilous kind.

[JNelson6563]

63. don't forget the kool-aid!

Remember how we were all kool-aid drinking zombies? Ah yes, the good ol' days!

Good thing I have a high appreciation for irony.

Julie

[calimary]

76. The attacks on Dean were just ICKY. As a Dean supporter I just

hated it. I have my problems with Kerry, and I've certainly voiced them, but they're policy problems, regarding some stands he took and votes he cast. In fact, even knowing - AND accepting - that he might be the one to lead us out of this bush nightmare, I'm still struggling with some of it. But JEEZ!

I am still a Dean supporter and this latest crap against Kerry just sickens me. I've been down in the dumps about it since I first heard this latest Drudge sludge (busy all day, didn't check in for hours). It's just awful. We're supposed to be coming together here. We're supposed to unite behind a common objective - FLUSHING bush. If Kerry's to be the man leading the way, I'll be behind him. I just wish all the attacks would stop. Unless they're aimed at george bush. Then, I'd say "bring 'em on." I wish we could turn our full collective venom on other targets: bush, Drudge, Rove, Cheney, Rummy, Limbaugh, Hannity, Frist, DeLay, Hatch, Scalia, Gillespie, Baker, Perle, Rice, Wolfowitz, Libby, McClellan, Murdoch, O'Reilly, Hume, Ailes, etc. That's plenty enough of a rogue's gallery right there.

[waldenx]

2. nobody can criticize Kerry on the issues

because nobody knows what he believes in on any issue.

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. That is the mark of a skilled and shrewd politician

When you have 100 thread posts hotly debating whether he meant he is for or against X, based on statements like

"I think X, on its face, is not the same as what is sometimes considered X, which is to say that I definitely support the positioning of X before Y in the alphabet, but I believe those who oppose X have, so to speak, a point that while I might not, or you might not, agree, the question of supporting X is something that deserves a reasoned and informed debate, while my opponents evade the question, I prefer to look at the issue in a straightforward way, and my record shows that I did oppose Z, although few believed that I would, based on my previous straightforward statements on the subject."

[The Magistrate]

47. That Is True, My Friend

And it is skilled and shrewd politicians who can win national elections. It is always a matter of some amazement and amusement to me when people who consider themselves knowlegeable about political matters express shock and dismay that a candidate for office is a politician, who speaks and acts from political calculation. The thing is a trade like any other, and no one wants an amatuer plumber dealing with their sewage conduits, or an amatuer physician cracking their chest for a coronary by-pass. Yet somehow, we are to prize amatuer and unproffessional status in the trade of governance....

"If you don't vote for the right lizard, the wrong lizard might get in!"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[DuctapeFatwa]

57. I think there may be people who expect a change in policy

While most voters are sophisticated enough to know better, especially among young people, I think there may be some who will not be pleased to learn that swapping Debra Norville for Paula Zahn does not change the words on the teleprompter...

I am optimistic enough to believe that some will be disappointed to discover that the election is not about changing the policy, but about who will implement it.

[The Magistrate]

60. There Is Something To That, My Friend

But who implements policy is a quite important consideration. Allow me to commend to your attention the writings of Confucius, who focuses great attention on the matter. Even executing the same policy, a good man is much to be prefered to a bad one. Anyone who has had much interaction with the police, for example, will be able to testify to the difference in outcome between an encounter with a good-natured fellow begining his shift, and an encounter with a mean one who has put in eleven hours on the street already that night. Indeed, Sir, if the ruler is virtuous, it hardly matters what form the regime is cast in; there have even been some quite decent dictators in history, after all.

[DuctapeFatwa]

62. I think most oil and defense industry execs would agree with that

Crusade victims and their families may be less enthusiastic.

[The Magistrate]

65. We Will Always Have These Differences In Outlook, My Friend

What is it they say about England and the U.S.: two countries divided by a common language?

In that particular sphere, Sir, the Wesy is going to have the oil, one way or another. The economic activity upon which we all depend is not going to run on wind and sun anytime soon, certainly not before the oil runs out....

[DuctapeFatwa]

66. And it is clear that the voters will pay any price to secure America's oil

and bring to heel the troublesome natives in America's properties around the globe.

It is with grateful gladness that they send their sons to seize someone else's son, and "interrogate" him, with awe and humility surrender their jobs, their rights, their very Constitution, no sacrifice is too great when the prize is the privilege of knowing that America's energy and population reduction industries are enjoying greater wealth than ever before.

bush's failure is that he just doesn't make it sound appetizing.

Kerry indeed has that magic way with words.

[The Magistrate]

67. Well, Sir

It is possible to have both the oil and the jobs, and the Constitution into the bargain. That is the difference in who executes policy mentioned above in action. It ought to prove sufficient for a majority of the voters....

"I have heard nothing against him except that he is a human being; that ought to be enough to hang any man."

[DuctapeFatwa]

68. I have to agree that few care what atrocities are committed in their name

if they themselves have comfortable lives.

And jobs there will be. And for a few, jobs that will sustain comfortable lives.

I don't think it is realistic to suppose that Kerry will hamper the free market, however, where the value of a day's labor has now fallen below the value of a day's survival, and those who expect him to do it will be in for the same disappointment who expect his election to herald an age of fewer deaths.

On the positive side, his talents and skills will convince many of the New Poor that prosperity is just around the corner, and that in their own way, they too are heroes in this very different kind of war.

[The Magistrate]

69. Ping And Pong, My Friend

The lives of most people in this country tend to be a bit better under a Democratic administration than a Republican one. That is sufficient for me. You know my expectations are low....

[DuctapeFatwa]

70. May I respectfully suggest you lower them a little more?

While it is true that forty years ago, there was some flirtation and toe-dipping by Democratic administrations, that did improve the lives of some people in the US, and the Clinton years gave us the dotcom boom, which although balanced by the ravages of welfare reform, did indeed give some voting class Americans a little more money for a little while, the past four years have set the country, not to mention the world, back more than forty years, and as has been pointed out so astutely by many on this board, any candidate who raised the spectre of actual as opposed to cosmetic change in current policy would be considered "unelectable."

That being said, even I probably underestimate the comfort of master-crafted phrases, the magic of a more telegenic figurehead, and the headiness that anchor talent with post-secondary level reading skills can bring to a bushweary populace.

So enchanted will they be with their new prince, it may be 2008 before they even notice the refrigerator is empty, the draft age has been lowered to 12 and raised to 70, and the crusade has spread to several dozen nations.

Should the rest of the world at any time rethink its current policy of waiting meekly for the buzzing of B-52s overhead, it will come as quite a surprise to this contented lot, many of whom will have indeed benefitted from their new employment as prison guards, as I have no doubt that a Democratic administration will not leave states wailing that they have no funds with which to clean up the burgeoning hordes of homeless that threaten the businessses in our cities with their unsightly and generally fun-spoiling presence.

[The Magistrate]

71. It Would Be Difficult To Do That, Sir

They regularly win limbo contests as it is....

Once the Sage wrote: "Having little to live on, people know better than to value life too much."

[number6]

90. have you been reading David Icke ?

"If you don't vote for the right lizard, the wrong lizard might get in!" ;)

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!" yes indeed lets go :thumbsup: :)

[The Magistrate]

92. He Is A Frequent Resort For A Good Laugh, Sir

He also has an entertaining article of "Freemasons Rule Us All" in stock....

The line in question, though, actually comes from the burlesque of Ickes in the late Mr. Douglas Adams' "So Long, and Thanks For All The Fish", where Ford Prefect explains the home world of the great robot.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[NashVegas]

87. But Not Much of a Leader

..

[WiseMen]

88. Should you not read JK bio first. Or is the propaganda enouth

[jadesfire]

46. If you really want to know where he stands on the issues:

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues

His beliefs, record, and plans for most of the issues.


if you would like to continue making unfounded statements at least make sure that there is not an incredibly easily accessable place to completely disprove your statement.

I still didn't know how Dean was going to deal with the middle class tax cuts that he was going to release a plan for at some point...wasn't that supposed to come out after the feb 3rd states voted?


Has anyone seen anything on that that I am not aware of?

[WiseMen]

75. Johnkerry.com

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Reminds me of the "Al Gore discovered Love Canal" crap

a turd brought to us by our "friends" at Counterpoint.

[WiseMen]

82. Somre here are really just broadcast chanells for RW

[WiseMen]

4. Big Coporate will be puttin out Slime, but it is made CREDIBLE when

spread by supposed democrats.

[phillybri]

5. BINGO!!!

All the people you see slinging the shit at ANY of our candidates are making Karl Rove's job that much easier...

I hope they'll all be very proud of themselves if Bush wins in November...

[agingdem]

44. You got it!

I'd say all Rove has to do it go through the DU archives and go Demo slamming.

[mikehiggins]

38. Opposing Kerry makes one a "supposed" democrat?

Sign me up Bunky.

And while you're looking for a pen, why not tell me who appointed you the arbiter of things "democratic"?

I don't remember that vote being taken.

Kerry is open to attack BECAUSE he is open to attack. This great man you are pushing is little more than just another Beltway empty suit, and not even as young and pretty as Senator Edwards.

There are two men running for President in this primary, warts and all. One of whom stood up to a vicious dictator who was starting an unjust war, and another who, well, did almost exactly the same thing.

Clark and Dean. The rest need not apply for my support.

I will vote for Anybody But Bush but if you people think you are getting any bargain in John Kerry you will be sadly and utterly disappointed in short order.

Ooops. Sorry. I guess you got me annoyed. Do you figure Al Gore will deplore my emotionalism?

[WiseMen]

86. Just like DEAN can call others Corrupt after $7 mill goes missing

[JVS]

72. We were told to shut up and deal a month ago.

Now that Kerry is on top it is his turn to take the arrows.

[WiseMen]

97. These are not arrows, but knives in the back

[TrueBlueDem]

6. It reminds me of how Kerry supporters slammed Gore in 2002...

...when Al was still deciding whether to run again in 2004.

Anytime Al's name was mentioned, DU-ers supporting a Kerry run in 2004 hammered out all the same anti-Gore lies and vitriol that the Repukes repeated throughout the 2000 campaign. It was impossible to have a positive pro-Gore thread without Kerry people turning it into a Bash Gore session.

So pardon me if I -- an avid Gore supporter -- have little sympathy for Kerry supporters now that their guy is the target of "Innuendo & Character Slams."

[ibegurpard]

9. Oh yeah. I certainly haven't forgotten that.

It was one of the first things that turned me off Kerry before I'd even heard of Dean.

[Raya]

10. I Called for Draft Gore. I don't recall anything you are saying. More

baseless indirect sliming of Kerry I guess.

[Old and In the Way]

11. Can you reference any threads for that assertion?

I was an avid Gore supporter. I still feel that he should have run again. If he had, I would be sporting an "Re-elect Al Gore in 04" as my avatar. Knowing the make-up of the Kerry supporters, I would tend to believe that they were, as a group, very supportive of Al.

On the other hand, certain candidate supporters were arguing that Al didn't have the "guts" to stand and fight for his FL win...gee, I wonder what supporters that would be?

[Raya]

13. EVIDENCE PLEASE! Or is this more slime by baseless innuendo

[TrueBlueDem]

37. Here's one such thread from 2002

titled "I kinda hate to join the recent Gore-bashing orgy here, but..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=46&forum=DCForumID60&archive=yes

Searching DU Archive2 throughout this general timeframe will yield countless other Gore-bashing threads.

[TrueBlueDem]

49. And here's another thread from 2002

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=21075&forum=DCForumID60&archive=yes

[WiseMen]

55. Guess You can't find any slime on Gore from Kerry. These thread don't

show sliming of Gore, and Jounalists and Congressmen are not
good example to boot.

[JaneQPublic]

61. "I kinda hate to join the recent Gore-bashing orgy here, but..."

That's the title of one of the threads linked above.

So, let me get this straight: The thread's author (a long-time Kerry supporter) even ADMITS he's joining in on Gore-bashing, yet you say it's not an example of Kerry supporters bashing Gore?

Well, alright then. If you say it's so, it must be true!!!
ROTFLOL!!!

[JNelson6563]

64. <snarf>

Glad you've been to the re-ejamacation center. :toast:

Julie

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. I see...slamming Kerry supporters with innuendo is OK

Even if one can't back it up.

[Sly Kal]

27. It was exactly as the poster says

Not one positive Gore thread was allowed to go without an attack of smears and abuse from some Kerry supporters. I could name exactly who those supporters are and I'll bet you can too.

[WiseMen]

34. Please do. I would love to know each of them.

Kerry strongly supported Gore in the past and worked well with him
during the Clinton years. Please substantiate any Kerry attack on
Gore.

[WiseMen]

85. Reaching!

[WiseMen]

91. So Far not meaningfull evidence.

[Walt Starr]

8. I dunno, it's not even close to the sliming I saw

Howard Dean suffer.

[tobius]

12. Kerry needs to

realize that his style of seeming to take both sides of an issue can be used against him. Some so called attacks are his own words


"Sometimes, you never fully face up to things that you ought to face up to." -- Al Gore Source:San Francisco Chronicle

[Raya]

16. Baseless again. A complex solution is not both sides of an issue. It's

honesty.

[DuctapeFatwa]

23. No, honesty is speaking your mind clearly, even if someone who gave you

money disagrees.

Honesty does not win elections.

Rococo phrases that leave both sides insisting that you agree with THEM do.

[w4rma]

24. I see obfuscation of the issues. (n/t)

[tobius]

31. honestly

"Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability." "Today, we are confronted by a regional power, Iraq, which has attacked a weaker state, Kuwait. ... The crisis is even more threatening by virtue of the fact that Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is pursuing a nuclear weapons development program. And Saddam Hussein has demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons of mass destruction in the past, whether in his war against Iran or against his own Kurdish population." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/2/90, p. S14330)

"We’re Going To Have To Make Some Fundamental Decisions About Whether To Follow A Policy Of Containment Or Deprive Iraq Of Its Weapons Of Mass Destruction." Kerry (Eric Schmitt, "U.N. Arms Inspector Who Quit Is Told He Can’t Make Policy," The New York Times, 9/4/98)

"Senator John F. Kerry … had lambasted Bush’s diplomatic efforts, despite voting last fall in support of a congressional resolution authorizing military action to disarm Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction. ‘It appears that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism,’ Kerry said." The Boston Globe 03

If You Don’t Believe Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn’t Vote For Me." Kerry (Ronald Brownstein, "On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd," Los Angeles Times, 1/31/03)

[JasonDeter]

14. Nobody can sling mud like a Democrat.

If the mud sticks an issue is made. That is why the media is so important. The mud rightly stuck on bush* but not on Kerry. Lets see who the media sheds the light on.

[On the Road]

15. I Think There's a Lot of Innuedo, Too

And as a Dean supporter, I will try to avoid it.

I agree -- let's fight on the issues, not invent negative character traits.

[NNN0LHI]

17. Actually no. It does not bother me

If Kerry or anyone else is going to beat the Chimp this November they will have to be able to weather this kind of stuff. I want to get everything out ASAP. Even if it is crap I want it out there NOW. Not after it is too late. Kerry has rough road ahead of him. And thats the way it is supposed to be. And in case you are wondering I think he can weather the attacks and he will be stronger for going through it come November.

Don

[Raya]

19. Guess You want to prove history wrong. Every savaged candidate LOST

[NNN0LHI]

20. That is because every candidate is savaged. Even the winners were n/t

[Raya]

21. Not within own party: Carter by Kennedy, Bush by Perot, Gore by Nader

[ShimokitaJer]

42. Perot not a Repub. Nader not a Dem.

When will you people get it throught your skulls that more than two parties exist in this country?

[Padraig18]

29. Then maybe people should look more closely before backing them.

Baggage is what you bring along with you--it's not what someone else gives you. Sen. Kerry has a lot of baggage.

[NNN0LHI]

And other candidates don't have baggage? Hmm n/t

[Padraig18]

32. Did I say that? Hmmm? n/t

[CWebster]

18. Yeah, Kerry constant carping and maligning of Dean

Did Kerry EVER have a different tune?

[Sly Kal]

25. "Many of the anti-Kerry posts are baseless innuendo about his character."

Most the anti-Dean posts are/were baseless innuendo too. I don't remember you objecting.
This is the primary process, candidates must be vetted even by their own party. This is what many Kerry supporters said a few months ago. Have the rules changed? I have not been here in a while.

[Raya]

26. I call that slime. Do you approve of attack by baseless innuendo?

[Sly Kal]

28. I approve

I approve of equal treatment for all candidates don't you?

[Padraig18]

53. If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce fgor the gander!

Speaking as a Dean supporter, I can say "Been there, done that---bought the T-shirt!". :grr:

[tobius]

40. slime can be

defined by some to include anything that may put their candidate in a negative light. I would disagree, sliming someone would be more akin to innuendo, or whispered rumors w/o facts.

Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex marriage.
The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA): Vote to prohibit marriage between members of the same sex in federal law, and provide that no state is required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. Define 'marriage' as 'between one man and one wo...
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[Walt Starr]

56. Oh yeah? Says you!

RUN C:/FLAMEBOT.EXE

You are speaking out of turn. You need to provide a link to an
article to support your assertion. You have no right to say
things like that. You are a doodyhead.

:D

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[WiseMen]

35. Now appears another innuendo that Kerry was Anti-Gore. PROOF PLEASE

[corporatewhore]

36. i will continue to question his charecter and any body eles characterwho

said they would consider putting an ammendment into our consitition that said not giving certain people equal rights instead of standing up and saying NO WAY IN HELL.I will also question his resolve to do the right thing in difficult times because he help to mutilate the bill of rights that is the document that makes america america and i also question the character of anybody who promotes SLAVERY in this day and age (naftawtoimfgatt permanent trade relations w/china....)

[WiseMen]

41. Kerry in the ONLY senior leader to vote AGAINST DOMA

He got up in the senate and said "HELL NO!"

[bobthedrummer]

39. It reminds me of what all of us Dennis Kucinich supporters

have heard about our guy and/or ourselves right here from some of the more virulent supporters of other candidates for the past year or so.

That's what it reminds me of.

In fairness, I'm sure this could be said by any of the other candidates supporters, there has been a pack mentality displayed here by Clark and Dean supporters in particular IMO.

It is really sickening and, unfortunately, I'm sure it will continue.

OTOH, George W. Bush IS going down in November, just look at the record turnouts so far in the primaries.

He is fascist slime, incarnated. ABB.

[WiseMen]

43. Good Point. I don't think folks realize the damage that Dem on Dem does

It is the repub dream.

[The Magistrate]

51. You Are Quite Right, Sir

Attacks based on distortion and personality by Democrats against Democratic candidates do the enemy's work for him.

[edzontar]

59. It is so funny hearing this from some of the most relentless Dean

Opponents.

Really funny.

[Eloriel]

81. Oh, did I miss your concern about this while Dean was the

one in the hotseat here at DU? I wish I'd have seen that.

[RetroLounge]

48. Reminds me of what this board did to Dean

eom

[Padraig18]

50. Doesn't it, though?

*sigh*

[jpgpenn]

54. Hearing FACTS on Kerry can be hard on those that support him.

But you know something? I'm sure you didn't much care when your candidate said repeatedly and sent out in a mass flyer campaign that Clark was a repuke, now did you?

Thou shall reap what thou sews!

[WiseMen]

73. Sorry to hear. I and may colleagues supported Kerry throught all the Hell

of the baseless attack on his character and campaign by the Dean camp. It was far more vicious than most can imagine.

The only way Kerry overcame it was to go to Iowa and meet people 1-on-1. The whole mass media either ignored Kerry or spread put-downs
and negative innuendo.

So, we are very sympathic to your feelings on this matter.

[John_H]

74. The new rules should kick in after WI

since Edwards is going to cut his VP deal and drop out after then.

This nomination fight will be over six days from today, set in stone. It will then be time to separate those serious about getting rid of Bush with those who place their own agendas above their country's future, rather than waiting for a "formality."

Just because Dean may prove himself to be a Naderesque megalomaniac doesn't mean he and a few of his supporters should be able to try to damage our prosepects in Nov. because they're in the midst of a collective temper tantrum.

[Walt Starr]

77. Until one candidate has enough delegates for nomination

it's not over.

[Eloriel]

78. Oh, boo hoo

I'm SO torn up about this. I just may have to go cry me a river. St. John getting called on all his stuff -- lobbyists, funny business for supporters, now interns. Really tears me up. I don't think I can stand to watch any more.

Boohoo boohoo. This is so mean to the frontrunner. Don't people know they're interrupting a Coronation? They should be SO ashamed.

Where are the people saying -- as they did about Dean -- that if he can't endure this he can't endure going against Bush&Rove and we need to know that now?

[WiseMen]

80. Hope you are not saying that Dean is the source of this slime too?

[Eloriel]

83. No, not even close.

[stickdog]

79. Well, wisdom often comes late. (nt)

[MoonRiver]

84. Yes it reminds me of all the Repuke sliming for 11 years and counting.

I want DU to be above that fray.

[number6]

89. yes, the big money Repooplican smear machine

...

[Tinoire]

93. St Kerry! Hmmmm And just why didn;t Gore want this liberal as VP?

True? Well, Sneed is told the real reason former Dem presidential nominee Al Gore did NOT select Kerry as his veepmate was because of allegations of women problems, or marital infidelity involving Kerry's marriage to Heinz, heiress to the Heinz Ketchup fortune, whom he met in 1990.

A top source tells Sneed Gore was talking about Kerry's sexual baggage "with a young woman" as recently as late last week!

"Kerry was the favorite to be Gore's veep, but they worried a female problem could erupt, so U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman was selected instead," said the source.

"In addition to Gore backing Howard Dean for president, because he wanted access to the cadre of Dean youth called the "Deanie babies" when he runs for president again and goes up against Hillary Clinton, Gore chose Dean because he feared the Kerry female mess would rear its ugly head," the source added.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sneed/cst-nws-sneed13.html

Hmmm. One MUST wonder why Kerry wasn't good enough for Gore. Why he had to settle for a second string violin like Lieberman.

Liberman, whether right or wrong, at least knows what his principles are and sticks by them, defends them.

[The Magistrate]

94. Sneed, Ma'am?

You are aware of who this person is?

The society gossip columnist, who found the Hollinger-owned Sun Times a more congenial home than even the Tribune?

Her political leanings are reactionary to the core, but she has no political sources whatever.

If you are going to quote local gossips, Ma'am, try Ms. Gerber of the Lerner organization: that lady's heart, at least, is in the right place, somwhat left of center, and she routinely denounces the criminals of the '00 Coup in between revealing who was seen without their spouse in some compromising company, or who had to fire a thieving maid recently, of hosted some movie star for dinner....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Sensitivity]

96. Such delicious RW slime. Good job finding more ways to spead it

[DrFunkenstein]

95. As A Kerry Supporter I Agree About Issue Criticism

I have gamely fielded debates about the IWR for months (no one seems to disagree with Kerry's actual policy positions, just his Senatorial voting).

Although the IWR criticisms often bordered on the irrational (or more often fallacious), there were also rational criticisms - many of which I agreed with.

However, the latest round of hit-Kerry-at-all-costs is pretty disappointing. Suddenly, the "progressives" see Drudge as their new best friend. Good to see principles in action.

[WiseMen]

98. I don't understand why Dems are doing this to themselves. It's BIZZARE

[mvd]

99. It reminds me of how the neo-cons always campaign

And they have the nerve to accuse us of dirty politics? We need to call them on their hypocrisy. But if is is true that Kerry had an affair, it better come out, because Gore was even hurt by the Clinton stigma and he wasn't even involved.