Who has more appeal in the General Election?

[dpbrown]

[nancyharris]

1. However one looks at it

Dennis Kucinich is the best choice for the Democratic Party.

[jhfenton]

71. Only if you want Bush to win 70% of the nationwide vote. (n/t)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. My choice isn't available

What happened to "Not Dennis Kucinich"?

[Product of Evolution]

4. Since when is for Dennis anti-anyone but bush?

Eh?

[EXE619K]

3. Hands-down....

This is the best poll I've seen in the last month or so....

Who says Kooch supporters aren't clever?

:toast:

[dpbrown]

5. Decidedly Dennis

He's the "special K" of this race.

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Saint Paul, Minnesota

[Fovea]

9. as opposed

to Bush's 'moral fiber."

[NashVegas]

6. I Think Someone Should Call

Bev Harris about this.

[LWolf]

36. I don't know who Bev will vote for, but

she sure expressed her appreciation of the

"Diebold-busting "memos on his Cong. web" Dennis J. Kucinich!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=739444

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=760073#760359

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=782073#784789
(reply # 40)

[rucky]

7. If this is what my ballot looks like in May...

I'll have a hard time deciding.

[dpbrown]

8. So would I!

Hmmmm....which Dennis will it be?

DPB

[drewb]

10. kick!

:kick:

[Terwilliger]

11. a "heh" kick

:)

[corporatewhore]

12. its NAFTA stupid old school conservatives and libertarianshave joined my

local kucinich campaign because of this and patriot nobody likes this conservatives lose there jobs too

[redqueen]

14. Yep indeedy - as Kucinich says, "Hello?!"

Gotta love Texan old-style conservatives. They hate bush and love Kucinich. :D

[corporatewhore]

15. he won over reagan dems in ohio and he appeals to greens libertarians ...

old school conservatives socialists liberal dems and hell even my anarchist friends like him how many other cannidats can claim that

[redqueen]

16. ZERO

But, they have that high school clique factor. "electability" :eyes:

[goodhue]

13. so many excellent choices

this democracy stuff is hard work

[bonemachine]

44. I love your sig pic!

GO DK!

[goodhue]

17. kick again

[jmoss]

18. DK is a fine American.....but.........

..we're ALL missing the big picture. John Edwards is the candidate who has been so successful because his campaign has been able to pull independents out to the polls. He jumped from 2% to 15% in NH b/c of this. He jumped from 12% to 30% in Missori because of this.

Look everyone: It's great for unity among hard-core Dem's that folks are falling in line behind Kerry. There are others, such as DK, who I REALLY DO ADMIRE. But last time I checked, Al Gore carried virtually NO States among NC, SC, FL, and the ENTIRE mid-west. We need a frsh, positive voice as our candidate. Face it, he's much sharper & presidential "looking" than JK. Petty, though it is, that's how many people (I've spoken to them in many States) decide to vote.

Now I'm not by any means suggesting that the well-informed folks who frequent DU are shallow like this, but we need to stand behind someone, John Edwards specifically, who will be able to bring undecideds, repub's, and simply MORE democrats from around our heartland, OUT TO THE POLLS for us. If they're the slightest bit opposed to GW, or are hard-core ABB, they'll have very little qualms about supporting Edwards for President.

I have been volunteering for his campaign when I'm not in the classroom teaching my 5th/6th graders, and THIS is the message I've gotten.

Much of the Kerry phenomenon is media hype+plus+people not wanting their vote to go for not, by pulling the lever for someone else.

We need Edwards. we need to win States that Gore couldn't win--NOT just focus on the hoop-la of how well JK has done in States where DEM's already have the edge.

[no name no slogan]

23. So, how did you vote then?

That is, after all, the TOPIC of this thread. I don't recall there being a "vote for Edwards instead because...." option. :D

[OhioStateProgressive]

56. isn't Edwards that candidate who likes war?

After reading his MSNBC transcript I think we would face extinction as a species under the Presidency of John Edwards.

on edit, spelling

[redqueen]

19. The real Kucinich

Which, bizzarely, is the one that stands up in front of everyone, unashamed of his past votes and record, ready to speak truth to power every single day.

Amazing what you can do when you have values and stand up for them, isn't it?

[ThirdWheelLegend]

20. If you vote for Kucinich, you get ALL OF THE ABOVE

And a hell of a lot more.

TWL

[leftbend]

21. You need an all of the above choice

but the Prayer for America covers it best for me, just reading it gives me tingles.

[dpbrown]

22. Not only that, but ANY ONE of the above Dennis's beats Bush

Take a look at my writing on the subject:
http://www.imwithdennis.com/article312.html

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Saint Paul, Minnesota

[boobooday]

24. Kucinich!!!!

Our best hope!!! I heard him last night on Mike Malloy -- he sounded very tired, but he's always inspiring.

Why can't we have Dennis??!!! I WANT DENNIS!!!!

He is everything we need right now.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

Jeanette

[dpbrown]

25. So far I've seen no candidate as clear on the issues

To say nothing about being the clearest alternative to Bush.

Kucinich rocks.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[Gringo]

26. Unfortunately, they still let Repugs & "moderates" vote in this country.

He would have little appeal for them, not to mention the millions of superficial people who would blow him off for his looks.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

27. Which leads to an interesting observation..

So the many on DU that say Dennis is unelectable because 'the public' will not like his looks or a similar nonreason, are these people also part of that superficial public who 'blows him off' for his looks?

:)

TWL

[redqueen]

33. Actually many Republicans hate these free trade agreements

He has massive appeal for them.

It's so popular with rightwingers in Texas it's a plank in the Republican Party Platform!

http://www.rlctx.org/RLCTX/Texas%20Republican%20Party%20Platform%202000.htm

International Trade – The Party favors fair and reciprocal trade in the international market place for our agricultural products, oil and gas, any other raw materials and manufactured goods. We urge the use of import quotas of foreign products like those used by former President Ronald Reagan to protect the Harley–Davidson motorcycle, steel and machine tools and computer chip industries from “dumping” by foreign powers. Likewise, we urge sanctions against the European Union and other nations that disrupt free trade by subsidizing agricultural exports or other goods to the United States. We support business opportunity and oppose President Clinton’s advocacy of intrusive government–industry partnerships based on Japanese and European models. We urge the repeal of NAFTA and GATT and withdrawal from membership in the WTO. We believe that we should call for the immediate withdrawal of the United States from any agreements that compromise national sovereignty, independence, self-sufficiency and national security.


Sounds like Dennis is ready to make another 'giant sucking sound' as all the old GOP party faithful leave bush to vote for Dennis!

[revcarol]

42. Many Republicans, libertarians, Greens

also hate the Patriot Act. He's the only one who would repeal it.

Our Dennis: A UNITER, NOT A DIVIDER

:think:

[snoochie]

81. He's the only candidate who had the balls to vote against the PA

Great point, revcarol!

He'd win in a landslide. Too bad the media is so good at their job of manufacturing our consent for us.

[Edge]

28. Healthcare...

I don't have any medical insurance right now...it would be nice if I got some here. :( :cry:

[ThirdWheelLegend]

29. Would be nice wouldn't it? Kucinich, the only one proposing UHC

Another reason to support DK.


I hope you can get coverage or care if you were to need it.


take care of yourself and keep up the good fight for DK,
TWL

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54. You go grovelBot!

How come he always shows up on these Kucinich threads?

GrovelBot must support Kucinich!

-underage/Texas/Dem/wants to vote.

[goodhue]

30. kick

[LWolf]

31. Other.

ALL OF THE ABOVE.

[goodhue]

32. Its time to change the channel!

[dpbrown]

34. I love that picture of Dennis in your sig line

If there was ever a person with his finger on what civilization is supposed to stand for, it is Dennis J. Kucinich.

DPB

[dpbrown]

35. Dennis would clean Bush's clock, that's for sure

Put any one of these Dennises up against the slacker frat boy and watch Bush wither.

[Guava Jelly]

37. Dennis is a good man

But he wont appeal to the average american.
I agree with him on allmost everything.
But I am sorry to say if he gets the nod Bush and his mean machine will mop the floor with him

[dpbrown]

38. Anti-NAFTA Dennis is in the lead!

But Universal Health Care for What We're Paying Now is close behind!

DPB

[MaggieSwanson]

39. "Voted against the Patriot Act" Dennis! n/t

:toast:

[dpbrown]

47. And "Voted against the Iraq Force Resolution!"

:toast:

So many excellent Dennises, so little time.

[kclown]

40. How about "I'm the almost" in "We were almost all wrong"

Met DK last sunday and suggested that to him.  He said he
would use it.

[LWolf]

45. LOL

Good one! :hi:

[snoochie]

82. heh - good one!

He's so far ahead of the pack. Can't wait to hear him say that!

[RichM]

41. It's a tough choice, but I prefer Kucinich. I like the truth, you see.

It's kind of a fetish.

[hippywife]

43. All of the above, my friend!

Dennis has it all. :)

[tobius]

46. Who had more appeal in the primaries?

If by appeal you mean votes- Kerry

[Padraig18]

48. Time for another P&C kick, huh?

:eyes:

[dpbrown]

49. "I'm in the race until the finish" Dennis J. Kucinich

Welcome, former Dean supporters!

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Saint Paul, Minnesota

[rucky]

50. 'cuz he eats his spinach

[dpbrown]

51. Come to Minnesota to hear the "Spinach Song" sung to Dennis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=5624

At the Rally and Concert for Peace, Justice and Jobs this Saturday, Feb. 21st, in Minneapolis!

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[LWolf]

57. Hey

are there lyrics we can read if we can't come to MN?

You would not believe what is dancing around in my imagination.

[dpbrown]

58. I'll see if I can track them down

It was sung to Dennis in Iowa, and written by a musician up here who's in the Band "Crossing Borders" (I think that's the name).

Let me see if I can find them written down.

DPB

[dpbrown]

61. Still looking for lyrics, but here's a place you can hear it

http://kucinich.us/doortodoor2004.php

It's the background music for the "Bring Alan In Out of the Snow" video.

Russel Pacard is a Minnesota musician.

DPB

[dpbrown]

63. Another Website with Kucinich Lyrics

Including a song I wrote (on top of a pop tune).

http://www.friendsofkucinich.com/songs/

Still haven't found the lyrics for the spinach song, though.

Looks like you'll have to come to Minneapolis to hear it!

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[LWolf]

67. I will knock 500 doors!

Great job. I have the earlier CD, but I haven't stopped by that site in a while.

And thanks for the link, I'm listening now. And enjoying!

[dpbrown]

72. I'd love to hear 500 Doors in an Australian accent

Shouting like a bunch of rugby players singing in a pub.

Now that kind of song would put people in the right mood.

:-)

DPB

[dpbrown]

85. Did you read that, wal?

I bet you've got just the right accent for this song.

DPB

[Desertrose]

52. a kick up for Dennis

oh and by the way....inthe poll above.....I voted for Dennis!!!
:evilgrin:

DK all the WAY!!!!!!!

:loveya:
DR

[goodhue]

53. I too voted for Dennis

in the poll above. Great minds think alike.

[dpbrown]

55. Come to Minnesota on Saturday to Rally for Peace, Justice & Jobs with DK!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=110881

This is gonna be big!

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[Cuban_Liberal]

59. Pretty lame:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=110434

:wtf:

[goodhue]

60. why is that pretty lame?

Strikes me as clever and effective.

[dpbrown]

62. Maybe someday "votes" will keep a thread afloat

Until then, it takes kicks.

And I think there's a nice conversation developing in here, anyway.

Thanks for your concern.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[goodhue]

65. yes I've wondered why votes don't result in kick

they should IMHO

[dpbrown]

66. I suppose polls would be at the top all day then, wouldn't they

I like this poll, though, and I think it's pretty timely.

There are a lot of things to like about Dennis (or not, for some), but it's pretty much all about the ideology, as far as I can tell.

For me, his positions put him really head-and-shoulders up above any other Democrat in the race - that, and his integrity.

I just had this thought come to mind -

What if Dennis Kucinich taught "Compassion School" and George Bush was forced to attend by court order after being driven out of Al Gore's house this fall?

I love that thought.

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Saint Paul, Minnesota

[dpbrown]

64. "I know what Dean's former supporters are doing this summer"

Welcome to Kucitizenhood!

DPB

[Debi]

68. Not all of us!! I'll be

Supporting Dean supporters for public office!!!!

[JasonDeter]

69. WHO THE (*LL IS Dennis J. Kucinich?

[LWolf]

70. Which one?

Which one would you like to get to know? We can link ya up. ;-)

[dpbrown]

73. Don't forget the huge rally with Kucinich in Minneapolis Sat., Feb. 21st!

It's shaping up to be one of the most important events this year for progressives in the Midwest, featuring the soul of the progressive movement in America right now, Representative Dennis Kucinich.

Don't miss this opportunity to hear music, laugh, cheer, and experience Dennis' dramatic vision for the post-W world.

Get here any way you can.

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[dpbrown]

78. This is going to be awesome

What I'm calling it?

Koochstock!

See you in Minneapolis tomorrow!

DPB

[Slice]

74. Um

Dennis Kucinich vanquished a Republican in a congressional district that is dominated by Democrats. He won re-election in 2002 with over 70% of the vote. The Republican that he beat was out of place in that district, so it is really not that big of a feat.

I personally think it is much more impressive that Edwards knocked off Faircloth in a very Republican state, or that Kerry was able to hold off William Weld. Weld was a Republican in arguably the most Democratic state in the country, and he was able to win re-election with 70%+ of the vote.

I think that both of these events were much more convincing than Dennis knocking off a Republican in a Democratic-dominated congressional district.

[redqueen]

75. But they voted with bush. n/t

[Slice]

76. So did Kucinich

Who has the lower american conservative union rating? Kerry or Kucinich? If you said Kucinich, you'd be wrong. Who has the higher environmental ratings? Kerry.

[redqueen]

99. Sorry, special interest ratings don't impress me.

Actions do.

Who decided to echo and embellish bush's war lies?

Who has done anything about BBV?

[dpbrown]

77. Kucinich beat Sinagra in the middle of the "Gingrich Revolution"

Most seats were going the other way in 1994, when Kucinich ousted incumbent Republican Tony Sinagra, despite being outspent two-to-one.

In 1994, Kucinich challenged Republican Ohio State Sen. Anthony Sinagra for his 23rd district seat. The district was composed of Cleveland neighborhoods which had historically responded positively to Kucinich’s blend of progressive populism and the election quickly became a lively and spirited race, with Kucinich leveraging the strength of the expansion of the city's publicly-owned light system which he had protected from privatization, and which even today provides low-cost power to almost half the residents of Cleveland. Although he was outspent by his Republican rival 2 to 1, Kucinich emerged as the victor.

In January 1996 he entered the Democratic primary for Ohio’s 10th District seat in the House of Representatives. Thanks to his experience as mayor and recent victory over Sinagra, Kucinich had significant name-recognition among voters, and went on to challenge Republican Rep. Martin Hoke in the general election. Kucinich relied on a grassroots campaign with ties to lower- and middle-class communities in his campaign against the two-term representative. He received decisive support from environmental groups and labor unions, including the AFL-CIO, which poured more than $1million into ads against his opponent.

In 1998 the Cleveland City Council honored him for, "having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the city's municipal electric system." Kucinich was right then, and he's right now. That's why he beats Republicans.

And Kucinich has never wavered in aggressively championing for the “little guy.” In his first term in the U.S. Congress, he emerged as a vocal critic of NAFTA. He has also opposed cuts in Social Security and healthcare and advocated for a patients bill of rights that would allow all patients their choice of doctors and specialists. Today, as chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (the largest congressional caucus), Kucinich has promoted a national health care system, preservation of Social Security, increased Unemployment Insurance benefits, and the establishment of wholesales cost-based rates for electricity, natural gas and home heating oil. When the Supreme Court ruled that mandatory arbitration could be a condition of employment, Kucinich introduced a bill to reverse the Court's decision.

Kucinich has been re-elected with increasing margins each time, and now pulls in 74% of the vote in his district. Kucinich opposes the death penalty, NAFTA, and the WTO, and champions single-payer universal health coverage, and empowering family farmers in moving into energy and food distribution.

People who try to discredit Kucinich's dramatic wins over incumbent Republicans by trying to credit the liberal nature of his district are missing the point.

Dennis wins because he's truly the soul of the progressive movement today. His wins over incumbent Republicans are proof of the depth of inspiration he fires up in others.

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[wal]

79. Kerry / Kucinich in '04

Hey DU doods,

John Kerry is the big guy who can take the Presidency from Bush and his goons. Dennis Kucinich would be (in my mind, but I'm Australian, and can't guarantee that this would sit well with Americans) his ideal V.P.

But first, you've got to make sure that everyone votes, and that the process is honest. Good luck.

[dpbrown]

80. I thought I saw you post this idea in another thread

Was that you?

It was someone from outside the US who put together a couple of ideas for us Yanks to consider.

I'll tell you, it's time for Bush to go.

Even Howard's had his feet put to the fire over this Iraq thing, hasn't he.

Fair dinkum, it's time to send these drongo PNAC conservatives to black stump faster than a Bondi tram.

DPB

[Kenneth ken]

83. THANKS Dan!

That's the best poll.

I can't believe this place today; everyone moping around, whining, "oh the primaries are over, and I didn't get a vote"
"wah we don't have any good choices"

wah wah fucking wah.

Not surprisingly, I'd bet a lot of these are the same tools who said they liked Dennis best, but he wasn't "electable"

[dpbrown]

84. He's electable when people vote for him

And he's already shown that he kicks ass booting incumbent Republicans out of office.

Thanks for your thoughts!

DPB

[dpbrown]

86. I think this makes Dennis the most electable candidate

If people (the real people, the ones the media is keeping information from), ever got a chance to see his real positions, it wouldn't even be close.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[dpbrown]

87. Wouldn't it be cool if we could get the votes up past 100?

Keep voting!

Don't let the black box and the Republicans take them away!

DPB

[dpbrown]

88. One thing's for sure - you wouldn't have Nader in if you had Kucinich in

But the media and the "I wanna vote just like everybody else is voting" non-critical thinkers push a candidate on us that will guarantee that the fight is for the barely 5 million voters who wanted Gore to be more conservative.

The Democrats ignore their base, and continue to stretch toward the right, and then they wonder why the progressives continue to seek someone who will speak for them.

Duh.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[dpbrown]

89. I love this teeth-gnashing over Nader

Because I know that we wouldn't even have to worry about Nader if we had Dennis as the nominee.

The Democrats are making the choice that it's more "electable" to try to steal votes from conservatives in the middle than it is to lock up Nader's votes in the bank and preach to the core with clear, progressive Democratic values.

As long as Dennis is in the race, someone will be speaking to the issues that the others would rather avoid.

Dennis speaks for all of us.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[jkg4peace]

91. kick

I could just scream every time I hear a report on the TV or radio about the election and they never even mention Dennis' name. Yet they all muse about how none of the candidates has a plan to get out of Iraq, and none of them support gay marriage, and on and on. AAAAAAHHHHHH! Wake up, America! How can you let this chance slip by?

IF NOT NOW - WHEN? IF NOT HERE - WHERE? IF NOT US - WHO? GO GO DENNIS!

[mandyky]

90. LOL - Ouch

I got the point/s.

[Desertrose]

92. late evening kick

:kick:


Peace
DR

[dpbrown]

93. New Category: The Beat Edwards Triple Play Dennis J. Kucinich

Over 30% in Hawaii, and adding Hawaii to Washington and Maine as states where DK has beaten Edwards.

Convention here we come!

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[LWolf]

94. Oh, no. Not again.

How can you do this to me, Dan? How can you make me choose just one?

I want'em all.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

95. me too!

Oh wait, but if you vote for Kucinich, you do get them all! :)

GO DK!


TWL

[Guava Jelly]

96. Clark

He was at least electable

[LWolf]

97. Good point.

You point out the futility, the inherent contradiction, and the divorce from reality that the "electability" sham embraces. Didn't Clark drop out because of his evaluation of his own "electability?"

Dennis is electable. The evidence is right in front of us: he has been elected.

I valued general Clark's presence in the contest, and was sorry to see him go. What are his plan for the future? Will he run for other office?

[dpbrown]

98. Having won exactly one election in his entire life?

If that is the criteria, or part of the criteria, then Dennis Kucinich is electable in spades.

He's beaten three separate incumbent Republicans, one during the "Gingrich Revolution" when most seats were going the other way.

He represents a real difference from Bush.

How many people are going to stay home in November, rather than choosing between:

Two candidates who support the death penalty.

Two candidates who support NAFTA.

Two candidates who support invading Iraq.

Two candidates who are against universal single-payer health care.

Two candidates who are against gay marriages.

I'll give you a clue - plenty.

No difference = No win

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[dpbrown]

100. Close race between anti-NAFTA and USP Dennis now!

Will anti-NAFTA Dennis keep his lead?

Or will Universal Single-Payer Dennis close the gap?

Stay tuned to the riveting saga of...

The Only Democratic Running on Democratic Issues!

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Saint Paul, Minnesota

[wheresthemind]

101. hum... which has the most $$$?

heh, just kidding of course!

[dpbrown]

102. The REAL swing-vote issues are NAFTA and health care

Ask yourself how Kerry and Edwards differ from the standard, corporate enabling position of the major parties.

The people want to be secure in their bodies and in their jobs. When they are, they want to be better public citizens and participate in the agenda of the nation.

Looking for evidence that this is true?

Read anything about Maslow's "Hierarchy of Needs."

http://web.utk.edu/~gwynne/maslow.HTM
http://chiron.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/regsys/maslow.html
http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/maslow.html

And on and on and on....

Why is Bush so focused on keeping people un-insured and un-employed?

Because they then have no desire nor inclination to pay attention to his rape of the land, the government, and the Treasury for his rich, corporate friends.

Do you think Kerry will take on the corporations? Do you think Kerry will take on NAFTA? Do you think Kerry will fight for universal single-payer health care for LESS than what we're paying now?

Yeah, right.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[goodhue]

103. kick

[dpbrown]

104. By 32% plurality, anti-NAFTA Dennis leads Health Care Dennis

Will you be the person to bring Universal Single-Payer Dennis up from second place?

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[salin]

105. I nominate this poll... for 'most clever poll options' honor.

The options really made me chuckle.

[dpbrown]

108. There are so many good options....how does one choose???

That's my question. The only way to figure it out was to ask the voting public which Dennis wins!

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[goodhue]

106. kick

[goodhue]

107. kick for Tuesday