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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:12 PM
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Help me decide whom to vote for
I won't vote for Kerry because he is a "whichever way the wind blows" politician. I was going to vote for Dean because he was one of the few that called a spade a spade from the beginning. Believe it or not, I haven't seen the "Dean Scream" that dragged him down, but I honestly don't know if he can recover.

My radically right-wing mother and brother hope Dean is nominated because they think Shrub can beat him.

I would rather vote Kucinich, but he hasn't a snowball's chance of getting the nomination.

I don't know anything about Edwards. But maybe I think he's OK because the media hasn't yet crucified him. What does Edwards stand for?

(Fuck Drudge, anyway. For awhile I fixed my mother's and brother's computers to bring up the Sludge Report instead of the Drudge Report. It was fun for awhile, but it they found a way around it. I could have fixed it up again but decided the joke was old. They wouldn't read anything that didn't fit with their preconceived notions anyway.)
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:16 PM
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1. Edwards stands for end of lobbyism and revolving door.
He's also for the teacher's ROTC to help pay for college.


I say vote for whomever is closest to beating Kerry- Dean or Edwards when the time comes.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:23 PM
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2. "I would rather vote Kucinich, but..."
OMG!!!*smacks forehead and screams for the umpteen billionth time*

Oooookay, now that I got that out of my system can I point something out-

You'd rather vote Kucinich but you won't because "he hasn't a snowball's chance of getting the nomination"...um, well isn't that kinda because people like yourself keep saying you won't vote for him??

Please think about that statement for a second, won't you?

This is the Democratic Primary, right? The point of having a Primary is so YOU can vote for the guy YOU would most like to see become the next President from the Democratic Party! If he loses, so be it, but if he loses because you decided you were psychic and didn't vote for him, who is really to blame for it?
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:25 PM
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3. I like Kerry but I'm thinking of voting for...
Kucinich, just cause he's what I believe in.

I'll vote for Kerry in November. Maybe more votes for Kucinich will move Kerry left.

I like them all, Edwards is so cute and smart. Lets have an interesting diverse convention, then we can all come together with strength.

I love Wilson and FDR and JFK and Carter. I can forgive Clinton and Truman and Johnson. Its a big tent and we need to keep the momentum of the primaries going. That's why I'm so glad the primary season is still interesting. There are 3/4 of the delegates to go!

Democrats are going to win in November!
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:29 PM
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4. I would vote Dean
He could crush Bush in the GE. He's been consistent in his criticisms of Bush. He's been a fiscal conservative during his years as Governer.


Vote your heart, but don't count Dean out cause of what some pubs say.

Disclaimer: I am highly biased.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:29 PM
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5. Thank you, Ladyhawk
for using *whom* in your subject line. Correct usage is such a rare commodity these days.

As to your question, if you still can when your primary rolls around, vote for Dean. My take on Edwards is that he is an overly cute lightweight -- no depth of knowledge nor experience. Dean and/or Clark are/were the best hopes for getting the old boy networks marginalized. Clark, unfortunately, is no longer an option.

But, since JK has (apparently) been annointed, he may be an adequate place-holder until a real champion of the people can get elected.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:18 PM
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9. grammar
Following the rules of traditional grammar, the construction should have been "for whom to vote." After all, a preposition is a bad thing to end a sentence with.

;-)
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:41 PM
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11. That is an extreme position
up with which I will not put.

(With apologies to Winston Churchill)
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:05 PM
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14. you bet
but I'm sure you mean "shall not put."

;-)
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:02 PM
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20. No. *will* is the more frequently quoted.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:31 PM
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16. New Guy at Harvard
Old joke I know but I love it.

There was a young country boy who was very bright. In fact he was bright enough to be accepted to Harvard. One of his first assignments at Harvard was to write a paper on a famous person. He didn't know who he would write about so he decided to go to the library and do some research. He found this difficult because he didn't know where the library was. He saw a professor walking down the hall, He stopped the professor and said to him "Do you know where the Library is at?"

The Professor looked at the young man strangely and said "Young man, here at Harvard we never end a sentence in a preposition."

The young man said "Oh, excuse me. Do you know where the library is at asshole?"

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YouMustBeKiddingMe Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:37 PM
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6. Checked your profile - you're from Calif
Kerry's got an overwhelming lead there, but consider voting for Kucinich.

You seem to like Kucinich the best anyway, so why not vote your favorite? He plans on continuing his cause beyond this election and could use the numbers behind him to help that cause.

This is the primary. Go with your first choice. Vote Kucinich.
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:15 PM
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7. When is your primary?
If it's soon I'd vote for Edwards if you really don't like Kerry. If it's after it matters, I'd vote for Dean just as a symbolic gesture of what he did for the party.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:16 PM
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8. If you liked Dean before, why not stick with him?
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uconnyc Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:21 PM
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10. Edwards believes
that all Americans, no matter what their background (sex, income, race, etc.) deserve equal opportunity. An equal opportunity to get a good education, go to college, get healthcare, be treated with respect and dignity, be represented by their elected officials, etc., etc.

That is his main message and he talks about it every chance he gets in his "Two Americas" speech.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:52 PM
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12. How 'bout doing the radical thing...
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 09:54 PM by Kanary
Check out all the candidates positions, look over their proposals, and vote for the one who most closely articulates your ideals...?

How does that sound?

In other words, in the Primary, vote your heart. That's what primaries are for.

Nobody else can tell you what your ideals are, so nobody can tell you who most closely approximates those standards.

It's *your* vote. Use it as you feel is best, not what others think is best.

Unless you want to be a "whichever way the wind blows" voter.

Happy reading...

Kanary
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:01 PM
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13. Not Edwards!
A better-looking Kerry with a more charming accent and lots of pious and positive rhetoric, if you go for that stuff. Suspect he has a lock on the vice-presidential nomination (at the debates everyone including Dean tries to blow him).

The rap sheet

- voted for IWR
- voted for USA PATRIOT Act
- voted for all the rest of that Bush stuff (minus the tax cut).

And after 9/11, do you recall how he was among the handful of Senators standing up against the dismantling of our democracy and the creation of a cult of personality around the Leader? No? That's because he wasn't.

Even more ominous:

- INTRODUCED the "Homeland Intelligence Agency Act" of 2004! This would create an internal CIA and has received a tacit endorsement from the 9/11 Kean Commission (who pushed it in hearings).

Just what we need!
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:12 PM
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15. Edwards stands for working people.
His votes come from rural communities and manufacturing towns - people that the Democratic Party has forgotten.

He wants to reform the tax system so that it taxes wealthy people who live off of their investments and assets instead of taxing people who are working for a living.

He has the most aggressive plan for limiting the power of lobbyist money in Washington. He has never taken money from a PAC or Washington lobbyist.

He says, "This government, this democracy, does not belong to that crowd of insiders. It belongs to you, and we're going to restore the power of this democracy to you."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:38 PM
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17. Dennis
As long as Kerry's been crowned already, why not take this opportunity to spend your vote on the best man?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=287270
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:40 PM
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18. Depends on what matters to you
My number 1 issues are social justice, health-care and unjust wars/occupation which limits me to Kucinich.

You already know about the war stances which go hand in hand with occupation because what is occupation if not low-intensity war?

Here is the article some of us co-wrote on why you should look at Kucinich close up and forget about all that electablility crap which is designed to keep the American people and a good man down. Make sure you check out the comparisons Jim McDermott did on healthcare because Kucinich & Sharpton are the only ones left standing (this is another reason they're both DOA unless people like you and me stop saying they're unelectable when the only thing that makes them so is us believing that propaganda).

Peace to you my friend!



He walks the talk - Count on Kucinich
for democracy, social and economic justice, peace, and for the people

Since the Supreme Court’s stunning decision of 2000, millions of Americans watched in disbelief as our political leadership chose corporate globalization over the welfare of our citizens. We embarked upon oil-enriching wars which endanger the lives of innocent people who echo our anguished cry from September 11: “Why do they hate us?”

While we were asking this question, the Bush administration used our grief and anger to propel us into war. Millions have lost jobs. Living from pay-check to pay-check in the wealthiest nation, we are suddenly fearful of losing everything. Unimaginable figures like $87 billion for the continued occupation of Iraq have become reality. Only two candidates, Kucinich and Sharpton, unequivocally said NO to the $87 billion aid package stating that the money was needed to take care of domestic programs at home, rather than to occupy nations and enrich corporations.

Kucinich, Co-Chair of the Progressive Caucus, has been a staunch, consistent, and outspoken leader in the opposition to the Bush Administration and its agenda of war, fear, and greed. He is the only candidate who has presented a clear, detailed and workable plan for ending the conflict while committing money for reparations and US help in reconstruction. US military casualties in Iraq have now exceeded 500, and the media has begun comparing the figure to the number of US dead in Vietnam in 1965 prior to the significant expansion of US operations there. We are out $155 billion already with hundreds of billions at stake if we remain there. Our continued occupation does not bode well for families with loved ones presently serving or with children approaching the draft age. Kucinich sees the solution to the quagmire in which ‘Operation Iraqi freedom’ has trapped us. Kucinich’s plan will phase our troops out and international peace-keeping troops in within 90 days of its implementation and return Iraq to a peaceful order. "US out/UN in"!

For over a year now Kucinich has been telling us that every dollar spent oppressing the Iraqi people to enrich Halliburton is one more dollar taken from the average American’s dinner-table. $87 Billion is money stolen from inner city schools so that the Pentagon can embark on it’s never ending cycle of self-justification. $87 Billion is a lot of money when you can’t find a few million for job retraining programs.

Our domestic programs and safety nets are in disarray. Kucinich proposes a 15% cut in the Pentagon’s swollen budget in order to fully fund domestic priorities here at home. Beginning with what is an undisputed right in almost all industrialized countries-- a universal, single-payer health care plan in which no American would be left behind. Under Kucinich’s plan, phased in over a ten-year period, medical care will be privately delivered but publicly funded. Kucinich is the candidate whose health care plan has been endorsed by the Physicians for National Health Care Program (which published the first major single payer proposal in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1989). The PNHP and Congressman Jim McDermott requested detailed plans from every candidate and examined them- Kucinich’s plan was singled out as "by far the most comprehensive, because it guarantees coverage to all Americans and overhauls the health care finance system. It would also do the best job of controlling costs among the Presidential contenders’ plans." It has also received one of the 2 passing marks from JustHealthCare.

Our trade policies have caused tragic effects on workers, environment and the job market on a global scale. America alone has lost an estimated 3 million jobs to NAFTA and WTO policy. Kucinich is the sole candidate planning to replace NAFTA and the WTO with bilateral trade agreements. Kucinich also addresses economic exploitation in the United States with a proposal to repeal Taft-Hartley: "Workers’ rights are truly human rights whether they be in the Maquila region of Mexico, Saipan or Chinatown in New York City." (Interview, July 25, 2003)

Like John F. Kennedy, Dennis Kucinich grew up in a Catholic home and his position on reproductive rights is one of the most complex and worthy of respect than any of the candidates’. He has nailed women’s rights issues and garnered the support of women’s rights activists and feminists all over the country. He has a true legislative commitment to the concept of "justice." He recognizes that it isn’t "justice" to force women to bear children in the worst of circumstances by removing the final safety net to prevent such a situation. He recognizes that, for women to be truly equal, they must be free to determine when and if they are able to bear and provide for a child. He knows that the current system for caring for unwanted and mistreated children is ineffective and overloaded. What Kucinich understands is that first we must take care of and meet the needs of those who are here, right now, today; we must meet that challenge before moving on to philosophical discussions about the morality of abortion. Ironically, Kucinich was the first candidate pledging not to appoint any judges who will not uphold Roe vs. Wade. (Kerry has since stated the same intention).

Kucinich is the leader we have searched for. He resonates with Truth. He has revived trust and enthused Americans with HOPE. The great American dream we once had is but a memory now; only one candidate has a realistic platform to recapture that dream for all people. His website, www.kucinich.us reads like an encyclopedia of solutions.

No chains are needed around our ankles as long as they can chain our minds and imprison our hopes. No acetylene torch is needed to free ourselves from the chains of our country’s current situation. We can snap the chains, walk through the bars. All we have to do is decide to do it.

Vote Kucinich


But don't confuse caring for weakness
You can't put that label on me
The truth is my weapon of mass protection
And I believe truth sets you free


What Ever Happened to Peace on Earth – Willy Nelson



A collaborative effort by: DiamondSoul, Dover, Dweller, JohnKleeb, Lwolf, Mairead, Rucky, Sweetheart, and Tinoire
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celticartemis Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:00 PM
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19. Wow
Damn, that's pretty convincing! It's been hard for me to see beyond Wes. Thanks.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 05:54 PM
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21. Our hearts are in the same place n/t
;)
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