You do realize that if the mainstream media even mentions the intern story

[ShaneGR]

Kerry would be severely damaged goods?

[David Dunham]

1. nope. it'a bogus story. clinton survived a lot worse stories.

[arewethereyet]

6. and for that reason, its far more significant now

people were OK with being fooled once and then they were just happy to be fattening their wallets for round two. and they've been regretting it ever since.

[krkaufman]

61. Perhaps damaged, but still more competitive

Kerry may be damaged by adulterous perceptions, but he'd still likely be more competitive in the Fall's GE than any of the other remaining candidates -- none of whom have the prerequisite national security experience.

[KaraokeKarlton]

7. Is it?

http://slate.msn.com/id/2095238/

[Cooley Hurd]

16. Mickey Kaus doesn't count...

Really... I'm a Dean supporter, but I really think it stinks that some Democrats here are reveling in this story.

Something like this hurts us all and for any Dem to celebrate this development is wrong... very wrong.

[David Dunham]

24. Kuas Deserves a Big Punch to the Mouth and Then One to the Belly

[regnaD kciN]

43. I see...so, if you don't like someone's opinions, beat them up?

You sound like you're on the wrong message board...aren't you looking for Free something-or-other?

Anyway, please note that Kaus describes the story as "suggestive-but-not-even-close-to-definitive," which qualification sure doesn't sound like the words of a diehard Kerry-hater.

OTOH, further down the same page, Kaus does get in a fully-justified shot at Kerry, which (particularly in his last sentence) echos my own misgivings about the man. Talking about Kerry's Vietnam heroism, he adds:

The Kerry problem is more that these qualities haven't been much displayed in the decades since, when he has been a distinctly non-courageous, positioning, play-it-safe politician. Did he take so many risks in Vietnam he that was determined never to take another risk again? ...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2095238

[fujiyama]

56. Fuck Kaus...

He'll always take an opportunity to bash any dem -- including Dean, who he trashed for months. I heard he was doing the same with Gore on that wreteched Dennis Miller show.

[quaker bill]

49. I agree

It hurts us all. I do not celebrate it.

If true, it does significant damage to our chances in November. This is nothing to celebrate.

[KC21304]

29. Mickey Kaus has been obsessed with Kerry for years.

If he weren't dissing Kerry every day he would have to look for 85% more material.

[foo_bar]

57. great stuff there

Kerry + Lehane = Kerry in trouble!

Clark + no Lehane = Frontrunner!

Kerry - Lehane = The nominee!

Clark + Lehane = Loser who drops out.

[ecstatic]

8. Clinton has charm and personality; Kerry does not

We forgave Clinton because of his record and his personality. Kerry has no real message, he voted for the war, and on top of that, he's an adulterer. If this is true, he should leave the race immediately.

[JVS]

12. Clinton was incumbent. Kerry isn't. Hart is closer to Kerry's situation

[hlthe2b]

19. No, Clinton was accused of the whole Jennifer Flowers affair....

during the election of 1992, not as an incumbent..... Very similar to the current "rumours" Drugde is spinning re: Kerry.

[JVS]

26. Wasn't it fun having to listen to the scandals during the Clinton years?

I know that I could pass on a repeat for the next few years

[hlthe2b]

35. Yes.... I'm damned tired of the Repug's fixation with sex....

but that seems to be the only way they can change the suject away from their own corruption and misdeeds.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. Why? It's just a rumor that DAS GOP started.

.

[Bombtrack]

10. you don't know who started it

And I've heard that it will come like a title wave tomorrow morning

[shivaji]

18. do you mean TIDAL wave?

[w4rma]

58. A wave of article titles!

:P

[JVS]

60. Would that be a titular wave?

Or is the titular wave the wave to which the title of the work refers?

[David Dunham]

33. No Tidal Wave. It's Only a Bogus and False Ripple of a Story

[molly]

3. Nope - it will only help him

[Darwin2002]

4. as long as he doesn't lie about it, he'll be ok, it;s the lying remember,

not the sex

[2004Donkeys]

59. Bush hasn't learned that

n/t

[La_Serpiente]

5. The Republicans can't committ character assasination for his

service during Vietnam, so instead they go after him on this bull shit.

This is going to be one of the ugliest election years on record.

[quinnox]

9. Disagree, it might even help as molly said

Clinton seemed to do pretty well in '92 with the Flowers thing.

[mitchum]

11. Why are so many obsessed with John Kerry's cock?

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[JVS]

17. I am shocked that you don't want us to have our candidate properly vetted!

Or so it would appear from your anger at this issue.
This is to insure that we have the strongest possible candidate. If he cannot handle the heat, he won't be able to beat Bush

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[JVS]

40. This is not about Dean

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[JVS]

51. I cycle avatars. Put this one up a few days ago to show my support

My avatar has no bearing on the issue. It was an astronaut earlier. Besides, changing my avatar just because Kerry is having a bad day could be seen as trying to mask my affiliation. I am proud to support Howard Dean and happy to let anyone see it.

[shivaji]

21. because he swore allegiance of his cock to Mrs Kerry

[mitchum]

28. I have no knowledge of his cock

[liberalhistorian]

13. Really? Didn't seem to harm

Joe "brush the dead intern in my office under the rug" Scarborough, or Newt "served my first wife with divorce papers while she was recovering from cancer surgery and left my second wife for my younger intern" Gingrich, or Neil Bush, or Poppy Bush, or Henry Hyde or Trent Lott, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Oh, wait a minute, those are all REPUBLICANS, which means they can do whatever the hell they want and the "liberal" media will let them get away with it. Okay, I guess you're right, then!!!!!:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[spooky3]

20. good point, Liberalhistorian!!!

[JVS]

23. Yup. Democrats need to be squeaky clean on this issue.

It really isn't that much to expect either.

[David Dunham]

34. Rove Would Nail Dean For Skiing on His "Deferment"

[JVS]

38. He has the documents to show it being legitimate.

Is there a deferment for obeying voluntary marriage vows?

[mitchum]

42. Sure, it's called an arrangement

[JVS]

44. Does their marriage contract contain said arrangement?

And do you think that would fly in middle America? It would make him unelectable

[mitchum]

47. Why don't you ask them...

since you're so concerned about their marriage?

Give it up

[JVS]

52. I am only concerned about the Kerry's electability as our candidate.

I look forward to his statements on this issue. Hell, maybe it's all nothing, but even if it is nothing he should put this issue to rest quickly

[Dookus]

22. good thing you started another thread on it!

we almost forgot about this.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

27. yup.

cnn wouldnt say the word "Torricelli" yesterday either. it was some fundraising guy.

they spun it back at dean.

that story has wheels i think too.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. All they have is someone saw a woman leave Kerry's apt late at night?

Hardly much evidence....

[David Dunham]

36. Excellent Post

[GodHelpUsAll2]

48. Folks wise up.............

You may not want to give the Drudge report any creidt and think this is all false GOP BS but the drudge report is who broke the Monica story and it got Clinton impeached. This could be very very bad.

[KaraokeKarlton]

50. Nope, that's an entirely different woman

I heard someone else say that there is supposedly a tape of Kerry and the intern. If that's the case, he's sunk big time. Not only that, but his wife will boot him out the door. Can't say I'd blame her.

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[Walt Starr]

37. I would leave Fox out of that statement

Fox has reported numerous falsehoods not picked up by the rest of what's deamed to be "mainstream media".

The only way this story has legs is if somebody other than NE or Druge are sourced.

[MoonRiver]

41. Why? Americans aren't crazed puritanicals. Plus it hasn't been proven.

I think Democrats who are pushing this story have some serious soul searching to do. I feel very sad right now. We're on the verge of taking the presidency, possibly by a landslide having major Senate and House coattails. Yet we seem most interested in undermining each other for petty partisan objectives.

[quaker bill]

46. It will not help him

"Clinton got by on this"

No he did not. Remember, Clinton won because Ross Perot, a cranky little billionare with personal issues against George H W Bush pulled 19 percent of the vote and at a ratio of over 2:1 it came from repugs and other likely Bush voters.

Clinton only got 43 percent of the vote in 1992. Were it not for Ross Perot, Clinton would have lost by 2 to 3 percent.

Beyond this, what if Kerry wins in spite of this? The repugs will be just that much more inspired to pound on him like they did with Clinton.

I see no way that this turns out pretty.

[Nicholas_J]

53. Drudge says that the mainstream media has already investigated

These allegations, but not one word of it in the mainstream media, over 4 days since Clark made the allegations to a dozen reporters in the mainstream media.(Drudge claims that the Associated Press, the Washinton Post, and ABC News have already investigated the allegations:

Center of the storm is a woman who was recently told to flee out of the US by Kerry. TIME, ABC NEWS, the WASHINGTON POST and the ASSOCIATED PRESS are said to have investigated her disappearence and the nature of her relationship to Kerry.

http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=36936&u_id=56352&CFID=62801&CFTOKEN=74745655

No other source but a British Paper (the Independent) has mentioned the Drudge allegations, and they state that Drudge has said the alleged intern is in "Africa" of course, a place where the media would have the hardest time locating anyone, due to the extreme backwardsness of the communiations on that continent, except for a few areas.

Drudge makes the statement that a friend of the woman alleged to be involved approached the media a year ago. Old news.

[John_H]

54. Do you realize that if Edwards is the nominee, we'll lose?

[okieinpain]

55. found this on fark.comm, appears that story was out last week

http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/000780.html

I find it funny, are people going to take a second look at dean. I'm not a big kerry fan, but edwards would be worse.