They DID cave! And I'm Disgusted!

[The Rogue]

... and the last paragraph of the story quotes George W. Bush:
"For America," Bush said, "the decision we face in Iraq is not whether we ought to take sides in a civil war, it's whether we stay in the fight against the same international terrorist network that attacked us on 9/11."

WTF??? What was the election all about? The more we give in to this delusional dangerous moron, the worse he gets. Did we all work that hard to win last November just to continue enabling this despicable incompetent tyrant? What was THIS all about?

I am thoroughly disgusted!

[EV_Ares]

1. Yes, they absolutely did cave -- Again. N/T.

[rodeodance]

2. I tried to make that clear in a post last night and got ignored or dissed.

[EV_Ares]

9. I don't understand that either, being dissed. Our party has always been

one of diversity and different viewpoints but I felt a party of fairness and openness. I enjoy and respect hearing other opinions myself.

However, back to this post, they did cave. We realize they did not get the votes to override the veto but that was not a big surprise.

I think they should have done what John Edwards said. Send the bill for the funding of the troops back and again put the timetable for withdrawal on it. To me, it is then Bush who is stopping the funding. However, it takes guts and a stand to do that of which it appears the Dem leaders do not have.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

18. The same John Edwards that didn't provide tough leadership when

he was actually a Senator, and the same John Edwards that has the luxury of not actually being a part of the Senate now that he makes such proposals.

It's a lot easier to talk when you don't have to walk.

[EV_Ares]

22. Regardless, if he is not in the senate now, he is a candidate and

at least he has a better idea than what the Dem leadership is doing.

[Bandit]

26. So you agree they should give Bush* his war money?

What difference does it matter what Edwards says? As yopu say he is not in any position to effect change. What did your candidate do?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. My candidate opposed it from the beginning from the safety of the sidelines.

And I fully realize that Al Gore had that benefit in his opposition to the war.

[ClassWarrior]

30. It doesn't matter how they end it. With this bill or another way.

It amazes me how the children around here hold their breath and stomp their feet when they don't get something their way and right now.

NGU.

[ChipsAhoy]

41. You'll find that on this board

there are some "members" who demand everyone to walk in total lockstep. You'd think they were on a Repug board or something. Totally hypocritical.

[snappyturtle]

3. I'm sorry but WHO caved and to What? nt

[TheZoo]

4. How?

Even if every Democratic Congressperson voted to override the Veto, was there enough support on the other side?

[The Rogue]

5. Caved!

They need to send a bill with withdrawal dates right back to the S.O.B.!

[EV_Ares]

7. Absolutely, which is what John Edwards is advocating. Send it right

back to him.

[TheZoo]

11. Okay...

Shrub vetoes it, then what?

I'm NOT being defeatest, but what'st he point of sending the bill back when it will get vetoed again? Wasting more time that could be devoted to something else? He's going to recall the troops probably late next year when it's politically beneficial to his party (not the GOP, the CON-GOP).

[Greyhound]

24. It's not a waste of time, they are still working on dozens of things that

we don't hear about because this and the mass-murder in Iraq are the designated distractions. For example, they have http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=adqwxt08ML2Q&refer=us">passed a bill that allows corporations to steal other people's work and, if they get caught, caps how much they will have to pay regardless of the worth of the idea/invention.

They are ready to increase the number of H-1(b) visas so that corporations will not have raise pay for the qualified Americans that need the jobs, and many other great ideas that screw us with the desired result of their corporate campaign contributions have nearly doubled from the last cycle.

BTW, he's never going to recall the troops, that is a fantasy. His sponsors are all making record profits in their various industries and will demand this continue until the very last dog is hung, or in this case shot/blown up.

[Bandit]

27. How in the world do you think Bush* plans on withdrawing troops?

You do know they have built at least fourteen Permanent bases and the largest Embassy the world has ever seen. What about the word Permanent don't you understand?

[enough already]

12. No, we should send back NOTHING!

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Bush vetoed the funding. It's over. There's no more money and Bush has to either bring them home or let them die. His war, his choice. Unless we cave, which we are going to do.

[Dhalgren]

6. Would anyone care to explain what we are talking about?

I could just start a thread saying anything off the top of my head, but who'd know what I was talking about?

[cosmik debris]

20. The Dem Leadership caved in on Iraq occupation funding

As soon as * said no, Pelosi went to plan B. If he vetoes plan B, we have no plan C. That's what this is all about.

[babylonsister]

8. So nice to have you back on DU to bash Dems. Is that the only

time you visit?

:eyes:

[lazer47]

10. Kinda like Roaches in the closet,, thanks for shinning the light on this

[gratuitous]

13. Another bill has been passed already?

Gee, I must have missed that. There's a lot of talk, no doubt, but there hasn't been another bill passed by both houses of Congress and sent to the President. Talk of "caving" is premature; though I have no doubt that many voices in the popular media would like the gullible and the weak-minded to be persuaded that the Democrats "caved" to the manly manliness of Commander Bunnypants. And many of those folks will make hysterical statements as if it were true.

And then, of course, there are the concern trolls, who will worry overmuch about how all of this plays directly into the Republicans' hands, but they're just getting warmed up right now. We'll see them soon enough.

[NavyDavy]

16. agreed.....i truly hate concern trolls and the so called "dems"

who attack our reps before they have time to regroup.......like in december when they were attacking our reps b 4 we even took control.....bastards!!!

[zulchzulu]

31. I wish more energy went into inventing some gizmo that makes votes out of thin air...

Perhaps we can all chip in so some people can take a Civics 101 class...yunno, the one where people can see that in order for legislation to pass, you need these little things called "votes".

Or better yet, going down to the local library and start looking up how you can make something from Radio Shack parts that makes votes out of thin air...we need 20 or so to make legislation veto-proof. How hard can it be?

:think:

[ClassWarrior]

14. So Bush/Cheney**'s incoherent babbling is proof the Dems caved?

:eyes:

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

15. Why is there no info in your profile, btw?

NGU.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. Because, as was stated earlier, The Rogue is only here to bash Dems. (nt)

[mtnsnake]

23. I looked at his or her posts & I don't see how you can come to that conclusion

and there are plenty of posters with a huge number of posts under their belts who have no profile of themselves available.

Just becasue the Rogue doesn't have many posts chalked up yet, it doesn't mean he or she isn't just venting about Dems like everyone else.

[ClassWarrior]

25. Oh, I agree... There are plenty of Dem-bashing trolls with high post counts.

Just means their sneakier.

NGU.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

28. Considering that you're usually on the "bash Dems" bandwagon,

I'm not surprised with your response.

[mtnsnake]

36. If anything, I usually take grief for sticking up for our Dems. Your simply full of

VASH. Now run along vashy boy. *tsk* *tsk* <SNARK>

[EV_Ares]

32. Well, I am not a rogue and I am not here to bash dems. If it is

hard for you for someone to have another opinion or differ from your take on this, I can't help that. However, I have always found a difference of opinions ususally brings to the table the best of all views. It should anyway. I have no problem with how you look at this and would hope that you would give me & others who differ from you the same respect.

[mtnsnake]

37. Don't pay any attention to him. Some people just like to rain on your parade.

Just do your own thing. ;)

[meldroc]

17. Snakes or worms.

That's the choice we the people get in the election - either vicious vipers who'll bite us in the back again and again while smiling to our faces, or spineless worms who pretend to fight the vipers, but in reality cow to them.

A pox on both your houses, you god damned quisling sons of bitches.

[mtnsnake]

21. You rang?

C'mon now. If we got snakes, we'd be constricting the life out of the repukes and life would be good.

What we got wasn't snakes, it was chameleons! Our Dems look like one thing when they're talking the talk and another when they're supposed to walk the walk. That, or spineless worms, as you suggest.

[ClassWarrior]

33. So how does it feel to get bashed in the teeth by the Corporate Media again??

:rofl:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/05/pelosis_office.php

NGU.

[ChipsAhoy]

34. I share your disgust.

This is not the first time I've been terribly let down by "my party." There are days I feel like removing myself from anything political because it's always a let down. I feel like we've taken a step forward and then slide back 2-3 steps. Aggravating and exhausting!

[polichick]

35. Ditto

Gutlessness reigns supreme in DC.

[knight_of_the_star]

38. Piss off you damn troll

And read up on the issue in question. Pelosi and Reid's offices have already stated that, guess what, the WaPo story saying the Dems are backing off is entirely fictitious and untrue. But then again you don't seem to care about that. I wonder why most of the posters acting as the Greek Chorus to this bullshit are under five hundred posts total, maybe they don't want real Democrats to keep our resolve and stab our own representatives in the back.

[polichick]

39. I don't know about trolls here...

I don't know anyone here at all, but as a lifelong Democrat who has volunteered for many candidates over the years, I think the Dems "backed off" before they even took power ~ by taking impeachment off the table. And imo they shouldn't even be talking about spending one more penny on the war. Thus, my "gutless" comment.

[ChipsAhoy]

40. You appear to be the troll, sir.

Quick to anger and closed to others opinions. Get ahold of yourself.