So, the GOP is making Abortion their big topic?

[leftyladyfrommo]

Jeesh. What a copout.

I'm not so sure they will get the reaction they want out of this topic. Last time the GOP made a big deal out of family values and morality issues. Conservative voters fell for it. And got snookered big time. The result was that one of the most immoral administrations in history took over.

Besides, as a woman I am really sick of hearing a bunch of men expound on a woman's right to choose. That is one issue that should be debated and handled by women.

I wish all women would simply stop having sex with men. Really. Until science comes up with some sort of birth control that is 100% effective. Actually, men should be forced to used birth control so no unwanted pregnancies can occur. Then abortion would simply be a non-issue. All children would be wanted children.

[BOSSHOG]

1. I'm totally fascinated

by a dais of crusty old farts shaking their fists and demanding more brutal killings and blown up bodies in Iraq and yet piously caring about fetuses of women they do not know and do not care about. The gop and its members and supporters are totally and completely devoid of anything approaching a value.

[bdamomma]

2. GOP platform, abortion and gays, looks like things haven't

changed huh?

[baldguy]

3. "We're against abortion..."

"...but we support policies that cause more women to seek them, and we won't do anything to make them illegal."

[leftyladyfrommo]

5. I know, I know. It is unbelievable.

I don't ever pay one bit of attention to anything a man says about the abortion issue.

[bluethruandthru]

4. When the candidates were asked how they

would feel if Roe V. Wade was overturned, I thought they were going to break into the "Hallelujah Chorus"! Scary how many of our so-called leaders think they should be allowed to make our medical decisions for us.

[azurnoir]

6. So why is anyone surprised

How many times during the '04 election did we read people saying they would vote for Bush because he was against abortion, these stupid trogs don't seem to realize that it will never be totally outlawed because then the pukes would lose their money shot.

[auburngrad82]

7. Just tell their "base" that they've had 6 yrs to ban abortion but haven't

Why not? Because if they do they lose the one thing they can depend on to get out the vote. If they really wanted to ban abortion they would have tried before they lost control of the House and Senate.

[THUNDER HANDS]

8. well, I mostly agree with you

except for this part:

"Besides, as a woman I am really sick of hearing a bunch of men expound on a woman's right to choose. That is one issue that should be debated and handled by women."

Women wouldn't have the constitutional right to an abortion if it wasn't for men being part of the debating process. Any issue, even womens issues, should have men included in the debate. That is, however, different than saying that an individual man (like a husband, boyfriend or father) should have a say as to whether an individual woman can have an abortion.

[Captain_Nemo]

9. Let's start putting a "male" face on the abortion argument.

You know, like talking about how men should stop having sex unless they are willing to pay support - or they should help women more by not outting them in the position of having an unwanted pregnancy.

I too was digusted by listening to all those white men talk about overturning Roe v. Wade. It was an abomination.

Every time abortion is mentioned turn the tables and put it back on men. Reframe the debate.

[SharonAnn]

13. Make all men give DNA sample, keep it on file, then they help support any child

they father.

Many ways to force this DNA sample. They have no right to "privacy" regarding their DNA if we don't have the right to "privacy" of our wombs.

When men have to register for the draft, when they get a driver's license, any professional license or certification, job application, etc. They would have to show that they have their DNA on file with the Federal Child Support Agency.

And, if they don't support their child then they're imprisoned in work camps. If they don't have a job, then this will give them one. At least they'll be working to support their child.

Face it, many abortions would be avoided if women knew that their children would be supported.

[Captain_Nemo]

15. Great idea about the DNA. How do we get this into the mainstream?

[JerseygirlCT]

14. Men can provide financial support, but the fact is, until

science makes it possible for men to actually carry the pregnancy, they cannot take on the really tough job. Which is why the decision should always, always, always stay with the woman concerned. No one but that particular woman is qualified to make that particular decision.

So far as the bigger picture, this shouldn't be something up for discussion. Women ought to control their own bodies, period.

[Captain_Nemo]

16. I see what your saying - I am trying to find a way to give u the "male" image of repsonsibility.

Every time aboriton is mentioned you have an "image" of a female. I understand it is or body but it is not solely our resposibility. That sperm came from somewhere. And, it needs to be monitored. There are no checks and balances on it. They can just flaunt about shooting sperm all willy nilly with no repercussions.

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Oh I know. It just frustrates me, I suppose. There just isn't an

equivalent.

No matter what, women will always be the ones with the big responsibility. It's her life, her health... no matter what strictures we put on men, they'll never be asked to carry the same burdens. (Nor on the other side, will they ever know the same joys).

Legally speaking, there really isn't any way to make the situation "equal", though I completely agree with you about responsibility.

[Captain_Nemo]

19. so maybe reframing the debate to include men would be interesting

How do you think they will react if we start talking about men having to do DNA tests when they have sex so we can have a record for when the babies are born.
They would complain about it being a violation of provacy.

[JerseygirlCT]

21. LOL, yes, I imagine they would! nt

[Old and In the Way]

10. If men could have babies, abortion would be treated as a sacrament,

I have no doubts that this would be true.

[polichick]

11. Bunch of throwbacks!

Watching the debate, I imagined them all belonging to the Christian men's group that insists man is the ruler of the household. Guys like this are all about FEAR imo ~ anyone who threatens their throne of entitlement must be managed.

[AtomicKitten]

12. abortion, guns, and gays

the mother's milk of GOP politics :crazy:

[mtnsnake]

18. The great majority of Americans is pro-choice and always will be

so let the repukes make it an issue. They'll get hammered for it.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. They always have

They always will.


But they will never, ever actually ban abortion. There's too much money in it and it is a great rallying point.

I suspect some of those in the anti-choice movement may be on to this trick- after all, they had control for what, 16 years?

[slackmaster]

22. It would be great if the GOP did just that

We could run just about anyone and beat them.

[elizm]

23. A Republican friend of mine...

said to me just this week that she would vote for a Democrat this time if she/he were Pro-Life. It is surprising how many people vote on just this single issue. And yes, I'm trying to help her see the light, but at this point I am still losing the battle.

[leftyladyfrommo]

24. People tend to be abnormally passionate about this issue.

They see themselves as champions for the helpless little babies.

I wish they would turn that passion around and be champions for the millions of children who die each year from starvation and disease and neglect and war. It sure would make a lot more sense.

You know what else I find strange - a lot of these people advocate for human life but could care less about animal life. We get letters to our paper all the time from pro-life people who complain that others spend money on animals when they should be spending it on people. Like someohow if you care about animal life you do not care about human life. I find that very odd.