Anyone Else Believes Repubs are Using Dems In Slime Operation?

[Sensitivity]

All the redundant, recycled discussion about unsubstantiated gutter rumors is disgusting and sick collaboration with the repubs.

Anyone listening to the punditry on Cable knows that the Republicans have launched emergency operations to slime and diminished John Kerry. It is as if they are all reading from a story book of inventions crafted of half-truths that none of them believes but everyone is willing to say.

And that doesn’t include the Drudge slime that is being spread around. For that the Repubs are using specialized called channels called democratic chat forums and blogs. It is not just here, democrats at other forums are doing it too along with the usual suspects.

I have no doubt that it was word that new Polls were coming out showing Kerry trouncing Bush is the reason why the RNC and Rove started to circulate smear stories. With ABC showing Kerry 51 to 43 over Bush we have now reached 3 weeks of Kerry dominance that has the repugs near meltdown. Then Democrats come to the rescue and start tearing up our own.

I am totally ashamed of my fellow Dems who are doing this. It is sick, disgusting and makes me feel that all the talk against the war, of social causes and taking our country back was just phony political games.

BTW, we were winning this thing.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/US/bush_public_approval_poll_040212.html

A New Low
Bush Job Approval Dogged By WMD Questions, Economy and John Kerry

Analysis
By Gary Langer



Feb. 12— President Bush is at a low point in public approval, his popularity depressed by questions about the Iraq war, continued economic frustration and public interest in his leading Democratic rival, an ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll finds.
…………
For the first time, fewer than half of Americans now say the war with Iraq was worth fighting. Fifty-seven percent disapprove of Bush's performance in terms of job creation. And John Kerry leads him in a head-to-head match-up, 51 percent to 43 percent, although the Massachusetts senator's support is noticeably softer.

[Guaranteed]

1. I'm not sure I see this...

To be honest with you, it seems to me that most DUers haven't "dogged" Kerry about the alleged affair. No one's holding it against him. The only thing that DUers have been saying is that if it's true, it would hurt him really badly (which is, of course, true), and maybe we should rethink what we're doing. That's not to say that all DUers support Kerry for the nomination- a good portion of them certainly don't. But I don't think they're using this as an issue against him. I hate Kerry, and I don't even really care to talk about this issue. I just don't care.

This is Karl Rove's doing, pure and simple. I think you oughta look to him, if you want to be angry.

[WiseMen]

8. They did is with the "Special Interest" slime first. Dean ran with it. Now

that it has become credible in the public mind (even though totally
refuted by Public Citizen) the Repubs are releasing their Ad
campaign basically paraphrasing Dean.

I predict that certain endorsers are going to be Publicly withdrawing
in protest.

[ibegurpard]

19. I don't remember you defending Dean against Democratic attacks for

"liar for misrepresenting his dead brother's MIA status", "draft-dodger for a legitimate exemption", "we are no safer with Saddam captured", "unbecoming "screams"", et al. ad nauseum.

[leftyandproud]

2. Unfortunately, this is NOT the work of the pukes..

I think...as someone on CNN said last night, this is the democratic party participating in a circular firing squad. Everyone wants to win by killing (politically) the other guys...but in the end, they all get maimed by each other...They all lose, and in the process of trying to take each other out, they are giving the pubs plenty of ammo to fire later in the game when they do decide to step up to the plate.

nasty situation for us any way you look at it..
the front runners are getting sniped by the losers..

my prediction...Kerry takes a huge hit in the polls over the next few weeks...Edwards wins a few primaries...then they start sniping Edwards...

who we will end up with?
I don't know.

[seventhson]

3. We end up with Edwards and Dean and Kucinich

and that makes me very pleased.

[pezcore64]

13. ah yes

a dream come true for any real democrat!

[WiseMen]

7. Unfortunately as nasty case of "working for the enemy"

[The Magistrate]

21. Indeed, Sir

The ultra-left is busying itself just now with doing the work of the ultra-right. It is odd how often throughout history this apparently peculiar conjunction has occured. There is a reason Lenin wrote a monograph titled "Left Wing Communism, An Infantile Disorder".

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Adelante]

10. Right-o, not Repukes, our own pukes

The Drudge item blaming Lehane quoted Craig Crawford, a former Democratic operative who now works as a consultant and columnist for MSNBC. Within 10 minutes after Drudge posted the Kerry intern item, Crawford sent a memo to his superiors that said the story was "something Chris Lehane (clark press secy) has shopped around for a long time." According to Crawford, someone at MSNBC promptly leaked his memo to Drudge. But when Lehane called Crawford with a loudly indignant denial, the MSNBC columnist quickly issued a public retraction. He said:

"The comments attributed to me are from a private email to television news associates based on conversations with Democratic campaign operatives. I did not consider any of it confirmed enough to report or publish. I can only verify that Chris Lehane's rivals in other Democratic campaigns made these claims and I have found no independent source to confirm it. Which is why we did not go with the story. But then someone sent my email to others, which is the only reason it got into the public domain." In other words, there is no proof that Lehane circulated the rumor, let alone that the rumor has any basis in reality.

Source: Joe Conason, Salon, 2/13/04

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. tweety held pat caudell's feet to the fire until he confirmed the

lehane atribution. lehane was also the person to whom it was credited when i heard about it monday night.

[seventhson]

4. Dean has been the victim of absurd and meaningless slimey hits

and it was coming from (allegedly) Kerry supporters (re: the Osama ads financed by Kerry supporter Torricelli)

If this is true then Kerry deserves for ALL of us to slime him IMHO for betraying our trust. IF it is true he deserves what he gets and he has slimed himself by his infidelity which reflects badly on all Dems.

Once again the immoral pecadilloes of the very rich demonstrate that they think they can cheat any way they want to.

I have believed this about Kerry for years.

If he lies to his wife he will lie to all of us.

Unlike Clinton, who had some integrity with respect to humanity, I think Kerry is totally self-serving.

That is why I am hoping the story s true and that Kerry is toast.

I would feel the same if it were Dean or Edwards pretty much.

Kucinch I would give a pass to. I kinda wish DK was getting lucky once in a while. After all, DK was homeless once. Kerry always had a mansion or two. And a very very very wealthy and pretty wife.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Why Would You Want The Story Want To Be True?

Why Would You Want Kerry to have broken his marriage vows with a twenty something intern who was in is his charge?

Why would you want the worst to be true?

Why?


Peace04

Brian

[WiseMen]

12. Are you saying this is a undercover retaliation? Be clear.

[The Magistrate]

20. You Know Perfectly Well, Mr. Son

There is no evidence linking Sen. Kerry to those advertisements. There is only self-serving assertion by his opponents. The group itself is a Republican front. Sen. Torricelli was a supporter of Rep. Gephardt at the time. At least two persons who donated to Gov. Dean also gave funds to the group that paid for the advertisements. Perhaps this proves Gov. Dean is behind those advertisements? Perhaps he thought it would give him a sympathetic backlash, to be attacked like that?

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[WiseMen]

25. Wonder if the DU attacks on Kerry will stop. Or just other angle.

[The Magistrate]

27. They Will Probably Continue, Sir

"If a man will continue to insist two and two do not make four, I know of nothing in the power of argument that will stop up his mouth."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[WiseMen]

6. The Whole Thing is a Disease. It is Unspeakably Evil. I Feel that

some in the Party really want the repub deadly regime to continue
if they can't have what they want.

[edzontar]

18. Oh irony, oh chickens coming home to roost....

Where is thy sting?

[Sensitivity]

9. The Whole thing is mking us look bad, as a movement and a Party

[Sensitivity]

11. I am TOTALLY ASHAMED. Leaving for some air.

[mmonk]

14. That's my position

They know precisely how to play people. I'm not paranoid about this. It's the politics of personal destruction first introduced to the scene by Lee Atwater.

[nightperson]

15. Wow.

Thank you very much to another Dean supporter. To Dean supporters and others who are staying in the sanity zone on this: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: .

[edzontar]

16. If so, it is nothing new. I complained about this months ago...

When Dean was target number one.

The crickets chirped, the threads stayed up, and my cries of outrage fell on deaf ears.


So pardon me if I just do not care anymore.

[West Coast Democrat]

17. I think it's Karl Rove because of the timing

not just because Bush is getting creamed by the press, but also because we now have a "pronounced" nominee.

There's not much time left in the primary season for these salacious rumors to hurt Kerry's absolute frontrunner status, but plenty of time for the angry supporters of losing candidates to jump onboard the slime brigade, helping to spread the rumors to the voter base.

[WiseMen]

22. No doubt it is Rove. But he make it look as if from Dem and Uses Dems

to spread it and give it credibility across the net.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. Yes. I read DU everyday and it confirms my suspicions

[genius]

26. Absolutely.

Look at the postings in this forum.