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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:11 PM
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Hazelton, PA and Farmers Branch, TX: Howl all ya want ...... it is BIGOTRY
One makes English the legal language (and *may* go to outlawing the 'harboring of illegal aliens'). The other one institutes draconian fines for anyone who fails to check the citizenship/legality of their tenants.

Yeah ..... I know ..... 'illegals' are criminals.

This is pure xenophobia and bigotry. A search for an enemy. White supremacy. Legalized segregation.

Once a town shows itself to be unfriendly to people with other than white skin, the dark skinned people - legal and otherwise - will go elsewhere.

Game. Set. Match.

Flame me if you want, but I can not see this kind of shit as anything but bigotry.

If anyone is SOOOOOO fucking concerned about keeping Mexicans in Mexico, do something about Mexico. Do something about the employers who CAUSE these people to know they can make money here, working their asses off.

Will anyone be checking an obviously Anglo renter's citizenship?

Will a legally emigrated ..... I dunno ....... Estonian who doesn't speak English be checked? Shunned for their lack of language skills?

Give me a break.

Were the countless programs of tearing down slums and moving the 'slum dwellers' across the border to the town next door effective? Was calling it 'urban renewal' effective in masking it?

Bigotry is obvious. Rationalizations are exactly that.

/End of rant
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:13 PM
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1. Tell Hazleton's crackers
to stop speaking Italian ... then they'll just cover their ears.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:15 PM
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2. I grew up Italian ........
Italians are no more or less immune to being bigots than any other group.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:18 PM
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3. You can say anything you want...
as long as you say it in 'Merican.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:25 PM
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4. Oh for crying out loud.
Stop it. Isn't flamebaiting specifically against the DU rules?

This is what is so exasperating about the immigration "debate."

There is no debate.

Someone like you accuses anyone against illegal immigration of being racist.

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Just switch on the broken record...

This is getting tiresome.

Oh, by the way, if someone came here legally, whether from Estonia or anywhere else, end of problem--they're legal.

I guess you're against the whole concept of immigration law.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:37 PM
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5. If its flamebaiting, then alert on it
Where did I call you or anyone else anything? This is how I see it and that's that.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:39 PM
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6. 100% agreed
It is a trap. If you have any legitimate concerns about the negatives that may follow open borders you are considered a racist.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:57 PM
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8. Where did I espouse open borders?
Edited on Mon May-14-07 04:11 PM by Husb2Sparkly
Assumption on your part.

Edit:

In fact, to go a bit further and to be even more clear ......

1. I have no problem with securing our borders. As long as it is even handed. Where, for example, is the Northern fence?

2. These kinds of laws are born of bigotry. Anyone with a brain has to admit that banning people in a little town here or there does absolutely nothing except foment hate. If you want to pass laws, do it nationally. No state is free of undocumented people .... of numerous nationalities and ethnicities. The issue is FAR bigger than these two towns.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 06:54 PM
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9. Why do all your posts
leave no option for disagreement? "Anyone with a brain" for instance. Why, if I think that there might be a problem with a glut of any immigration group into a region where it might cause some problems, does it make anyone a racist or a bigot? I would feel the same way about any group be they of European, Asian, African or Latino background. I do not agree with the expression of the displeasure by people in the region who may very well be bigots, but you make it sound that we have to accept everyone from everywhere all the time. That type of thinking is brainless, is on the other end of the spectrum and shows no real foresight. This is just an opportunity for you to throw stones, name call and feel superior.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:52 PM
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13. Because this **isn't** about immigration.
It **is** about an ill concieved law in one little bedroom town in Tejas and one in Pennsylvania. Neither of these two towns, no matter what they do, will have one iota of impact on the real problems.

I am not a pro-open border person and I am not one to look the other way when laws are broken. But stopping the flow of illegals and upholding the rule of law are just cover for these two xenophobic-to-their-core laws.

**That's** why I say it as I say it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:51 PM
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7. I have a problem with anyone..
who believes the 'problem' is with the 'immigrants'. I mean...I just find it really hard to believe that the U.S. government can spy on anyone, anywhere in the world, and yet millions of people 'sneak' across the border every day. Why is that?..and why is it that the government can continue to spend billions of dollars on detention centers, but they can't afford to secure the border? My answer, is because it's cost effective, to acquire 'captive-labor'. So many people bitch about jobs going over-seas, or immigrants taking American's jobs away from them...but nobody bitches about the jobs going to the prison industry..or the money being made by private prison companies to build and run all our new detention centers needed to lock up those human beings who 'sneak' over the border. The whole thing is pretty sick if you ask me.
A Report on the Injustice System in the USA
Written by: Pauline (a contributing writer to IPFG’s Publication; Payaam Fadaee)
Published in Payame Fadaee, Spring edition 2002
http://www.ashrafdehghani.com/articles-eng...
The US ruling class has established the largest forced labour sweatshop system in the world. There are now approximately 2 million inmates in US prisons compared to 1 million in 1994. These prisoners have become a source of billions of dollars in profits. In fact, the US has imprisoned a half million more people than in China which has 5 times the population. California alone has the biggest prison system in the Western industrialized world. It has more prisoners than France, Germany, Great Britain, Japan and Holland combined while these countries have 11 times the population of California. According to official figures, Iran incarcerates 220 citizens per 100,000, compared to US figures of 727. Overall, the total "criminal justice" system in the US, including those in prison, on parole and on probation, is approaching 6,000,000. In the last 20 years, 1000 new prisons have been built; yet they hold double their capacity.

Prisoners, 75% of who are either Black or Hispanic, are forced to work for 20 cents an hour, some even as low as 75 cents a day. They produce everything from eyewear and furniture to vehicle parts and computer software. This has lead to thousands of layoffs and the lowering of the overall wage scale of the entire working class. At Soledad Prison in California, prisoners produce work-shirts exported to Asia as well as El Salvadoran license plates more cheaply than in El Salvador, one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. A May/99 report in the Wall Street Journal summarized that while “more expensive private-sector workers may lose their jobs to prison labour, assigning work to the most cost-efficient producer is good for the economy.” The February/00 Wall Street Journal reported “Prisoners are excluded from employment calculation. And since most inmates are economically disadvantaged and unskilled, jailing so many people has effectively taken a big block of the nation's least-employable citizens out of the equation.”

Federal Prison Industries (FPI) whose trade name is UNICOR exportsFPI's prison workforce produces 98% of the entire US market for equipment assembly services, 93% of paint and artist brushes, 92% of all kitchen assembly services, 46% of all personal armour, 36% of all household furnishings and 30% of all headset/microphone/speakers, etc. RW. Feb/00 FPI consistently advertises for companies "interested in leasing a ready-to-run prison industry" especially following congressional testimony in 1996 that reported a "pent-up demand for prison labour." Meanwhile, shareholders profiting from prison labour consistently lobby for the legislation of longer prison sentences in order to expand their workforce. At least 37 states have legalized the contracting out of prison labour to private corporations that have already set up operations inside state prisons. Prisons' business clients include: IBM, Boeing, Motorola Microsoft, AT&T Wireless, Texas Instruments, Dell, Compaq, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Nortel, Lucent Technologies, 3Com, Intel, Northern Telecom, TWA, Nordstrom, Revlon, Macys, Pierre Cardin, Target Stores, etc.
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California, with the third largest penal system in the world after China and the US as a whole, spends more on prisons than on the entire educational system. In recent years, California's university and college system cut back 8,000 employees while its Department of Corrections added 26,000. CA has built 19 prisons vs. 1 university in the past 10 years. The state spends up to $60,000 per year to incarcerate a young person, while only spending $8,000 per year to educate the same youth. Politicians in the state debate whether the death penalty should be applied to 13-year-olds or whether it should be applied "only" to those 14 and up. And new proposals to construct mega-prisons that would hold up to 20,000 inmates each is ‘justified’ by David Myers, West Coast regional president of the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest private prison corporation in the US. He told a reporter that he is building 3 new prisons entirely on speculation because "If you build it in the right place, the prisoners will come. RW. Dec/00 http://journals.democraticunderground.com/stillcool47
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 06:55 PM
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10. Right
Amerika is bad, immigrants is good. Great logic. Why do they have to be one or the other in your mind?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:31 PM
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11. wow...
I can't imagine how you got to Amerika is bad, immigrants is good. We must not read the same language.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:50 PM
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12. so you advocate exploitation of cheap under-the-table labor
by corporate America??????? Cause that's what illegal immigrants are, profits for corporate America at the expense of working Americans and the immigrants themselves, who lose out on the protections that American life affords.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:54 PM
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14. Nope, not one bit.
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