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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:16 PM
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Apparently both Larry Flynt and Al Sharpton have more class than most of DU.
Edited on Tue May-15-07 05:19 PM by saracat
Both have expressed sympathy to the family of Falwell .Neither have engaged in this disgusting display of glee over a death. Talk about finding a way to make ourselves look worse than the other side! This behavior drives those people who might otherwise be persuaded to the liberal philosophy away.This "celebration" makes liberals of all stripes look juvenile and vindictive.We have just given ammunition to the hateful Hannity to use against us.I am disgusted but I suppose this too shall pass.Hate in ANY form is not tolerable.It is not fitting that so much hatred be spewed on DU. I thought that was exclusive to FR but I am obviously wrong.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:18 PM
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1. I agree with you..
get ready to be attacked though, for having the total gall to point out how bad this makes us look.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:23 PM
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7. I suppose I will but I am getting used to it. It seems some think we can win elections by resorting
name calling and vindictive behavior. Insulting amd marginalizing thoser whose ideas don't match our own always works so well! As a feminist, I am no fan of Falwell but simple manners and a respect for myself dictate that I behave with some sense of decorum.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. Well, some think we can win elections
And others worry about what looks right.

Why am I not surprised to see you have a Kerry avatar? Now there's someone with a lot of class. His concession speech was very inspiring, don't you think?

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:55 PM
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39. You prove my point.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:27 AM
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97. I agree, it looks bad adn as a point of decency we should have some respect for the dead
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:20 PM
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2. Liberals need fire in their belly
They need righteous anger, and they should be angry. Anger sometimes expresses itself in impolite ways. So be it. It's time to be angry. And sometimes that calls for letting off steam.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:25 PM
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12. I agree Liberals need "fire in their belly" but this is NOT the way to ignite it.
Hate is counterproductive to the values we say we represent. That is the purview of such as Rev.Phelps.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:41 PM
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29. Our country is severely divided, so this is inevitable.
Unfortunately, if you want to take back Middle America, you'll have to do it by showing outrage and passion, because that's the only thing that will wake them up. We've already tried logic and reason, and they don't respond, they just go back to sleep.

I'm still appalled how many bigwig Republicans went to Ken Lay's funeral and said that he was misunderstood and a scapegoat. They REALLY believe that.

I don't agree with a lot of the way our system works. For example, I'm angry that our property laws require that you be a mean son of a bitch, just to keep your own property. Or that you need to be hostile in order to take it over as a squatter. But that's the level that some people operate. They'll keep taking, until you finally stand up and say, no more. And that's due to our legal laws. That is what passes as normal in our society. There is no more civility, because civility is seen as a sign of weakness.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:47 PM
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35. I agree hate is negative ...
... but sometimes it goes with the anger.

Hate is evil when it's directed against the innocent, weak or vulnerable. But I don't lose sleep over its application to those who abuse their power or promote hate against such groups.

We'll be back to normal in a few days. And our little outpouring will remind us where we stand.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:43 PM
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32. I'm with you!
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 06:42 AM
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92. Anger is fine
having no real class is another. By railing on Falwell the way he condemned us means we have become like him.

Don't give the prick the satistaction.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:20 PM
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3. Fuck Falwell
He'd just as soon spit on the grave of any one of us. He preached hatred and lies, and got rich selling Jesus to biggots.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:21 PM
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5. And from taking money from the sick and feeble minded...n/t
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Left Hook Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:48 PM
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62. Piss on his grave, my ass.
I want his skull as a trophy of our victory. Has anyone ever heard of the legend of the Skull Collectors?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 02:51 AM
Response to Reply #62
84. What victory?
He was an old dude with a heart condition who had a coronary.

How is that a victory for us?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #84
106. Simple...he's dead and the world is better off for it.
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AAARRRGGGHHH Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:34 PM
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67. I could not have said it better myself
The death of that fat, hateful fuck made my day.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 02:39 AM
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83. And you strive to be like him?
Why would you want to do that?

Doesn't that just make you as bad as he would be?

A lefty freeper?
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:20 PM
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4. I agree, but sadly this was a very predictable response by numerous posters on DU
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:22 PM
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6. Sad but true.

Gloating at someone's death is despicable, no matter who and no matter why.

If you have nothing good to say about someone - as is likely to be the case with most DUers and Falwell - then let the family grieve in peace for a little while.

The amount of hatred that gets spewed on this site at the recently dead - not just Falwell - is absolutely sickening.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
22. What did you think of VE Day and VJ Day, as a matter of interest?
Edited on Tue May-15-07 05:38 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Civil wars are always more vicious than foreign wars. Left-wingers are always accused by right-wingers of wanting to engage in class warfare, when in fact all but the most double-died liars know that that war was fought and lost by the poor some decades ago.
And now their death throes are a subject of reproach to them by their persecutors, apparently as acts of war.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:28 PM
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65. I don't like "X day" for all values of X, but that's for different reasons.

I think that even when a sentiment is worth expressing, it's entirely devalued by having a day dedicated to it, but that's not relevant to this.

To answer the point I think you're trying to make, I am pleased that Falwell will not be promoting the political positions he used to do so, but that's a thousand miles from being glad he's dead, and a million from taking the opportunity to criticise him, justifiably or otherwise.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #65
98. Irrespective of the slaughter and mayhem a person may be responsible for?
Or is it a question of degree, and you consider Falwell at the lower end of the scale of wickedess, if at all?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #6
42. So you felt sorry that Hitler died?
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:27 PM
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55. As a matter of fact, I am sorry Hitler died as he did
Hitler should have lived to have been dragged in front of the world at Nuremberg, and tried as the monstrous example of what becomes of humans who lose their compassion. He took his own life in that bunker because that was exactly what he dreaded: to exposed as a megalomaniacal failure. It's symptomatic of people like that - uncaring narcissists - that he tried to arrange the destruction of Berlin as well.

I think it would have been instructive for all of us to see this man who fancied himself a god exposed for the sniveling wreck he really was.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:31 PM
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66. I didn't feel anything at all for 38 years after Hitler died...
I feel no grief at all for his death, or for that of Jerry Falwell, or for the death of almost anyone else I didn't know personally. What I do think is that when someone dies, you should either be positive about them or remain quiet for a little while to let their loved ones grieve.

Whether that applies to someone as extremely evil as Hitler is debateable - I think it probably shouldn't - but as no-one on a par with him has died, or lived, in my lifetime it's not an issue I feel the need to worry much about.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:14 PM
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113. simple, you reap what you sow
His family lived large on the venom he sowed. I feel no obligation to them. I did not celebrate his death, but I am glad he is gone. I pray his cohorts meet a less merciful end.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:23 PM
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8. This was a "man" who thought certain people deserved to die and incited others to murder...
Edited on Tue May-15-07 05:23 PM by kysrsoze
supposedly in the name of God. I think the best you can ask is for people not to comment.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #8
27. Heck, he sounds as bad as Robertson.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:23 PM
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9. And, by implication, so do you
Nice to have such a superior individual our midst. May we touch your robes?

While you're weeping for Falwell's family, maybe you could take a few guesses as to how they'll spend their inheritance. I wonder how many of Falwell's hateful causes they'll continue to support, or if they'll just use their wages of bigotry to party for the rest of their lives.

I'm gonna be awful shocked if any of it goes to the poor. Of course, you're far too classy to think about stuff like that.




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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:27 PM
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18. I am pleased to join Al Sharpton and Larry Flynt. You will undoubtedly be surprised when
you discover the others who know how to conduct themselves.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. you really think my honest anger at a true villain will drive more people away
than your supercilious, faux-pious bullshit?

The Democratic party is truly doomed.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:42 PM
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30. Yes. How many GOP voters have you convinced to vote Dem?
How many GOP voters registration have you changed? I have changed many and ran a political campaign that got a lot of GOP support.This kind of tactic drives them away.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:59 PM
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45. And you probably did it by kissing their right-wing ass
Lemme guess, give in on partial birth abortions? Don't push gay marriage? Or maybe you promised them some tax cuts.

No thanks. This is the worst kind of collaboration and I have no interest in it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. And you would be wrong! You might be surprised to know that many care about the enviornment and
abortion isn't a big issue with them! But hey you know best!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:15 PM
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50. So you're saying they weren't really hard-core right wingers like Falwell
Yeah, I've convinced a bunch of those "republicans" to switch parties. It was all me, really. It had nothing to do with the worst regime in the country's history, an illegal war of aggression, destruction of civil liberties, and unparalleled greed and corruption.

Now go to one of the 28% who still support this regime and convince them to vote Democratic. The ones who still think the war was a good idea. The ones who think gays are going to hell and that global warming is a hoax. That was who Falwell was, and the sooner these subhumans die off, the better.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:34 PM
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56. Depends on what you think are "right wingers' They consider themselves RW
Edited on Tue May-15-07 06:35 PM by saracat
and some still support the War if not Bush but whatever. And yes some are Evangelical. But not all are crazy.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Well, I consider myself to have class. I guess that's enough for you
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:59 PM
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68. +1 jgraz
For chrissakes, the Christian version of Osama bin Laden just died and people want us to get all respectful and sorrowful about it. Democrats can be so wimpy sometimes.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 10:10 PM
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72. "the Christian version of Osama bin Laden"
Nice. :thumbsup: :rofl:
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mr.alleycat Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #30
94. It works for
Lush Rimjob, and Hannity. Maybe the ones you turned were already tired of that kind of thing. I mean they just have to turn on Fox, or Beck.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #18
31.  Public figures live under a different set of standards
We have the freedom to express ourselves honestly.

I have held my tongue in the past about the death of other individuals.

Not this man. No way.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:24 PM
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10. Public people make nice publicly
There are the public statements, press releases, condolences, yada, yada

AND then there are the behind closed doors comments! Lord knows what they're really saying :evilgrin:

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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:25 PM
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11. but he was a hater
So of course, hating haters is okey dokey fun time. No hypocrisy here.

One more time now, RW hate is bad.

LW liberal hate is happy fun time A-OK and even a requirement. Makes us better people. And all that other bullshit that shows that both sides have a lot of people who just plain suck.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
44. Exactly!
You get it!

(I'm being sarcastic)

You'll never ever get it...
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:25 PM
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13. I WISH HIM A JOYFUL AFTER-LIFE























HOPE HE ENJOY HI 72 VIRGINS
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:26 PM
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17. He'll be servicing Richard M. Nixon in Hell's Watergate Suite
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #17
100. Hear, hear
As they both roast in the flames of eternal perdition, if there is a just and merciful god.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:25 PM
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14. Sharpton has class? ???
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:28 PM
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19. Apparently in this instance more than many on DU!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:35 PM
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23. Sharpton has no class.. Why should people pretend?
I grew up with great pretenders. It is not authentic. Life is short. Be authentic. Don't fake it

Falwell was a piece of shit. He harmed people

He was a self righteous sanctimonious money grubbing slug

Good riddance to smelly trash. May Robertson and the rest of the assholes soon follow him

Amen

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. Do us all a favor
and take your judgmental bloviating about "class" shove it up your ass. You want to lay flowers at some genocidal bigot's grave, go right ahead. Just quit pretending that it somehow makes you better than the rest of us.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
37. Absolutely.
Edited on Tue May-15-07 05:50 PM by durrrty libby
:toast: :toast: :toast:


:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #26
46. Thank you...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #26
108. A-fucking-men.
I feel terrible that I'm not using this golden opportunity to convert all those other bigots who might be offended that we're offended by a bigot.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:26 PM
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16. Oh Bull - Falwell sure fanned the flames of hatred against the Clintons
Edited on Tue May-15-07 05:27 PM by RamboLiberal
liberals and gays. He was not a man of God! I'm sure not shedding any tears today.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #16
101. "He was not a man of God" - Exactly!
He was evil and a hypocrite, among other unsavory things. I am not sorry he is gone, and I will not pretend to be, on this board or anywhere else!
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:31 PM
Original message
Do you know what they say in private?
This is a forum where people can say what they like under anonymous handles.

I don't dance on graves myself but you can't compare posts on DU to the public statements of public figures.

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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:31 PM
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20. you are seeing our left wing echo chamber at work. It fed on itself.

it will pass. We are letting off steam. Nobody deserved it more than him. don't worry about it.

I see it as a good sign. We have been politely getting our asses handed to us by the right for a long, long time. Maybe we are now ready to stand up and fight.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #20
38. What I'm seeing is human beings expressing their feelings.
That is not an echo-chamber, god damnit.

If this were a fucking echo-chamber, we wouldn't be having these fights today! :rofl:

Step away from the FOX news, cork! It's taking over your thought processes. :rofl:
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. Sorry, you didn't see my use of "Air Quotes" when I said "echo chamber"
Guess it sort of is like the sarcasm emoticon thingy, but that one has already been working too hard today.

:toast:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. FOX news made you forget the sarcasm emoticon!
Oh what the fuck, :toast:
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:35 PM
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24. Actually "most of DU" hasn't posted a word about Falwell
And most will continue to stay out of it entirely.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:36 PM
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25. I think that they'd see that there are all kinds of people who are liberals,
just like everywhere else.

Humans feel. Humans feel hate.

And yes, you are wrong. Feelings of hate are not exclusive to FR. And your post has zero power to create any actual feelings of love, unless of course someone happens to love a public spanking.

Hannity will make shit up if even if we don't give him anything. I will not live my life worrying about Hannity, as if he were an alcoholic daddy I had to keep from "going-off". Hannity, who is soon to be part of a huge trash heap in history is a hopeless fuckwad.

Fuck him.

If you want children to lecture, go get some. If you got some, go get yourself some more.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:41 PM
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28. You know what?
Edited on Tue May-15-07 05:41 PM by depakid
I don't really give a SHIT about what the likes of Hannity have to say.

If anyone thinks for one second that any behavior one way or another would affect how fundies think or feel- if you think they'd EVER be persuaded to consider progressive positions, well- I'll have to say that's naive.

One more thing- do you really think Larry Flynt was being honest in his public statement(s)?



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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:45 PM
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33. What a load of crap!
Who gives a fuck what Hannity thinks?

I wish that mutherfucker would die too!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:47 PM
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34. Lol.
That was funny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it SHOULDN'T be, but it fucking bloody well was.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:07 PM
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102. Hee!
I won't cry when that gasbag bites it, either.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:47 PM
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109. That's the spirit!
:toast:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:48 PM
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36. Thank you. Anyone is certainly welcome to rip me to shreds...
but I'm more than a little weary of the accusations of sanctimony and self-righteousness against those who find the glee just a wee bit over the top. I don't think I'm better than anyone else just because I am disgusted with some of the comments I have seen here today. This has become utterly ridiculous.

I don't hate Falwell. I never did. I despised his perspective and detested his vitriol. I found his brand of Christianity unfaithful and dangerous. I'm relieved his voice is now silent. But I can certainly appreciate that he left friends and family behind who are grieving. Good night, if Freepers are half as delirious when I pass I know I'll have done a good job.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:02 PM
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47. Now it's my turn to get sanctimonious...
Edited on Tue May-15-07 06:12 PM by Kurovski
Watch over thirty people die-off from AIDS, watch your history slowly disappear at the age of twenty-nine, listen to assholes like Falwell flap on about AIDS and decide to bid him a fond farewell.

I do not want ANY OTHER asshole like him to think he can pull the shit he pulled and then get any respect ever, FROM THE MOMENT OF HIS FUCKING MISERABLE DEATH, until the end of human history.

Enough of this shit. All this goddam talk about karma...well what in the fuck do you think this is?

It's the PAYBACK folks. It's the KARMA folks.

Falwell did a good job, yes he did. And that's the point, really.

I don't give a shit about his family, who will carry on the family business of religious-political nutjobbery and thievery. The little grandkids have no business on DU, but my condolences to the kids. Don't follow in grampa's footsteps. Humanity will despise you.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:16 PM
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52. I'm having a hard time finding a heart arrest at his age...
being Karma. It's not payback, it's just an old fart dying.

And why the hell is everyone assuming I have no experience with watching friends die of AIDS simply because I'm refraining from joining the party?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:25 PM
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54. The ANGER is the KARMA.
The legacy is the karma.

The circle is completed for Jerry. It is done. Done.

It is not a party, it is catharsis.

You feel no need for a catharsis, and I can respect that.



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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:55 PM
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40. Oh get the fuck over it!
"They" will find an excuse to hate us no matter what we do or say...

Besides - these are public figures, WE are not...

And last time I looked - this was a free country and all - supposedly...
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:56 PM
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41. Sorry, I have hated this bastard for the last 27 years
I'm not going to hide my joy that he is finally off this planet. He hurt a lot of people. He wasn't the worst of them, however.

If I manage to outlive Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, my shouts of joy will be all the louder.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:08 PM
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103. Agreed!
"I'm not going to hide my joy that he is finally off this planet. He hurt a lot of people."

Yes, he did. And pretending otherwise would be harmful and stupid.
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:13 PM
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49. It must be remembered that Falwell was a dangerous and powerful man.
I'm trying my hardest to keep from making disrespectful comments about all this, and I truly feel for his family and loved ones, but honestly, this is one time when I can't get mad at the disrespectful among us either.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:17 PM
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53. k & r
Edited on Tue May-15-07 06:29 PM by darboy
I choose not to sink to the level of the man who has died.

I choose not to become what I hated about him.

I choose to be BETTER.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:34 PM
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57. Thank you .Beautiful post!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 01:39 PM
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99. What an extraordinary thing to say. Not setting your standard very high, are you?
Edited on Thu May-17-07 02:08 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
I find some of the visceral expressions of hatred here raise questions concerning the posters themselves, but, in principle, that someone who lent his endeavours to such wicked enterprises as the far right engage in to the wholesale detriment of others, should be regarded as anathema, doesn't strike me as at all inappropriate. In this context I find it interesting that Jesus should have referred to Herod as "that old fox".

What is more, if Herod had predeceased Jesus and Jesus overheard someone rejoicing at his death, in the context, I doubt if he would have bothered to reproach him for it - still less compared his action with Herod's habitual behaviour. Keeping a sense of proportion is important. Jesus spent almost all his time vehemently excoriating the monied, respectable religious leaders, who so wickedly extorted from the poor, what little they had, "swallowing up the property of widows".

Some people on here expressed surprise that President Jimmy Carter commented somewhat acerbicly on Falwell's demise. They would not have done so, were they familiar Dr Hunter S Thompson's account of a speech President Carter gave (as a guest!!) to an assembly of Southern Judges.

I don't know anyone, apart from Jesus that is, capable of such withering invective as Hunter S, yet he was clearly totally in awe of the white-hot diatribe President Carter was able to deliver to that dumb-founded audience of respectable monsters, who had invited him presumably, as what they considered a harmless Mr Nice Guy. I remember one foul dereliction on their part was their failure to give redress to a poor black lady, unable to read or write, who was palpably tricked out of property she owned.
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Brassballs Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:37 PM
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58. Hear Hear .. EOM
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:40 PM
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59. Ummm, BULL.
I have already said here that those who love him will mourn him, as they should. But, really, I am not concerned about how I appear in relation to the other side. I have to answer to myself, and myself alone.

It is worthwhile when someone as influential as Falwell dies to look at what he did in life, at the actions and statements that brought him to prominence. Falwell fostered a point of view that is pernicious in a democracy.

You can call it hate if you want. I call it critical judgment (as opposed to what Falwell exercised). He had a tremendous influence on politics, as well as a tremendous influence on the choices of those in power. We ("the people") have a right to stand in judgment of him -- not in a religious sense, but in the sense of him as an actor in national politics.

I have an EXTREMELY low opinion of Falwell, but I don't feel the need to qualify it as "hate." That is the shorthand that the right uses whenever they don't like what we are saying. It goes beyond something as simplistic as "hate." The man had a negative influence on the national discourse. I have zero respect for him because of it.

Calling that hate is oversimplifying the issue. He deserves criticism, dead or alive. And he WILL be judged in history.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:45 PM
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61. Is that you, mom? .. n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:51 PM
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111. Even Mom has a hard time mustering up this level of guilt inducing crap.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:02 PM
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63. "We have just given ammunition to the hateful Hannity"
Hate to tell you this, but just being liberal is "ammunition" for Hannity. Why pander to him?

Besides, even if we praised him to high heaven, he would just make something up.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 08:24 PM
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69. That is one guy I don't give a shit about. I can't spend 5 minutes
watching him. He is such a blow-hard
He should be scraping shit off a cement floor somewhere.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 06:20 AM
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90. We definitely have given him ammunition.
You should have heard him yesterday on the radio. He said he read the comments made here about Falwell. He said we were vile and disgusting.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:30 PM
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114. so, er , nothing new
I am so scared of what Hannity says
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:07 PM
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64. Well, lah-dee-freakin' dah.
P.S. Hey Hannity -- Bite Me!
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 08:55 PM
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70. This piece of human garbage didn't give a happy shit about the "christian" principles he pretended
to be preach, and he certainly didn't mind bilking those too stupid to see through his charade out of their money. He was a cancer on society and the world is no less better off without him in it than we were told the world is without Saddam. And if I gave a shit about what Hannity thought, I certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to let it be known. My only regret in his demise is that he didn't take Pat Robertson with him.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 08:58 PM
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71. Fuck Falwell n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 10:51 PM
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73. I feel for ya...I just can't reach.
Go to bed feeling good about how you defended a monster though.

If we're going to go around feeling all superior and shit...

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 12:20 AM
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74. Spare us your misplaced outrage. I am glad Falwell is dead. I only regret that he wasn't joined by
the other charlatans and peddlers of religious smut like Dobson and Robertson.

Screw his family! His son is following his disgusting father into the same ministry of bigotry and intolerance.

You wouldn't criticize someone for dancing on Hitler's grave, or Torquemada's. Falwell was a Baptist version of Torquemada, and he enabled the American Hitler, George W. Bush.

I curse all of them, the fathers that impregnated their mothers, and the women that gave them birth.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 12:34 AM
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75. *rolls his eyes*
This happens every time .... and you know it ....

DUers are first, human beings ... they are frail, weak and unable to shake their human foibles ....

But you already knew this .... Didnt you ?

Didnt you leave in disgust a few months ago ? .... for something similar ?

I am not justifying it, in fact, I have not even entered those threads ... But we should expect a certain amount of ugly venting whenever a prominent figure passes on, especially one who promoted such a vitriolic worldview ...

Reagan got the same thing ....

Is it right ? .... not really ...

Will it pass soon ? .... yes it will ...

Will we leave and never come back ? ..... no ... we wont ....

I do not expect idealistic perfection when I come here ... I am not disappointed ....
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:01 AM
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76. Why are you categorizing us Sara?

I just logged on here and I had no idea WTF you're talking about.

I did a quick scan of the board, and my screen shows about 80 threads at a time.

So I did a quick highlight check, and out of the 80 or so threads on the page.. there are only 3.. count 'em .. THREE that even mention Jerry Falwell.


And out of those three, none of them were very popular threads. No flames on any of them. They weren't even newsworthy enough to become "hot topics".

So why complain?

Reverend Sharpton didn't spend his lifetime spewing hatred and trying to create a one-party "cater to us" system.

But if God forbid, we had lost the good Reverend, I can guarantee you the freepers would be having field day with disgusting, nasty comments.


If not everyone is in mourning, isn't it easy for you to understand why? Mr. Flawell was not a man with love in his heart for all mankind, nor a man with a desire to help the poor and helpless.

So people will have varying opinions of how he chose to live his life.

But it's not good to categorize DU'ers. We think for ourselves around these parts.







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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:31 AM
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78. Excuse me Larissa.Onthe greatest page alone there are 35 Falwell threads!
The majority of wish are vicious celebration. I am not categorizing anyone but I am expressing chagrin at what I see. I thought DU would be above this.I am certainly not in mourning for this despicable individual but neither will I celebrate the death of anyone. Sorry but I was raised to believe that this is classless behavior and very poor manners to say the least.And before I am jumped, yes I do believe manner count and a little courtesy is expected. Some of the responses to this thread make it very clear that I was not incorrect in my assumption about some. But whatever.I too think for myself and I think some reactions have been rude and vulgar as well as inappropriate.That is my opinion.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:39 AM
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79. And knowing nothing about me you feel you have the right to judge me?
I am not allowed to make alleged judgements but you are?
As I am a feminist and someone who lost her very best friend to Aids as well as several of the most talented people in my company to this disease, I have spent more of my time at besides of dying friends than you could imagine. Falwell also blamed we feminists and talked of destroying our rights as well.I assure you I do NOT mourn him but I will not decend to the level of those we oppose and denigrate myself by behaving like a fool.
Your rhetoric does nothing to establish credibility for your cause. I am sorry for your losses and I weep for my own but mouthing uncouth ephitants at strangers on the internet and celebrating the death of another being, no matter how awful they were in life, will not right injustice , or bring our loved ones back.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:50 AM
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81. But Sara -- you were judging us. That's my only point.

I only partake in the DU/Politics section and occassionally the Alaska and Montana sections.

I don't go to any of the other sections of the forum here.. You don't have to. You can set the board up anyway you want.

I never see the "most popular" page or whatever it was you called it, and I don't really care to.

I just don't think that anyone at DU should be categorized.

Not all of us are the same. And if someone on DU acted unfavorably to you, I just think it's unfair to toss the comment in the "most of you DU'ers" pile you've created.

Whatever. Signing out.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 02:16 AM
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82. I don't think you understood my post.
Don't misconstrue my arguments. I am not saying that you didn't suffer.

But, I did judge your post.

I saw someone who doesn't understand how much pain Falwell has inflicted. I saw someone who believes that being respectful to someone who fought against every civil right we, as gays, have made. I

But, even as a feminist, you can at least talk to your family. You don't have to fear getting beaten because of a glance. You didn't live your life hoping that one day God would "fix" you. You didn't live your entire existence believing that you had no hope; that you were destined for hell and there was nothing you could do about it.

You didn't live your entire life hating yourself.

I am celebrating his death as one would celebrate the removal of a tumor. He desecrated the value of human life, dignity, rights and safety, as well as slandering God with each bigoted statement.

And you want to say he doesn't deserve contempt?

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 01:43 AM
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80. Democrats must get tough
If one of our own died they would be out there with the insults and exagerated claims. This kind of attack politics has worked for them and even though it is against our better instincts it must be done. Give them no quarter, Attack attack attack! He was a creep, let's tell it like it is!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 04:49 AM
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87. It would seem what you are really saying is that Dems must become freepers
Thanks, but no.

Beating up on a dead dude isn't my idea of "getting tough".


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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 02:57 AM
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85. Falwell was our enemy.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 04:19 AM
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86. I agree . . . many here sound like adolescent punks . . . very unbecoming . . . n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 05:14 AM
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88. So now we're worse than the other side? Why do you stay here?
Don't know about Sharpton, but you are obviously not familiar with Flynt's publications or his past. Hustler made it's name on two things, graphic displays of vaginas and spewing the most distasteful, over-the-top, hatred in a national magazine.

Of course now that Larry's getting nearer to his own expiration date, he's trying to create a veneer of respectability for his posterity, but he's still just a low-class leach.


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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 05:54 AM
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89. I guess your not a homosexual, a pagan or had an abortion
Because according to the POS people like these along with the ACLU are responsible for 9-11
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 06:24 AM
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91. Whole world tries not to dance and sing
Since when is hypocrisy "class"? If you're not glad this man is dead, you're a sociopath.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:37 PM
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116. welcome to DU Perry
good post
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:05 AM
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93. Falwell faux-religious mission was to HURT people and pollute minds
How his legacy is kicked around in the gutter like leftover bones from a monster that attacked a village. His message to the World was no better than what David Duke's message is ... or Pat Robertson's ... or any other charlatan that made a LOT of money preying on the poor, the well-meaning...

Jerry Falwell's main legacy is that somehow being Christian means being mean, being hateful, being homophobic and worse, being Republican. His "Moral Majority" leadership brought about much pain in the World...all while daring to use Jesus Christ as a tool to get the money, get the votes, get the hateful message out...

You can bet that Jesus Christ would spit on his face and condemn him as a lost soul. The problem with Falwell is that he would probably not even see what damage he has done. He'd be like an unremorseful serial killer.




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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:46 AM
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95. Some folks just have too much class ...
Edited on Wed May-16-07 07:46 AM by Everybody
to express sympathy for the devil's advocates.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:58 AM
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96. Fuck class
When have they ever showed class? "Class" will lose Democrats the election. The notion that behaving with "class" gets you anywhere should be long dead. Fight is what wins, and commitment, and not being afraid to voice contentious views in a forthright manner. Enough of genteel politics, it just means four more years. These are not genteel times.
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:10 PM
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104. When, exactly, was I supposed to be on my best behavior lest Sean Hannity be offended?
His very existence is a far greater obscenity than anything I could ever say about Falwell.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:41 PM
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105. Yes mom.
Guilt trip much?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:44 PM
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107. Falwell was a Christian Fascist. Would it show "class" to express
sympathy to the family of Hitler or Mussolini over the deaths of their sons? Explain
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 02:49 PM
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110. I agree
That can be taken two ways, but I agree.

:evilgrin:
rocknation
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:08 PM
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112. You were expecting them to go on TV and say, "Fuck Falwell"?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 03:36 PM
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115. Actually, knowing Larry Flynt, um, Yes. Yes I would expect that.
Although, this makes just as much sense. But the only reason he's being concilliatory and kind is to cheese off all of Falwell's followers.
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