Ron Paul vs. Giuliani on the Root Causes of Terrorism

[SHRED]

Ron Paul is the "sane" one here, however,,,
Guiliani is the one that gets the most Faux/Republican applause.
Ron Paul speaks the truth and all the liars quake, fidget, and get anxious.
This really highlights the depth of brainwashing that is happening via FOX Noise, the mainstream broadcast media, the Republican Party, and, I fear, the ignorant masses of our country.

Watch this:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/15/ron-paul-vs-giuliani-on-the-root-causes-of-terrorism/


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[pberq]

1. Ron Paul is great!

[primative1]

2. 100% Correct ..

It looks like Paul held his ground well. Sadly, I got bored by that point in the debate and had shut down, but I just watched it now and Paul did very well. That has been my exact position for decades.

thanks for the link

[iamahaingttta]

3. Ouch!

Obviously, Ron Paul has no intention of actually getting elected president.
Too bad, I might have voted for him, under the right circumstances.

And Rudy?
You're a moisent bint!
You're a lying fascist scumwad demagogue, who will say any stupid thing you can to get elected.
You prey on the emotions of the braindead, and the frightened.
You know better, and you should be ashamed of yourself!

"As someone who lived through 9/11..."
Fuck you Rudy, I lived through 9/11 also.
I watched those towers fall with my own two eyes.
And before I even had a chance to turn on the TV that day, I KNEW that it was blowback!
You did too, you lying piece of shit!

[sabbat hunter]

13. ron paul is a libertarian

he wants to dismantle SS, medicaid, medicare, etc. end all gun laws

not someone i would ever vote vore

[iamahaingttta]

15. Yeah, I know...

I suppose the "right circumstances" would be if he were running against Satan, or Dick Cheney.

[sabbat hunter]

23. well that depends

what are Satan's stand on abortion, SS, Medicare?

[zbdent]

4. Stephanie Miller is pointing out that, on Faux, a text-poll on who won the debate

had Paul overwhelmingly winning it ...

Faux viewers! Imagine that ... faux viewers saying that an anti-war candidate won the debate ... ya think Fox is out of touch with America?

[slipslidingaway]

5. K&R. We should help get this message out IMO.

"They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free," Paul said. "They attack us because we're over there."

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Giuliani_Suggestion_911_was_invited_absurd_0515.html


from the C&L link.

"When asked if 9/11 changed the American foreign policy model to "interventionalism," Rep. Ron Paul answered that it was our pre-9/11 interventionalism — and the "blowback" that ensued — that was to blame for terrorism and the 9/11 attacks. This prompted Rudy Giuliani, who maintains like George Bush that they "hate us for our freedoms," to jump in and demand Paul retract his "absurd" statement.

This is a fundamental question that Republicans — George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani especially — simply don't understand. They don't "hate us for our freedoms." Not that it any way excuses Bin Laden from leading these horrible attacks on the U.S, but it's simplistic and dishonest to state that it's solely an irrational hatred of our society. Here's what Michael Scheuer, the former station chief of the CIA's Osama Bin Laden task force, has to say:

Osama Doesn't Hate Our Freedom: The fundamental flaw in our thinking about Bin Laden is that "Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than what we do." Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands. It's American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society.

How is the United States threatening Muslim lands? The post-9/11 crackdowns on Muslim charities have effectively ended tithing, which is one of the five pillars of Islam; our casual denunciations of "jihad" sneer at a central tenet of the Muslim faith. America supports corrupt anti-Muslim governments in Uzbekistan and China, "apostate" governments in the Middle East, and the new Christian state of East Timor. And, above all, it continues to house occupying forces in Iraq and Afghanistan."


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Giuliani_Suggestion_911_was_invited_absurd_0515.html

"They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free," Paul said. "They attack us because we're over there."

[pberq]

7. I say they do understand it, but don't care

This is a fundamental question that Republicans — George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani especially — simply don't understand. They don't "hate us for our freedoms."

[slipslidingaway]

10. You are correct, they do not care and they have the major media

to spread their lies. For now Ron Paul is able to present another view to the people of the consequences of our foreign policy and needs support as the Republicans will try and bury his view.

[slipslidingaway]

6. The Roots and Consequences of U.S. Overseas Imperialism

posted by DU's Time for change

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=708887&mesg_id=708887

[Bullet1987]

8. Actually if you watch it over...

Ron Paul got a small applause when he was talking...but Guiliani's was bigger.

[slipslidingaway]

12. Do you agree with Giuliani or with Paul on this issue?

[primative1]

22. But who would Hillary agree with ?

Guess people know the answer but would rather not think about it...

[slipslidingaway]

24. Very true, do not ask the question if you know you will not like

the answer. Not just Hillary though, most candidates are silent on the issue of past interventions???

[CTD]

9. I waded into Freep-Land

Wow.

But check out post #76 on page 2 of this thread. Sanity. I wonder how long until he gets banned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834319/posts?q=1&;page=51

[Byronic]

11. It was an annoying incident.

It was almost as if Ron Paul was the christian in an auditorium full of rather hungry lions who had missed lunch. As soon as he made his point, Giuliani leapt in with great relish to brandish his 'security credentials' and play the tough guy. He took 30 seconds to knaw on the christian's leg. Paul, who to his credit, seemed unfazed by the outcry, again attempted to explain his point of view, at which point Giuliani again tried to take another 30 seconds. The other candidates (all 61 of them), quite rightly, refused to accept this. It was as if Giuliani was the only person who was allowed to comment on 9/11, and national security.

It will be like this in the general election. If (by some chance) Giuliani gets the Republican nomination he will wield 9/11 like Abraham Van Helsing wields a crucifix. Nauseating.

Last night he had three stock answers, no matter what the question was:

(a) 9/11
(b) I like Ronald Reagan
(c) Abortion.....um....you must want the guy next to me

At least Ron Paul made things interesting.

[pberq]

14. Thom Hartmann - just saying that Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich

would be an ideal matchup - then we would have a real debate on the issues

[Bullet1987]

16. I definently don't think Paul was unfazed by the crowd...

...I think this is something where he should have had strict evidence on hand to throw back at Guiliani to shut his trap. He mentioned the CIA and blowback, but he didn't elaborate on it...and like you said, Guiliani interrupted him. We're into 2 debates, and the pundits and talking heads are already trying to kick him out of the race! Talk about CENSORSHIP!!!

[slipslidingaway]

19. How much evidence can one present in 30 seconds. He was

able to throw out ideas for people to research and come to their own conclusions. I thought his rebuttal was fine given the lack of time.

[slipslidingaway]

18. Now that I would love to see. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

17. Ron Paul Should be Disinvited from the Next Debate!

"Ron Paul Should be Disinvited from the Next Debate!

Plus he should be expelled from the Republican Party! Plus he should have his medical license revoked!"


Edit to add link and author of above quote

John Podhoretz

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Yjc5NmU1Y2MxYTZjNWY3ZTc0NGM0NDA1NDEyOGFiMTQ=


Will he soon be silenced?

[BlueStater]

20. Anyone else sick of Ghouliani saying "I lived through 9/11"?

We all lived through 9/11, Rudy, you egotistical ass. Just because you were in New York at the time doesn't suddenly make you a spokesperson for the tradegy. Get over yourself.

[Byronic]

21. Yep, I'm with you BlueStater

Why doesn't he just wear a T-Shirt with that emblazoned on it.

It would save time.