Hillary - "Can't commit".

[BobRossi]

As if it wasn't obvious enough that she hasn't the stomach to be a leader:

"WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton voted Wednesday to advance legislation cutting off money for the
Iraq war, then refused to pledge to support the measure if it came to a vote, then said she would."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_iraq_5;_ylt=AiiNxGo5zW0Sfx4vQKSxOGoE1vAI

[donheld]

1. She'd better support it if it comes to a vote, otherwise

they'll say she voted for it before she voted against it.

[luckyleftyme2]

2. the right is active

Have we learned nothing from 2000 and 2004;this kind of cheap shot has defeated this party to many times.
Are we turning into a country of no hope? lets not tear down our candidates. we haven't even had the primaries yet.I'd like to see a large field to choose from.
To divide is to conquer and the right does this well;lets not help them.
Look what they done to Dean and Gore look at what we got for president and how he's run this country to the ground.
no matter who we elect in 2008 we don't want it to be a republican!

[BobRossi]

5. Yeah...

Let's just stick our heads in the sand and remain blind to the shortcomings of our elected officials... wait isn't that what the right does?

[BlameCanada12]

9. To this Canuck, this sums up exactly what is wrong with the

Democratic party and their supporters. You always blame someone or something else for your failures. How is the 'right' to blame if the Democrats run an undesirable candidate? I just don't buy the notion that you should vote for 'party' and not the person. What difference does it make if Hillary has a 'd' or an 'r' next to her name if her views and that of her opponents are virtually the same?
Remember the optimism and victory party after the elections in '06? How has that worked out for you? Are you not disappointed with the Democrats sitting on their hands while this criminal organization continues to rape and pillage your treasury as well as Iraq?

[Tellurian]

12. It's not ALL of the Democratic Party, it's the idiots in the Democratic party..

who stay up nights thinking of ways to smear the people who are actually trying to get things done! When have they ever had a candidate that won an election to high office? They can't even make a majority at the municipal level never mind at the state level.

[Norquist Nemesis]

22. LOL! Ever heard of the Circular Firing Squad?

"Always" just isn't the case. As far as the optimism and victory party of '06...it's working pretty well, IMO. Especially given the fact that it's been just four months.

One thing GWB and Rove taught us is that is DOES matter whether there is an "R" or "D": Subpoena Power and Judicial Appointments are just a couple of things that come to mind. That said, I'd only give it another six to nine months max before locking the Caucus door to Lieberman.

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. It's not just that they're active though

It's their ability to run around spewing false mischaractizations and lies that then get echoed through the machine. Did you happen to catch Matthews go off on Jack Kingston last night? It was one of those (rare) times on Hardball that is a must see! LOL!

[Missy M]

3. I think it's smart not to speculate on what you might vote in the...

future. She said she voted to bring the issue to debate. She also has the stomach to be a leader, probably the strongest stomach of all the candidates.

[wyldwolf]

6. Right ... here is her full quote

“I’m not going to speculate on what I’ll be voting on in the future,” she told reporters this afternoon. “I voted in favor of cloture to have a debate and we were successful.”

“It may or may not ever come up again as a vote, because obviously we didn’t do better than 29 votes,” she said. “To some extent, this is like dancing on a head of a pin.”

[wyldwolf]

4. Of course, Obama's statement sounds as though John Kerry wrote it

he voted for the Reid-Feingold Iraq war defunding measure to "send a strong statement" to President George W. Bush, but added that cutting off funds isn't the "best answer." :eyes:

[karynnj]

15. Maybe you should look at Kerry's own statement

rather than indirectly hitting him. Here it is from Kerry.senate.gov.

"Today's votes are an important step forward. Even Republicans concede that the Bush Iraq policy must change. We've made it clear that if this President will not change a deadly and dangerous course, Congress will provide the leadership to force his hand.

"Last year, Senator Feingold and I stood with 11 Senators for a firm one year deadline to force the Iraqis to find a political solution and redeploy our troops. The number of Democratic and Republican Senators who agree that we must have benchmarks and timelines, continues to grow. Our troops have done their job in Iraq. Now it's time for the President to listen to Congress and our generals, change course and redeploy our troops. We must hold Iraqis accountable, and insist on a policy equal to our soldiers' sacrifice."


In fact, Obama's statement is at least clear compared to:
"“I voted in favor of cloture to have a debate and we were successful.” The cloture vote was to close debate and go to a vote not "to have a debate" and they lost. This is pure spin and blatantly implies that it was not serious.

[wyldwolf]

16. I was referring to "I voted for the war before I voted against it."

[blm]

19. That's a RW lie - Kerry voted FOR a funding bill that was ACCOUNTABLE for the

way the 87 billion dollars was spent. He voted AGAINST a version of that funding bill that had NO ACCOUNTABILITY for the WH.

Wouldn't you?

BTW - you should know that ALL senators and congressmen vote for or against a version of a bill before they vote against or for the opposing version.

The RW mediaspin shouldn't be reified by Democrats.

[wyldwolf]

20. That is pretty accurate and actual quote from John Kerry

“I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.”

[blm]

25. You chose to adopt the RW spin to mock Kerry for doing what ANY senator

does - vote for one version of a bill they prefer before they vote against one they don't want.

How would YOU have voted? Would you have voted for BOTH bills?

[wyldwolf]

26. It is an exact quote from Kerry. But if he'd only fought back!

[blm]

27. The quote's fine - you are wrong for pretending the RW characterization of it

has enough integrity for a Democrat to repeat it in the same spin vein and for the same purpose.

[wyldwolf]

28. if Kerry had just fought back, we wouldn't be in this mess!

[MH1]

31. Just FULL of RW spin today, huh? n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

7. Sen. Clinton is paraphrased in that paragraph. One should read the entire article, the quotes are

much different than the AP (who else) writer would have one believe. MKJ

[Alamom]

8. Nice little

SPIN .....

[Tellurian]

10. What Spin! She's always wanted to get the troops home..

Her latest addition is 'cutting off funding' the War-

What I see that has changed is the public's understanding and support of CUTTING OFF FUNDING for the War. The Republicans were using the 'cutting off funding' as a tool against the democrats as not supporting the Troops. The public finally gets it- and are now calling for Congress to STOP the flow of money to fund the War.

[illinoisprogressive]

11. her army of consultants weren't there to put their fingers in the air for her.

[wyldwolf]

13. Nor were Barrack "I'm for defunding the war but not cutting off funds" Obama's

[karynnj]

17. It is wrong to put in quotes things not actually said

Unless of course you are auditioning to be the next Maureen Dowd.

I agree that neither Obama or Hillary have been in the forefront on the effort to move the country against the war. People who have been are Feingold and Kerry, who pushed the issue when it was not popular last year and changed opinions and Reid, who as majority leader joined them. Dodd, who signed on as a co-sponsor, when this bill was not supported by most of the country a month ago should get some credit. It was also good that Clinton, Obama and Biden jumped in. (Edwards would have done better to unambiguously supported this from the beginning instead of bashing Democrats in the Senate, but he does get credit for publicly backing it in the end.)

[wyldwolf]

18. Tell that to the OP

[Tellurian]

14. ...

self delete

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

30. BTW, IP, I've seen you criticize every Dem candidate, although you've had kind words of a couple of

R's who are running.

Are the any Dem candidates that you might support? :shrug: MKJ

[SaveElmer]

32. Or ..."NO LOBBYIST MONEY"

(unless its from their wives, or they are state lobbyists...oh hell I'll just hire them)

[William769]

21. Why not put the whole quote up?

Oh wait we know why. :eyes:

[Clark2008]

24. Yawn.

She won't be elected anyway, so it really doesn't matter to any of us not represented by her as senator.

[rinsd]

29. Oh look its selective quoting!

"I support the underlying bill," she said. "That's what this vote on cloture was all about."

And shockingly her position is roughly the same as her top rivals.

She just hasn't apologized for her vote. Not that various jackals would give a shit.